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Does Anybody Have Photos Of The Airbus AE316/7?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:08 pm

I know the AE316/7, was a RJ project, that seat 95 and 115 passengers, which Airbus was working on with China and Singapore. I also know that the AE316/7, had a cross section around the size of an DC-9 type a/c. So I wonder, do any body here, have a photo of the AE316/7 designs, and if you do, please post it ? Thank you  
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:13 pm



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Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:24 pm

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 1):
Ask and ye shall receive

Your are right about that. Thank you for the photo.  
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Is there any more information about this program out there somewhere?
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:49 pm

Couldn't resist..... http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...inerphotos/photos/big/00002955.jpg

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Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 3):
Is there any more information about this program out there somewhere?

A post from an old thread.....

"User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11091 posts, RR: 69
Reply 7, posted Fri Dec 13 2002 05:47:16 your local time (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Airbus Industrie Asia (AIA) was planning on developing the AE316 and AE317 under a joint venture with Aviation Industries of China (AVIC) and Singapore Technologies.

It would have resembled the A320 family similar in length to the A318. The AE316 would have seated 95 to 105 passengers, while the larger stretched AE317 would have seated 115 to 125 passengers. The key difference between these 2 aircraft and the A320 family however would have been a narrower fuselage. It would have a 5-abreast seat configuration in economy instead of 6-abreast as on the current A320 family. It was originally called the AE100.

This aircraft would have been a TRUE 717 competitor as it would have been much much lighter than the A318.

Unfortunately this aircraft never became a reality.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:32 am

It B737-100 was 28.67m long but the A318 is 31.44m long, ¿could have been possible to further shorten the 6 abreast A318 and make it an A317?
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:04 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
could have been possible to further shorten the 6 abreast A318 and make it an A317?

Technically it wouldn't have been hard at all, but the economics of the A318 are bad enough.

Honestly I have to say that from the looks of it it's a real shame that Airbus went with the A318 over the AE316/7, although I suppose the logic of the decision is clear enough. Honestly it still seems like a good concept post NEO introduction but for the glut of aircraft in that size range now... I assume that if Airbus had gone with this they could quite easily have beaten things like the C-Series and MRJ into service (how would it compare time wise the E-190/195?), and the commonality could have gone a long way in terms of early sales. The experience lightening the A320 technology wouldn't have hurt the NEO program either for that matter, with the potential for the new technology to eventually end up back in the A320s.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:37 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
could have been possible to further shorten the 6 abreast A318 and make it an A317?

Possibly, but because the reduced moment arm between the wing and tail I imagine the tail would need to be scaled up. I believe Airbus has been able to utilize the same tail for the A318 as the rest of the A32X series, however anything much shorted than the A318 I would imagine would require a scaled up tail. Similarly, when Boeing produced the 747SP the vertical tail was increased in area because the reduced moment arm.

Long story short, possible yes, but as Bureaucromancer said, the economics would have been terrible.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:46 am

What are the production implication of a narrower fuselage?.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:04 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):

Well those pics are of the experimental Airbus DC3-A313 (first pic) and the A314.  

The DC3-A313 was considered too retro looking but it was thought it might make a great jump plane.

The A314 was an experiment into providing maximum safety for passengers which is why it had 8 exits (four main and four over wing). Even with this much passenger safety designed into it, it never caught on.

Also range was a bit of an issue for both these birds.

 

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:04 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
Couldn't resist.....

The second looks OK, but on the first photo the wing is too much to the front... Nice photos, and the only photos I assume.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:50 am

Quoting amccann (Reply 7):
I believe Airbus has been able to utilize the same tail for the A318 as the rest of the A32X series, however anything much shorted than the A318 I would imagine would require a scaled up tail.

My understanding is that the tail of, for example, the A319, is 11.80 meters high while that of the 318 is 12.56 meters. The difference can be seen here:

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:53 am

Quoting amccann (Reply 7):
I believe Airbus has been able to utilize the same tail for the A318 as the rest of the A32X series

The A319,320,321 share the same vertical tail, but the A318 features a taller fin. You can see the extension above the rudder on the LAN A318 below left compared with the A319 on the right.


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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
on the first photo the wing is too much to the front.

Rumor had it that it was returned to the manufacturer due to a bad nose-up attitude, which also made the carrier wary of taking delivery of its sibling.  .

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
and the only photos I assume.

Ahh, they also had a very early prototype of an A300 variant, but wind tunnel testing had disastrous results.....

http://pluchette.free.fr/A307.jpg


.....it ended up as a model for children's toys and key chains for airplane geeks!  
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:05 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
Ahh, they also had a very early prototype of an A300 variant, but wind tunnel testing had disastrous results.....

Though I would LOVE to see it's take off performance! Pretty much vertical I would presume.

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RE: Does Anybody Have Photos Of The Airbus AE316/7?

Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:34 am

Quoting egnr (Reply 12):
The A319,320,321 share the same vertical tail, but the A318 features a taller fin. You can see the extension above the rudder on the LAN A318 below left compared with the A319 on the right.

I didn't know that, thanks for pointing that out to me. I wonder if a further reduced moment arm would require an increased horizontal tail as well, or if the current tail has enough remaining control authority that it would not pose an issue.
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