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A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:31 pm

Part 10 of this thread garnered a lot of replies. In some cases the thread takes longer for some users to load and we have therefore started part 11. Please feel free to contribute to the thread:

Part 10 can be found by following this link: A380 Production Thread #10

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:43 pm

May I start with my question from the very end of the last thread?

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...enters-final-assembly-line-365315/

We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

All prospective, I know...
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:00 pm

Sure, because 3rd quarter delivery implies no more than 11 months in production which would be the best result for a first frame. considering the stage of production she is in now, it is more than doable, i would even expect the delivery in august
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:26 am

Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:19 am

Quoting I380North (Reply 3):
Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.

Here you'll find what you need to know:

http://www.taxiway.fr/

I have not been there and don't know anyone directly who has been there, but I've heard that some people are disappointed with the A380 tour since it does not get near enough to the aircraft. I might be in Toulouse next summer and I'll have a try anyway...
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:43 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 1):
We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

While it will be the fastest first frame. it's still doable. The fastest frames, which is the newest EK frames is down to 9 months from last convoy to delivery. While the first TG frame most likely not will beat this, it should be delivered in less than one year from last convoy, which was the "old norm"
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:35 pm

There have been three deliveries within the past few days - HL 7615 to KE, VH-OQK to QF and A6-EDR to EK; is Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:29 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

For next year, MSN78 will be the first interesting aircraft to watch out for, as it is the head of version for MAS, let's see how much it needs from assembly start to delivery.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:02 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

I believe the official target was 25 and Airbus will likely have 26 deliveries this year.

The increase in deliveries compared to previous years is good news (and very necessary) but importantly it's also the first year in which Airbus has reached it's stated delivery target. This will probably give current and prospective customers more confidence in Airbus' delivery forecast for the coming years.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:02 pm

If you go back to Thread #8 you will find that the official target for 2011 was 30, which was reduced to 26 by the RR engine problems.

So - to meet their stated goal: 26 for the year.


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:03 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

I guess you mean 2011.

There are 4 frames which have all 4 been flying after outfitting in XFW. It is therefore not unlikely that all these 4 are to be delivered in 2011, making 26 deliveries in 2011.

These 4 are:

CZ #2 (036)
EK #19 (086)
EK #20 (090)
QF #12 (074)

The QF frame has already been transferred to the delivery centre in TLS.





[Edited 2011-11-30 04:08:15]
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:11 pm

Airbus to deliver 25 to 27 A380s this year and the same next year as production increases to 3 a month an Airbus executive is quoted as saying and sales of about the same, the article suggests it's JL who is also hinting at adding 150 extra seats by 2020 which I take to be the A389. In which case maybe a launch decision in 5 years time.

So production is increasing but the annual rate is roughly the same, so what's the production rate going up from ? 2.9 to 3 ? Come on Airbus you need to get more through the doors than that.  http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...l-25-to-27-a380s-in-2011-2012.html
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:38 pm

EK #19 (086) was delivered today making it the 23rd delivery of 2011 and CZ #2 (036) was ferried from XFW to TLS in preparation for delivery later this month.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:54 pm

Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...  
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 12):
EK #19 (086) was delivered today

Actually, it seems that it was EK #20 (090) A6-EDT which was delivered, while EK #19 (086) A6-EDS has yet to be delivered.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:09 am

Deliveries so far this year 24 for a total of 64 with EK getting their 19th, MSN090 on Dec 2nd.

Possible deliveries this year include EKs 20th, MSN086 may be the 16th Dec followed by CZ getting their 2nd on Dec 17th and there might even be QA 12th, MSN074 squeezed in before years end. A total of 27 for the year if all goes well, fingers crossed and lets hope for next year 30+ get delivered.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:42 am

Quoting KennyK (Reply 15):
Deliveries so far this year 24

Hmm? If I count them I have only 23 so far, making it a total of 26 airframes in 2011, if MSN 086 (EK), MSN 036 (CZ) and MSN 074 (QF) will be delivered until end of December.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...

