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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:53 am




THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLV

“Tribute to Belize Airways Limited”

Belize had an own airline which likely operated during the 70s and 80s. According to photographic information available on the database, its fleet consisted of five 720s. Regrettably, there is very little information regarding their destinations, aircraft registrations, investments, owners and the reasons that led to its demise.
The attached pic shows a shiny B720 during the mid 70s in South Florida which belonged to United Airlines before.





Some highlights from the old thread:

TACA and Sky Airline from Chile began mutual code-share service.
The expansion in Panama City and Liberia would be completed in December.
Tropic Air announced service to Orange Walk, Belize. San Pedro Sula and Roatan will begin in March.
Jet Blue inaugurated the Liberia - New York JFK service on November 17th.
Avianca-TACA is reporting US 117,8 net profit in 2011.
Maintenance works in Lima resulted in temporary reductions on TACA.
Lufthansa might be considering flights to Central America in the future.
TACA expects to have over 11% of the Peruvian domestic market-share by year's end.
Brazil gives 21 new weekly frequencies to Panama.
TACA, AeroGal and Avianca consolidate its presence into the [Peru-Ecuador-Colombia] market.
No more E90s for both Copa Airlines and TACA.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:31 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Avianca-TACA is reporting US 117,8 net profit in 2011

... yet the holding company says nothing about presumed losses by TACA.  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:03 am

Are CM or TA going to have any extra additional flights for December before Xmas and January after New Year on their routes with the most O/D demand? Like PTY-MIA for CM and LAX-SAL for TA?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:19 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 1):
... yet the holding company says nothing about presumed losses by TACA.  

"Presumed" by whom? you?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:23 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Avianca-TACA is reporting US 117,8 net profit in 2011.

That is not true. The 117,8 million net profit is for the first nine months of the year from the Avianca division of the Holding. Aviaca-Taca made around 70 million during the first 9 months of 2011.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:43 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 3):
"Presumed" by whom?

I'm not making this up.. the simple rationale behind these presumptive losses was explained to me in the Colombian thread and it goes like this..

What RCS763AV said is that if you take that [US$117.8M] profit by AV only, and compare it with the [US$70.5M] for the whole group, the [–US$47.3M] difference is presumably attributable to a loss by TACA.

And these conjectures are fueled by the fact that both AviancaTaca (holding company) and AVIANCA figures have been made available to the public, but there are still no official individual results for TACA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:43 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Are CM or TA going to have any extra additional flights for December before Xmas and January after New Year on their routes with the most O/D demand? Like PTY-MIA for CM and LAX-SAL for TA?


CM PTY-MIA is operating as 28x weekly since June 16th. The airline will add four more seasonal-weekly frequencies on December 16th.
TA SAL-MIA 21x weekly remains unchanged.
The most impressive item is NK SJO-FLL that is already flying the traditional red-eye service until the end of the 2012 US summer break. Their extra frequencies would vary from 4x to 6x weekly.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:01 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
NK SJO-FLL that is already flying the traditional red-eye service until the end of the 2012 US summer break

I believe that red–eye started out as a seasonal (low season only) experiment, so is it now year–round?
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:42 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 6):
The airline will add four more seasonal-weekly frequencies on December 16th.

0535h departure from MIA, quite cool    but it gets into PTY at a morning hub time (southbound connections) 0830h. PTY-MIA departs 1550h, MIA arrival 1850h.
Don't know what CM intents to do with that aircraft in MIA between 2000h and 0430h next morning.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:39 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 7):

I believe that red–eye started out as a seasonal (low season only) experiment, so is it now year–round?


The red-eye NK FLL-SJO-FLL will end on September 03rd 2012.
As a result, NK FLL-SJO will launch [10x to 13x] weekly frequencies throughout the 2012.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:31 pm

the history of BAL is sketchy..but I do recall flying them to MIA. I believe they had 4 707s
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:36 pm

PTY ordered the delay of the bid for new concourse furniture From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
PTY airport management ordered the bid for the new concourse furniture to be delayed due to complaints from 10 of the 11 bidders. It was suggested by one of the companies bidding that chairs and counters should go in separate bids and that the time for the furniture delivery and installation should be 90 days instead of 30.
CM is in desperate need of that new concourse fully or at least partially functional and if there are no furniture there when it's OK to use, IMHO most likely CM could give a damn about whom PTY is getting the furniture from and when and dare to bring temporary chairs, counter desks so to use the new jetways ASAP.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:13 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
PTY ordered the delay of the bid for new concourse furniture From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
PTY airport management ordered the bid for the new concourse furniture to be delayed due to complaints from 10 of the 11 bidders. It was suggested by one of the companies bidding that chairs and counters should go in separate bids and that the time for the furniture delivery and installation should be 90 days instead of 30.
CM is in desperate need of that new concourse fully or at least partially functional and if there are no furniture there when it's OK to use, IMHO most likely CM could give a damn about whom PTY is getting the furniture from and when and dare to bring temporary chairs, counter desks so to use the new jetways ASAP.

