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BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:59 pm

With the UK Government yesterday supporting the A45 diversion, the runway extension will definitely go ahead.

Will there be new long haul destinations, have any airlines said they will be operating routes once the extension opens? Once HS2 opens, BHX will be quite attractive for many parts of London
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:02 pm

BHX is a good 120 miles from most of London and to be honest if you can't fly somewhere you want to from the 5 airports in London, you probably can't fly there at all!
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:52 pm

Is there any timeline on when construction might start? As it is probably at least 2 years from opening I'd be surprised if any airline has committed to new service at this time. Personally, I'd like to see DL add a DTW or MSP (very long shot) flight or UA to ORD. Though, those services don't need an extended runway.

As for HS2, BHX has been promoting themselves as an alternative option to Heathrow and theoretically a 40 minute train ride to BHX might be an option for some if LHR is not allowed to grow and service does grow at BHX, but I don't see people wanting to do that in significant numbers. HS2 is also still a dream on an engineers plan and at least 20 years away from reality.

BHX needs to concentrate on winning passengers from those that now drive to LHR from the midlands area.
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:09 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
Will there be new long haul destinations,

Eventually, but while airlines buy equipment for new routes years in the future, they do not commit to the exact routes until they have to. We'll see something, we just won't know what until the runway is complete.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
BHX needs to concentrate on winning passengers from those that now drive to LHR from the midlands area.

Agreed. Part of that is going to be offering more of the flights the passengers need. It is a chicken and egg scenario... BHX would do better if it offered more long haul flights yet those flights are unlikely to go to BHX until the passengers are there...

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
BHX might be an option for some if LHR is not allowed to grow

It won't in flights, but it will grow in gauge. The new gate space will help. What will happen is that as the supply/demand curve shifts in favor of those selling flights at LHR, it will push passengers to look at other airports. It will be a slow process as passengers are loath to switch habits. They might use the clubs at LHR for 'networking' (or just drinking...).

The #1 challenge for BHX will be attracting premium passengers. Premium passengers need the destinations offered from LHR/LGW. Thus those passengers will be more inclined to live near those airports. Thus, it makes the yeild on premium seats from BHX... less. In effect LHR and LGW have the 'first mover' advantage as far as gaining premium passengers.

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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:34 pm

Good news, About time Airports in the UK woke up. Its like everything was shutting down or decaying never moving forward.

I have no doubt in the near future Luton will expand due to the conservatives being dead agains LHR expanding anymore and LGW having no room. Luton has room and is very well located for many different catchment areas... I think something will pop up soon that surprises people.
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:55 pm

It is good news that the expansion will go ahead at BHX. And I agree with the comments raised above in the previous posts. Where BHX has let itself down is not looking forward far enough to the future. This runway extension is about 20 or so years late. The "new" terminal was completed and opened in 1984 and that is when the runway extension should have been planned for (and budgeted for).

We are now in the process of getting a new control tower (main structure is finished with all the internal workings to go in) which should be finished in about 18 or so months time.

I am under the impression that BHX have employed someone (pinched from MAN I believe) covering route development concentrating on the long haul sectors (but to be honest any new routes will do). What we need to get away from is the "low-fare" carriers and concentrate on the premier carriers with a premium product. As has been pointed out to attract new business you need to make it worthwhile to the person paying the bill to change their travel arrangements. For major Companies this has got to be one heck of an adjustment to what they are paying now to even make them think about changing their booking arrangements. Without them the Airlines are not going to place their aircraft into BHX on a hope (or wing and a prayer!). This is a very big chicken and egg for BHX and one that they MUST get right for the airport to expand the way it shoud be. LHR / LGW / STN are all either maxed out (or well on the way to being maxed out) and so this does give BHX a very good chance to entice new carriers to the Airport.

One thing that some people forget about is cargo. Sometimes the flights operated into an Airport may not be full upstairs, but the cargo holds are full to the brim downstairs. This revenue is VERY important to any carrier (that takes cargo) and should not be ignored by anyone on this forum. BHX has a very good reputation for cargo (both ad-hoc and scheduled services) and is very capable of handling more. We have enough bonded warehouse space for new carriers to come in and based on the queues for the bonded warehouses at LHR, I would say that the hauliers would be happy for more business to be directed to BHX. Just in case people are not aware of the fact, it is not uncommon for drivers to wait for several hours at LHR just to get onto the loading / unloading deck. At BHX I think the worst I have ever seen is about an hour and a half.