That's nice to hear. I was busy completing a project but will update it now (actually I already updated it yesterday when travelling in the train). The graphic for the production times looks much better now because the last 6 deliveries were all below 12 months, the only exception being MSN 063.

[Edited 2011-12-13 02:55:04]
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:11 pm

The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.
http://igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planning_2012_DIR_Sud-Ouest.jpg
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:41 pm

wow wow wow.
just look at the sequences 20-21-22 or 23-24-25.
it seems that the production of parts is alright and that they trust themselves.
i'll try to give an estimate of deliveries, feel fry to oppose or correct:
right now, 64 deliveries, likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).
after that, in various stages of assembling or outfitting, we'll have
EK (7 frames)
LH (2 frames)
AF (2 frames)
CZ (2 frames)
MH (3 frames)
TG (1 frame)
SQ (5 frames)
superduperextrabillionaire airlines (1 frame)
TOTAL:23
on the grounds of the current assembly and outfitting speed and expecting slight improvement of non-EK frames, in 2012 we should have deliveries for 1 more convoy this year completing the 27th frame of EK (already counted above) and eight convoys of 2012 (the final one being completed on March 27, 2012)
as a result,
23+8=31 deliveries in 2012 on condition that all convoys contain 6 pieces.
now, if only the convoys became larger...
If everything goes normally, 8 more full frames should be convoiyed.
I would expect
EK (3)
MH (2)
TG (2)
KE (1)
and on December 21, 2012 we would have 98 frames in service:
EK 30
SQ 19
QF 12
LH 10
AF 8
KE 6
MH 5
CZ 4
TG 3
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 17):
The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.
http://igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planning_2...t.jpg

Interesting. Thanks!

Just at first glance, it gives a feeling of acceleration in the last part of the year, with three occurences of three convoys in four weeks from septembre on...

Edit: I took so much time reading and typing that ZKCIF wrote much more than I did... And in a much more detailed way...

[Edited 2011-12-13 11:58:08]
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:33 am

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 18):
likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).

QF # 12, VH-OQL left TLS about one hour ago. I was holding my breath because there was a stom over France last night (I am not sure though if TLS was affected as well) but obviously no problem for the delivery.

EK # 20 will leave XFW today as well (did I mention there was a storm over France yesterday which is now heading towards Germany?)
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:39 pm

The final delivery for this year CZ # 2 (MSN036) has left TLS and is currently flying over Belarus.

Together with QF # 12 and EK # 20, both delivered yesterday, that makes it three deliveries in two days and 26 in total for 2011. Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

Airbus plans to deliver at least 30 A380s next year.

I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.  
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

I applaud that they met their promised delivery of 26 this year. It looks like Airbus is finally gaining control of the process. I hope for the best next year.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:57 am

For those to whom this kind of thing matters (i.e. me and about three others   ), 14 of these 26 had RR and 12 had EA. RR also outsold EA in 2011 in that RR picked up 14 firm orders and EA haven't announced any. Indeed, EA are currently negative for 2011 after the ILFC cancellations.

Of the 30 deliveries planned for 2012, it should work out pretty even between RR and EA.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:28 am

Some interesting information in this link....

http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/inve...ports/investor-forums/gif2011.html

Go to the bottom presentation, by Fabrice Bergier, the COO of Airbus.

Slide 4 shows output increasing from about 2 1/2 per month as of October 2011, to 3 1/2 per month by Feb 2013, and quote a "doubling of production" from 2010 to 2013.

This implies 35-36 frames in 2013, on top of the 30 targetted for 2012

Slide 34 shows that airframes being delivered today having an "airframe cost" ony 2/3 of those that were delivered in 2009.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:50 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
Some interesting information in this link....

So sounds like Airbus is confident of their new annual production target (while not the original 44, 36 a year should start helping shake some more orders from the trees for new customers) and their goal to have production costs per frame below contracted delivery price (or whatever they meant by "break even on a production basis").   
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:53 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
"airframe cost" ony 2/3 of those that were delivered in 2009.

Not bad: cheaper, quicker and…….lighter!!!