Sounds like some rigged bidding to me.....would we expect anything less?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:59 pm

Some of you might enjoy reading this study (over two years old and in Spanish) concerning air transport regulatory conditions (pre AV/TA merger) in CentAm and how those conditions affected intra–regional competition and fares.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Some of you might enjoy reading this study (over two years old and in Spanish) concerning air transport regulatory conditions (pre AV/TA merger) in CentAm and how those conditions affected intra–regional competition and fares.

It even had a whole point about CM 2nd SAL frequency. How complete!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:29 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
It even had a whole point about CM 2nd SAL frequency. How complete!

Yes and best of all it's a scholarly academic exercise (lots of research and footnotes!) put together with backing from CEPAL (UN Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean) by a university professor with no ties to the region and holding a master's degree in Economics (from Cornell) and a Ph.D. in Strategic Management.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 15):

It's a really interesting document, I couldn't put it down.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:56 pm

As expected, the current Chinchilla administration (very much in line with its clueless and demagogic tradition) will reward COOPESA with over 107K sq ft of new hangar space (expected to cost US$27M) on a 15–acre tract of real estate south of the SJO runway, adjacent to the airport's namesake caserío of El Coco, along with a sweetheart rent deal (US$45K/month although it should be at least twice that) and no mention of past unpaid rent owed to CETAC.

Such generous holiday season gift bundle is so COOPESA agrees to move out of its present location (where it has been freeloading shamelessly for almost five decades) and AERIS can build nine additional gates, including two widebody positions and a new domestic terminal to replace the current tin–roof SANSA shack.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
Such generous holiday season gift bundle is so COOPESA agrees to move out of its present location (where it has been freeloading shamelessly for almost five decades) and AERIS can build nine additional gates, including two widebody positions and a new domestic terminal to replace the current tin–roof SANSA shack.

Yes, the area COOPESA is supposed to be moving is on the other side of the runway, but given how room deprived SJO is, isn't that area also good as extra remote positions?

Did COOPESA threatened the Chinchilla government to move out of Costa Rica if they didn't get that piece of land on the other side of SJO runway?
Why Chinchilla and others didn't forcibly entice COOPESA to re-locate to LIR?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:39 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Some of you might enjoy reading this study


Excellent contribution !
I partially agreed with the following excerpt that refers to the operating model of TACA:

"...el modelo de Grupo Taca se acerca más al sistema PP que al HS.

CM ** is undoubtedly regulated by the "point to point [PP]" diagram.
TACA *** model might be also paraphrased as "an airline having three Hub and Spoke [HS] systems." Well, maybe not...
For the case of Miami, the airline operates LIM-MIA, SJO-MIA, SAL-TGU-MIA, SAL-GUA-MIA, SAL-MGA-MIA, SAL-SAP-MIA and SAL-MIA. Mexico City, Los Angeles, Medellin, Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil, Managua, Santo Domingo, Guatemala City, Managua, New York JFK, Havana, etc are also experiencing similar models but with fewer points of origin.
Now take a look at other destinations such as ASU, YYZ, MVD, LPB, EZE, GIG, GRU, POA, BSB, VVI, SCL, CUN, MCO, IAH, BZE, SFO, CUZ, TRU, TPP, AQP, CIX and so on. All these airports are being served from one only HS.

CM ** Copa Airlines Colombia was not taken into consideration.
TACA *** Avianca was not been taken into consideration.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:54 pm

Saw this on Cocesna's web page FRS ICAO code will change from MGTK to MGMM on Jan 12, 2012. SUP A32/11 says that it's so the code can be in line with the airport's name Mundo Maya. So many things will have to change then because supposedly MGMM was assigned to the town of Melchor de Mencos.

[Edited 2011-12-07 11:12:17]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:42 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
isn't that area also good as extra remote positions?

Yes but there is sufficient unutilized/underutilized real estate elsewhere.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
Did COOPESA threaten the Chinchilla government to move out of Costa Rica if they didn't get that piece of land

No.. in fact one of their arguments against relocating to LIR was that “es imposible movilizar a 950 familias que tienen su vida hecha en el Valle Central" so a threat like that would be laughable.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
Why Chinchilla and others didn't forcibly entice COOPESA to re-locate to LIR?

The short answer is that MOPT (Ministerio de Obras Públicas y Transportes) is one of the most atrophied government entities (and a hotbed of incompetence, improvisation, and corruption) while COOPESA successfully played the political and public relations game, and has kept MOPT/CETAC at bay through years of contencioso–administrativo ligitation.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:15 am

Since it's reported that UA will have to suspend IAH-CCS due to UA lack of operation permits in Venezuela (those are Contiental's acocording to Venezuelan officials), it's expected UA IAH-PTY and CM PTY-CCS fights will face a sudden demand increase.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:14 am

Flashback.

Continental Airlines' Central American route system on July 01st 1994.



