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Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:46 pm

What wa the first delivery date?
What airplane?

What was the last delivery date?
What airplane?

Which 3 were retired and why those 3 in particular?

Since there is no order yet for replacement, when will the aircraft starting leaving?




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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:15 pm

Of the current active fleet, its ship 904 (N904DL) delivered MFG March 28, 1987.

Last aircraft Ship 9020 (N920DE) MFG December 8, 1993

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901, 902, 903, don't know the reason, I'm guessing cycles or lease rejections, but they are not owned by Delta any longer.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:28 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Since there is no order yet for replacement, when will the aircraft starting leaving?

I know the 739ER order is to replace older 757s, 763s, and A320 a/c from the fleet (at least that's what the press release states), but I would have thought that they would have ordered perhaps some additional 738s to replace them. Maybe some of the MD-90s they're rumored to be kicking the tires on (In addition to the ones they've acquired secondhand.) will replace some of the MD-88s (in particular the older ones still in the fleet), but based on numbers alone, they cannot replace them on a 1:1 basis. For the time being, I think DL will keep them as long as it is financially viable for them until they can bring in a replacement type. Now whether that replacement is the 737 Max 7/8, A-319/320NEO or Bombardier CSeries CS300 remains to be seen.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:38 pm

If I remember correctly, the first 8 or so were actually MD-83s (with pointed tailcones) that were later modified to MD-88 standard. One of the differences of the -88 was that they could be converted to accept propfan engines. Guess that ain't gonna happen.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:00 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Last aircraft Ship 9020 (N920DE) MFG December 8, 1993

Yes it was not long after the last DC-9 left the fleet. At that time nobody thought Delta would ever reintroduce the DC-9 years later by merging with Northwest!

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
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Does Delta still fly the 767-300 non ER? Because I don't see the 739ER replacing the 763ER on TATL runs.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 3):
If I remember correctly, the first 8 or so were actually MD-83s (with pointed tailcones) that were later modified to MD-88 standard. One of the differences of the -88 was that they could be converted to accept propfan engines. Guess that ain't gonna happen.

MD-82s, not MD-83s.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Does Delta still fly the 767-300 non ER? Because I don't see the 739ER replacing the 763ER on TATL runs.

Yes, primarlily on transcons and SLC/LAX-HNL runs.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):

Does Delta still fly the 767-300 non ER? Because I don't see the 739ER replacing the 763ER on TATL runs.

Yes, as those 763s are primarily used on domestic runs, and that is what the 739ER will be replacing, domestic a/c. Eight of those a/c were delivered in 1987-1988, and the newest 763 domestic was delivered in 1999. Delta only has 16 of these a/c in active service (according to Airfleets as well the Delta website), down from 23 a/c at one point (Those seven a/c they retired were the first 767-300s DL received.) The oldest 767-300ERs are 21 years old and the newest is 10 years old. I don't see them being used to replace the ETOPS 757s either.

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 3):
If I remember correctly, the first 8 or so were actually MD-83s (with pointed tailcones) that were later modified to MD-88 standard.

The first 8 a/c were MD-82s that got converted to MD-88s in 1988.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:48 am

The initial 100 739ERs as said is intended to be a ~180 seat replacement, targeting the older A320, 757, and 763 domestic aircraft.

DL for now, has postponed the smaller narrowbody replacement decision, as they were initially planning an order for ~100 aircraft in the 120-150 seat range.

The MD-88s are expected to remain in the fleet until 2017-2018 based on current indications.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:51 am

Is the MD-88 that had the engine failure in 1996 at PNS still flying? I'm surprised there's no ghost stories about that plane. Two pax were decapitated in the back.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:13 am

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 8):
Is the MD-88 that had the engine failure in 1996 at PNS still flying?

Yes, N927DA.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:39 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Delta only has 16 of these a/c in active service (according to Airfleets as well the Delta website), down from 23 a/c at one point (Those seven a/c they retired were the first 767-300s DL received.) The oldest 767-300ERs are 21 years old and the newest is 10 years old. I don't see them being used to replace the ETOPS 757s either.