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:43 pm

Any chance Airbus could sneak out a 27th out before years end ?  

If so, which MSNs could be in the frame ?
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting KennyK (Reply 27):
Any chance Airbus could sneak out a 27th out before years end ?

If so, which MSNs could be in the frame ?

Keep in mind, if they did then that would also mean -1 for 2012, which may conclude in them not hitting their targeted 30 but 29. The good publicity of today would be the bad publicity of tomorrow. I doubt they're going to rush any frames before 2012. 26 sounds like a solid number for 2011 and Airbus employees should go into their holidays with a satisfied feeling - keeps the moral up  
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
So sounds like Airbus is confident of their new annual production target (while not the original 44, 36 a year should start helping shake some more orders from the trees for new customers) and their goal to have production costs per frame below contracted delivery price (or whatever they meant by "break even on a production basis").

What makes you assume that the ultimate production target has been revised down?

As far as I can tell, the production target for 2013 (36-39, depending on the source), is just another step toward reaching full production at a pace of about 45/year. This could be achieved from 2014 or 2015 onward.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting Scipio (Reply 29):
What makes you assume that the ultimate production target has been revised down?

Call it personal skepticism, but that being said, I do hope they can ramp to 44 in the near term (they will get there eventually, of course). The more they can deliver, the more they can sell, IMO.

[Edited 2011-12-18 14:20:32]
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:23 pm

26 targeted, 26 delivered. Great news for Airbus to have met its yearly A380 target for the first time. This sends out a positive message and will help create confidence in the A380 program. I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

30 for 2012, while not a dramatic ramp-up, would confirm progress towards a rate of 2.5 frames per month, followed by 3 per month in 2013, which IMO is a critical number to clear the backlog and open the way for further orders. All certainly very realistic and achievable targets, and numbers that customers can rely on.   
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
26 targeted, 26 delivered. Great news for Airbus to have met its yearly A380 target for the first time.

Isn't it also the first time the target is met two weeks before the end of the year, instead of in the very last hours?
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
Together with QF # 12 and EK # 20, both delivered yesterday, that makes it three deliveries in two days and 26 in total for 2011. Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

Great news for Airbus well done.

Quoting PM (Reply 23):
For those to whom this kind of thing matters (i.e. me and about three others ), 14 of these 26 had RR and 12 had EA. RR also outsold EA in 2011 in that RR picked up 14 firm orders and EA haven't announced any.

Why do I feel like I have a target on my back?   Well done RR.    EA really hasn't recovered from the loss of the A380F.   They should have by now have recovered and sold *some* in 2011.   

RR will benefit from the production ramp up as that will allow existing customers (as well as new) to place 'top off' orders. That will mostly benefit RR. At least I have high hopes of a KE 'top off' order. However I suspect many of the RR customers would be 'in line' first.  
Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

I am most strongly in that camp. Without 'backlog reduction,' new customers will hesitate, in particular in this financial environment. However, just as important have been the weight reductions.

Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs?    I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:19 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

I am most strongly in that camp. Without 'backlog reduction,' new customers will hesitate, in particular in this financial environment. However, just as important have been the weight reductions.


Put me in that camp as well. I have high hopes that if they can continue to increase production nearer to the originally envisioned levels, with the waiting time going down (hopefully significantly), it will trigger new orders for the A380.  .

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs? I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

That is a question "we" normally would ask you.  
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:47 pm

Given a production target of 30 A380s this could be the delivery list for 2012 (in order of entry into production):

MSN076 - SQ #15
MSN054 - CZ #3
MSN079 - SQ #16
MSN082 - SQ #17
MSN098 - EK #21
MSN067 - AF #7
MSN099 - AF #8
MSN078 - MH #1 (8th operator)
MSN101 - EK #22
MSN072 - LH #9
MSN073 - LH #10
MSN085 - SQ #18
MSN081 - MH #2
MSN103 - EK #23
MSN092 - SQ #19 (final order delivery)
MSN084 - MH #3
MSN105 - EK #24
MSN087 - TG #1 (9th operator)
MSN088 - CZ #4
MSN106 - EK #25
MSN107 - EK #26
MSN108 - EK #27
MSN089 - MH #4
MSN093 - TG #2
MSN094 - MH #5
MSN096 - KE #6
MSN104 - AF #9
MSN109 - EK #28
MSN110 - EK #29
MSN111 - EK #30

The private A380 for Al-Waleed is also planned for delivery in 2012.


