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LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:32 pm

LH announced today the start of a 3 weekly service to Shenyang and Qingdao in China:

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...2011/november/22/article/2034.html

the Schedule is as follows:

LH784 FRA2215 – 1430+1SHE1550+1 – 1720+1TAO 343 135
LH785 TAO2105 – 2245SHE0015+1 – 0530+1FRA 343 246
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:36 pm

LH to TAO, both ironic and very belated
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:48 pm

This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.

And with German origins, as Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau, which still shows in the architecture.
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:01 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau

these two facts maybe related
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:21 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
these two facts maybe related

I am sure you are correct. Qingdao used to be called Tsingtao and the local beer, which is exported worldwide, is named after the city. For 33 years up until 1949, Qingdao was a colony of Germany and Japan and today the city still retains a great amount of European architecture.

Apparently Qingdao is a beautiful city. Hopefully LH's new service will put this interesting but little-known city on the tourist trail.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:39 pm

The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:06 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):

This new service must replace the FRA-CAN route which is being axed from the end of March. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.

in fact, the aircraft used for this new flight comes from the axed FRA-CAN route.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):

The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?

I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:12 pm

Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:16 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
Didn't LH do Shenyang previously as a tag? I have a dim recollection of them launching it a couple of years ago and then pulling it ( or is my not-so-early onset dementia showing again).

I believe it was a tag-on for the MUC-ICN route... Leveraging the larger FRA hub may be a better bet this time around.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:20 pm

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
I believe it was a tag-on for the MUC-ICN route

thanks, now that you mention it that sounds like what I was thinking of. Glad to see that I haven't lost all of my marbles ( yet).
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:50 pm

correct, SHE was served via ICN ex MUC. If I'm not mistaken there is a BWM plant and that was the targeted customer group at that times.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:02 pm

Axe CAN and add these less important cities? I don't get it!
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:41 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 12):
Axe CAN and add these less important cities? I don't get it!

I think it's safe to presume that LH can't make CAN work as CZ is expanding and SkyTeam is cementing its presence at the largest hub of one of its members. So why not try some smaller cities where LH and Star can cement their presence, right?

The choice of SHE though is puzzling: it's a CZ focus city, unless they intend to focus more on O/D traffic or, also likely, on connection opportunities via Frankfurt.

[Edited 2011-11-22 13:44:17]
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:48 pm

Its great to see European airlines flying to "secondary" cities in China.

I know that AF and KL have already started flying to cities like XMN, CTU and soon to be WUH.

BA will follow when some aircrafts free up.
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:08 pm

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 6):
The aircraft seems to have quite a bit of layover in TAO though, not sure if maintenance facility is available for an A340 there?

What? 1720 to 2105 is hardly a long layover!
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:33 pm

Quoting deconz (Reply 15):
What? 1720 to 2105 is hardly a long layover!

ahh well, almost 4 hours, maybe they can schedule for something to happen there, maybe to clean the outside of the a/c in a cheaper place?
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:02 am

The flight from Seoul used to leave at very early like 5:30am. Shenyang is (apart from what LH said) also the centre of an energy province and has I am told they have the largest open cast coal mine in the world. I have asked many times can I go and see it and the answer is no. During the past few years when the export factories down south were going through hard times this area has done well with exports of energy especially to Russia. A stable and prosperous economy, which may need lots of German technology to keep expanding, could be another reason why these flights are being added. I visit there several times a year and it is expanding.

[Edited 2011-11-22 16:45:56]
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:25 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 14):
Its great to see European airlines flying to "secondary" cities in China.

I know that AF and KL have already started flying to cities like XMN, CTU and soon to be WUH.

I hope someone start flying to Shenzhen soon. Flying to Hong Kong and then go to Shenzhen takes time.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:40 am

At some point some of these "smaller" Chinese cities will be a hit. When is the question. I don't think now is the answer.

Both of these have 8+ million metro areas per Wiki - 5 million "urban" for SHE and 3 million for TAO.


Per some wiki data:
SHE has the 11th largest urban population, 17th largest GDP, and 35th largest GDP per capita.
TAO has the 28th largest urban, 11th largest GDP, and 24th largest GDP per capita.
CAN has has 4th largest urban population, 4th largest GDP, and 7th largest GDP per capita.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):
I assume the long layover is because of the nightcurfew in FRA until 5am.

Fair enough, but also it is not so desirable to get at destination before 5 AM! And for those connecting, it would be an unnecessary long time until connections leave. Plus, 4 hrs layover is pretty standard. It can be made shorter if need be, but there's nothing exceptional about it.
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:42 am

we shouldn't forget the cargo demand as well
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:13 am

Qingdao is a beautiful city, with interesting architecture from the German's. Shandong Province also has a large pop, something like 98m, so plenty to go for. TAO has intl flight to Japan, Korea, Taiwan and HKG at present. There are also some large manufacturers around Qingdao, Haier for one. The quality of products from the Qingdao area is also high, we have most of our kit made there and assemble in Suzhou (why Suzhou I do not know, not my decision!!).

LH have made a wise decision, they have the South covered with HKG, and the transport links from HKG into China are very easy.

CI fly their 340's into TAO. 330's of KE, Dragonair, Sichuan and others are regular, so widebody Airbus cover will not be a problem. EVA send their 744's mostly.
 
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 4):
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 2):
. In am surprised that LH's press release makes no mention of the fact that Qingdao is a main centre of the Chinese brewing industry.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
Qingdao used to be a German concession similar to Hong Kong / Macau

these two facts maybe related

Mh... LH starting up this route might be a good excuse to finally check out my 1920's Chinese ancestry....
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:03 am

Wow, I definitely got this one wrong. I thought we wouldn't see a European carrier in TAO for a loooong time. As a former resident of Qingdao, I'm happy for the folks there, though I'd've wished they'd started the route a few years ago while I was still living there.

However, we shouldn't conflate the fact that QD was a German colony with LH starting this route. Outside of architecture and the awesome brewery, Germany has little remaining influence in the area stemming largely from the fact that Qingdao just wasn't a colony for that long (only about thirty years). This route is starting because of Qingdao's large number of manufacturing and corporate interests (like, as col said, Haier, one of China's biggest manufacturing companies, is based there).

[Edited 2011-11-22 23:09:22]
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:45 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 19):
CAN has has 4th largest urban population, 4th largest GDP, and 7th largest GDP per capita.

Wikipedia states differently. From the major Chinese cities (exept Hong Kong) Shenzen comes first and then Guangzhou before Shanghai.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...epublic_of_China_by_GDP_per_capita


Quoting col (Reply 22):
LH have made a wise decision, they have the South covered with HKG, and the transport links from HKG into China are very easy.

This I can imagine would be a reason to axe CAN.
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RE: LH To Open Shenyang And Qingdao

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:46 am

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 16):
ahh well, almost 4 hours, maybe they can schedule for something to happen there, maybe to clean the outside of the a/c in a cheaper place?

hardly. It is all about slots and the stupid FRA curfew. Block times 22h15 to 05h30 give some leeway for late departure, early arrival.
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