DL actually had 26 767-300s at its peak, as well as 8 767-300ERs that were used exclusively on domestic runs. This was at the same time as 767-400s were operating as domestic aircraft and aircraft like the L-1011 and MD-11 were also still flying. The good ole days...  

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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:46 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
MD-82s, not MD-83s.

Yes, the -82 has a pointed tail cone and the -83 has the "screwdriver" tail cone, like the -87 and -88 have.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Yes, primarlily on transcons and SLC/LAX-HNL runs.

So those must be ETOPS certified by the FAA, otherwise they wouldn't fly to HNL.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:55 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
So those must be ETOPS certified by the FAA, otherwise they wouldn't fly to HNL.

Actually, only four of them (ships 1401-1404) are ETOPS certified.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
So those must be ETOPS certified by the FAA, otherwise they wouldn't fly to HNL.


I believe there's at least four of them that are ETOPS certified and I know that some of the earlier 763s they retired and were acquired by HA had to be modified for ETOPS before HA could put them into service.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10):
DL actually had 26 767-300s at its peak,

It appears that Airfleets is missing 3 a/c from their count, but Airlinerlist has it correct.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:25 pm

Quoting C767P (Reply 9):
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 8):
Is the MD-88 that had the engine failure in 1996 at PNS still flying?

Yes, N927DA.

Also, the MD-88 that did a 180 upon landing at LGA after clipping runway lights in 1997-ish is still flying. I believe it is N914DA. One of my friends was working that flight (we were NYC based), and another was a passenger in 1st class.

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 8):
Is the MD-88 that had the engine failure in 1996 at PNS still flying? I'm surprised there's no ghost stories about that plane. Two pax were decapitated in the back.

One of my friends was the aft F/A on that plane. She rarely speaks of it but she did once tell me that she tried to stop the massive bleeding and that one of the paxs was actually still alive for a while. I don't think they were actually "decapitated". Very sad. She took alot of time off work afterwards. Thankfully, although I've known many people on plane crashes (including 9/11), I've never been on one myself. Knock wood.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:19 pm

DL placed an order for 100 firm plus 100 options. Eventual total equaled 120. The first eight frames delivered in 1987 were MD-82s fitted with JT8D-219s. The EFIS flightdeck and tail-cone mods were later added in 1988, but the remaining 112 MD-88s have a higher use of composite panels than the original eight.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
Yes, the -82 has a pointed tail cone and the -83 has the "screwdriver" tail cone, like the -87 and -88 have.

Any MD-80 series delivered from mid 1988 had the "screwdriver" tail-cone, regardless of type (-82,-88, etc). The screwdriver design initially debuted with the design of the MD-87.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:24 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
The MD-88s are expected to remain in the fleet until 2017-2018 based on current indications.

Are you saying they'll all be gone by then or this is when the bulk will BEGIN to leave?
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):

Only 4 are ETOPS rated and they rotate through SLC/LAX to HNL and make an appearance back in ATL for mtc. They are also the only non ERs with the big PWs.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):

Only 4 are ETOPS rated and they rotate through SLC/LAX to HNL and make an appearance back in ATL for mtc. They are also the only non ERs with the big PWs.
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
Are you saying they'll all be gone by then or this is when the bulk will BEGIN to leave?

This is the date range being thrown around when the bulk is expected to leave the fleet. That could always change based on multiple factors. The M8R mod work and other avionics upgrades ROI was based on keeping the aircraft in the fleet for another 6-7 years.

That being said, the MD-88s (like their sibling DC-9s) age rather gracefully. The older A320s and older 757s increasingly become much more costly from a maintenance perspective as they age.
 
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RE: Question About DL MD-80 Fleet

Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:51 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):

Wasn't ship 902 the Wolly bird a/c? A shame she is gone.

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