TG #1 on the Final Assembly Line (17th Dec).

[Edited 2011-12-19 14:53:48]
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.

How did you know this!   But like always it took a little bit longer. Congratulations to Airbus. Referring to the target value they published at the beginning of 2011 (not to the later updates during the year) they overpromised by two airframes: 26 instead of 24.



In other news it seems as if Airbus is trying to get rid of their external A 380 production observers by sending one convoy with Emirates fuselage parts after the other and thus making it boring to follow: so far four convoys in a row (MSN 106, MSN 107, MSN 108 and MSN 109) and it could even become worse because they have to convoy MSN 110 and 111 until February 2012 to make sure they can deliver them in 2012.

When updating the backlog figure I realized that 2011 was actually not a good year in terms of sales: 19 orders in gross but considering the cancelation of ILFC it’s just 9 airframes.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 35):
Given a production target of 30 A380s this could be the delivery list for 2012 (in order of entry into production):

Yapp, these airframes should be the ones to be delivered in 2012.

12 of them are already in XFW for cabin outfitting
2 of them are at the flightline in TLS waiting for FF
7 of them are in the FAL (I counted MSN 002)
2 of them are in parts receiving / body join
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23 in different stages of production after convoy

There will be 5 additional convoys until the end of February 2012: 3 in January 2012 and 2 in February 2012.
So assuming that they will achieve production times of 10 months between "all parts convoyed to TLS" and delivery (which they have n o t yet reached, just for the last EK-airframes) then we end up with 28 airframes in 2012. Seems as if Airbus thinks they can reduce the production times even more. From the outside, this new target of "more than 30" looks quit challenging.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:20 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.

How did you know this!

Yay! Christmas gifts are not always all under the tree! Vielen Danke!

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
they overpromised by two airframes: 26 instead of 24.

I suppose you meant "underpromised" ?

Looking at the detail of your list, MSN 002 has to be included, for the planned deliveries to reach 30. But then, from speedygonzales' post, it was obvious that a speeding up of convoys is in the making... Must mean there will also be a speeding up of everything else?
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:31 pm

I am confused by the backlog chart that seems to show negative deliveries.. ??
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting aircellist (Reply 37):
I suppose you meant "underpromised" ?

Oops, yes, of course it should be "underpromised".

Quoting aircellist (Reply 37):
/Looking at the detail of your list, MSN 002 has to be included, for the planned deliveries to reach 30.

I counted MSN 002 in the 7 airframes currently in the FAL: 6 normal production airframes plus MSN 002, whIch by the way has been seen outside the FAL this month.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:45 pm

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 18):
superduperextrabillionaire airlines (1 frame)

I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

Any idea when he will have his Kingdom Force One delivered?
His Kingdom KR5 mega-yacht (ex Khassogghi's) is moored in Antibes year round. Now he will have his own A380 to go with it. I wonder what registration number it will have.

How about Roman Abramovich's "Bourkhan" personal A380? When is the second superduperextrabillionaire private A380 going to be delivered?

    
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:32 pm



Quoting kanban (Reply 38):
I am confused by the backlog chart that seems to show negative deliveries.. ??

Well, we had this (academic) question before in one of the previous threads. To me the backlog is no. of orders MINUS the number of airframes ordered. That's why I prefer to show the deliveries negative (for presenting the current backlog only, of course).

[Edited 2011-12-28 13:34:14]
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:39 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 41):
To me the backlog is no. of orders MINUS the number of airframes ordered.

Typo? This equals zero and always will as you are subtracting a number (No of orders) from itself (no of airframes ordered)  
That no of orders = no of airframes ordered, as we are talking about airframe orders, is a given.