Before anyone asks, No I do not work for BHX, but I do work at BHX involved in freight forwarding. The more carriers come into BHX the easier my job will be (and the better for my Customers as well).
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:06 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
Will there be new long haul destinations

Not many. Maybe a carrier from the Sub-continent and/or the Middle-East. I can't see much else.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
have any airlines said they will be operating routes once the extension opens?

None whatsoever.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
BHX is a good 120 miles from most of London and to be honest if you can't fly somewhere you want to from the 5 airports in London, you probably can't fly there at all!

Agreed. I can't see many Southern folk coming up to BHX when they have LGW and LHR on their doorstep giving them better options.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
service does grow at BHX

I personally do not see this happening. As far as International airports go, BHX has got to be one of the most space constrained airports in the UK if not in Europe. I don't think the residents of Bickenhill would be happy either.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With the UK Government yesterday supporting the A45 diversion

Do you have a source? I haven't seen anything mentioned in the local media. Perhaps some confusion with the Government announcing an upgrade of the A45 in Coventry?
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:44 pm

Will it be A380 ready?

EK has to send them somewhere in the years to come!


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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:52 pm

EK sent one of their A380's into BHX in September of 2009. This substituted for their lunchtime flight (EK040) and was used as a line flight (albeit with a 777 load of passengers just in case they needed to substitute aircraft on the day).

I was at the reception held in the terminal and saw the flight both land and depart (and not requiring all of the runway for either), and apart from being more closely guided around the taxi way there was no issues with the flight using BHX (at least I have not heard of any issues that arose).

We had a ground crew from LHR that handled the flight as well as a spare tow bar from LHR. I believe the aircraft was actually carrying one as well (just in case of a problem). If memory serves me right they even managed to load cargo out on the flight (I am sure I had some on there, I manage to get some on 90% of the flights ex BHX).
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 6):
Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With the UK Government yesterday supporting the A45 diversion

Do you have a source? I haven't seen anything mentioned in the local media. Perhaps some confusion with the Government announcing an upgrade of the A45 in Coventry?

A coupe of links mention this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-15951718
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/w...n-in-west-midlands-65233-29866042/

BHX theoretically should be quite convenient for many people to the West and North of London, and the West Midlands is a large conurbation, but it has always struggled to get a niche for itself, other than European and charter flights, so I was wondering why they felt that the runway length was the main issue holding them back. Probably the same reason why Manchester felt it needed its second runway...
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:15 pm

Quoting dc10bhx (Reply 8):
I believe the aircraft was actually carrying one as well (just in case of a problem).

I'm led to believe that the A380 always carries a tow bar with it. In a chest in H5 (or Bulk hold). I've not had the pleasure of dispatching one yet though so will have to wait for a nosey around!
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 10):

I'm led to believe that the A380 always carries a tow bar with it.

Where is it stored?
Is there a special place for it?
It wouldn´t be lying loose in the luggage hold………..?


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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:14 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 9):

A coupe of links mention this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-15951718
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/w...6042/

from those links it is the A45 at Tollbar that has been approved and the Government has other plans including the A45 diversion at BHX, which it has promised to support. So it appears the diversion has not yet being approved and the extension cannot yet happen.
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:40 pm

Maybe it will be as "spectacular" as the recently opened ABZ extension...
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 12):
So it appears the diversion has not yet being approved and the extension cannot yet happen.

Why divert the road at all? Why not a tunnel following its current route? I'm guessing it needs only to be 500-600' in length.
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:38 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 12):
So it appears the diversion has not yet being approved and the extension cannot yet happen.

That's fine, the runway extension can't be used until the new control tower is operational anyway... plenty of time!

Quoting threepoint (Reply 14):
Why divert the road at all? Why not a tunnel following its current route? I'm guessing it needs only to be 500-600' in length.

Last I heard, it was cheaper to divert it than tunnel. That and the airport have shaved some of the length of the extension off to make it cheaper to build.
 
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RE: BHX Birmingham Runway Extension

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:52 pm

I live in NW london, beause of traffic congestion on London's orbital motorway there is not a huge difference in the driving time between LGW (75 mins) and BHX (90 mins) I travelled BHX-MBJ

The train from Watford to Birmingham international takes about 1 hour to Gatwick is about the same.

Passengers may use BHX if they can get cheaper flights or greater availabilty.