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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:56 pm

Thx for the update N14AZ. As usual it's affengeil.

Also looking forward to you graph showing the development of the production times. I'm curious to see how much the production times have gone down and where the biggest gains are being made. Is it still mainly in production at TLS (convoy > roll-out) or is XLW (FF > delivery) now also contributing? XLW will certainly have to speed up if they want to increase production/deliveries to 30 in 2012.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

Any idea when he will have his Kingdom Force One delivered?

Delivery excluding the outfitting by Lufthansa should take place in H1 2012.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
How about Roman Abramovich's "Bourkhan" personal A380? When is the second superduperextrabillionaire private A380 going to be delivered?

He seems like the type of guy who would be able and willing to buy an A380 private jet given the size of his other toys. I'm sure there will be an order for a 2nd private A380 at some stage. There are quite a few Russian billionaires nowadays and some must be itching to spend their dubiously gained rubels on something other than a (premier league) football club.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:57 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
[I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

This remains to be seen. I asked on German aviation forums it anybody knows about LH Technik's plans but never got confirmation that MSN 002 will be transferred to Hamburg. I find it hard to believe that an A 380 will occupy an outfitting hangar in Hamburg and nobody knows about it (unfortunately, the Prince doesn't discuss his plans with me in due time   ). So eventually LHT did not get this job. A.netters from Switzerland (Jet Aviation) or Texas (forgot the name of that outfitting company in Waco (?)): do you know more?

Regarding delivery (did u actually read the posts before?): fIrst it was even scheduled for delivery (to the outfitting company) in 2011 but that's history now. MSN 002 has been spotted with all engines installed and neutralized AB-cls. so delivery should be soon in 2012.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 42):

Typo? This equals zero and always will as you are subtracting a number

Aarggggg! I meant no. of orders minus no. of deliveries. I am writing these posts from my iPhone and it's either due to my fat fingers or due to the cheap bottle of red wine I just bought at the local discounter (so my backlog for red wine is currently zero but I am intending to place a follow-up order tomorrow) or maybe both that I made this typo.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:51 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
Yapp, these airframes should be the ones to be delivered in 2012.

Thanks again for the charts. Looking back, it looks like June 2010 is when the slope changed (ok, perhaps May 2010).

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
then we end up with 28 airframes in 2012. Seems as if Airbus thinks they can reduce the production times even more. From the outside, this new target of "more than 30" looks quit challenging.

You are more generous than I. From the convoy rate, I see 26 deliveries in 2012.   I had hopes for more...

Quoting wolbo (Reply 35):
MSN109 - EK #28
MSN110 - EK #29
MSN111 - EK #30

Any way its sliced, EK will end 2012 with about one year's worth of airframes in their fleet.


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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:07 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs? I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

There is plenty of news on T900 PIP's, EA not so much..

Quote:
Rolls-Royce has introduced the first of a two-phase performance improvement for the Trent 900 engines that power the Airbus A380 airliner. Turbofans now being delivered to A380 operators have a one-percent improvement in specific fuel consumption compared with the initial units. Second-phase improvements that are due to enter service during 2013 will deliver a further 0.8-percent reduction in fuel burn.
http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation...-fuel-efficient-trent-900-turbofan
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:01 am

BoeingVista, thanks is an interesting read. It seems that RR are heavily into PIP's more so than GE/PW. Is this because of the more competitive nature of the frames they are mounted on (330/380/787). GE position on the 747-8 seemed very aggressive to the customers with regards to missing spec and PIP cost. The 77W is on its own and doing well, so GE do not need to take action. Just some thoughts.
 
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RE: A380 Production Thread Part 11

Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:45 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 47):
There is plenty of news on T900 PIP's, EA not so much..

  

Pratt/GE need to work on their fuel burn. They have a lead today (0.7%), but that would be eliminated by RR's PIPs. So EA *must* do something or they will be steamrolled.

Quoting col (Reply 48):
It seems that RR are heavily into PIP's more so than GE/PW.

It is much easier for one company to do the ROI than two companies to agree. I speculate that is why Pratt bought out RR from IAE.

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