CO IAH-BZE; 5x weekly
CO IAH-GUA; 3x weekly
CO IAH-GUA-MGA; 4x weekly
CO IAH-SAL; 7x weekly
CO IAH-TGU-SAP-IAH; 7x weekly
CO IAH-SJO-CLO; 4x weekly
CO IAH-SJO-BAQ; 3x weekly
CO IAH-PTY-UIO; 4x weekly
CO IAH-PTY-GYE; 3x weekly

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:44 pm

Just back from ROUTES in SJU....things look to get very interesting in C. America in 2012. There is going to be a mad dash!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 24):
C. America in 2012. There is going to be a mad dash!

We always look forward to announcements re long–awaited routes and new players!   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 24):
Just back from ROUTES in SJU....things look to get very interesting in C. America in 2012


Let me read between the lines: it was rumored that B6 is planning to develop a base in Puerto Rico and the Central American airports might be forming part of this new expansion.
Moreover, CM PTY-SJU 14x weekly is presumably doing a good job there.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:29 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 26):
B6 is planning to develop a base in Puerto Rico and the Central American airports might be forming part of this new expansion.

that's sound good !! a bit of healthy competition won't hurt the consumers  

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:49 pm

Today evening will arrive in Panama via MAD Manuel Noriega on the IB flight # 6345

I'm bit surprise that IB accepted to bring this infamaus guy on their regular flight considering he is basically transfered from a jail in France into a jail in Panama... is this normal ??? how dangerous can be having this type of people on intercontinental flights???

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:21 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 28):
Today evening will arrive in Panama via MAD Manuel Noriega on the IB flight # 6345

It happens that criminals are flown on commercial flights when deported or transferred from one jail to another.
In this specific high-profile case, and as a matter of personal opinion, I'd have expected the Panamanian government to send the famous new presidential plane to pick up and fly back Noriega to PTY (or PAC).
Why??
Out of a routing point of view, there are no PAR-PTY non-stop or direct flights.
To avoid nasty encounters with upset passengers inside the aircraft while in flight.
He's a high profile "celebrity".
His age and health condition.
Easy access from PAC Albrook airport than from PTY to Renecer Penitentiary.

And there's something I don't understand, even if he's flying commercial, How come NOBODY has paid for his upgrade to Business Class so he could fly comfortably, given his age and health?.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 29):

Why the Panamanian Goverment have to pay Business Class to him?
He is going to jail, he don't deserve to fly in bussines.
Anyway , I don't think that we, Panamanian agree with you.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 22):

In the end, I don't think that they will stop flying this route.
I checked some days ago and they continue flying this route.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:19 pm

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 30):
Why the Panamanian Goverment have to pay Business Class to him?
He is going to jail, he don't deserve to fly in bussines.
Anyway , I don't think that we, Panamanian agree with you.

I said NOBODY as nobody from his friends, colleagues and family. Suddenly he has no friends who care we travels comfortably. Daughters and wife don't care their ill dad is flying economy?
I'd not want our government to pay his business class ticket at all even if I strongly believe that our government doesn't handle its finances in the most transparent way and lots of our money it just thrown away in non-essential stuff..

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 30):
In the end, I don't think that they will stop flying this route.
I checked some days ago and they continue flying this route.

Yes UA is operating the route as the only route in their network still bearing CO call sign.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 28):
Today evening will arrive in Panama via MAD Manuel Noriega on the IB flight # 6345

I'm bit surprise that IB accepted to bring this infamaus guy

Hasn't he suffered enough?!!! Subject him to IB "service?"

(Just Kidding  Wink)

[Edited 2011-12-11 09:25:31]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 28):
IB flight # 6345

No info on registration but aircraft seems to have departed MAD at 13:57 local (07:57 hora de Panamá)

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 29):
from PTY to Renacer Penitentiary

I heard the Policía Nacional will take no chances with a motorcade so a helicopter will shuttle him nonstop.



Quoting mt99 (Reply 32):
Hasn't he suffered enough?!!! Subject him to IB "service?"

Good one.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:03 pm

Panama to increase security @ PTY from www.tvn-2.com in Spanish.
Panama government is to increase security because Noriega's return on an IB flight later today.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:05 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 27):
a bit of healthy competition won't hurt the consumers


It's still unclear how B6 might deploy these intended services through San Juan.
Furthermore, connecting Central America to the United States mainland through Puerto Rico means a large detour and it looks unappealing when compared to the other services supplied by their competitors.

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Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 33):
Hasn't he suffered enough?!!! Subject him to IB "service?"

gorgeos  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:09 am

Spanair interested in PTY From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
CM PTY hub has awaken Spanair interest to fly to the region. That airline directors met with Panamanian officials last week on an Incentive Travel event in Barcelona.
Both Spanair and CM are Star Alliance members.

CM doesn't codeshare on IB PTY-MAD route, but lots of IB passengers are actually connecting to/from CM flights. However CM does have something going on w/ IB Cargo.
Another player coming in the MAD-PTY route may upset IB yields. Interesting would be to see if Spanair goes for BCN-PTY w/CM codeshare and not MAD-PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:29 am

Rumor: TACA might operate the SAL-UIO non-stop route in the future as complement of TA SAL-GYE 3x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
CM are Star Alliance members.


Not yet.
I share the idea that PTY is point of dispatch of regional flights to Europe on Star Alliance, taking into account that LH is also demonstrating interest in operating flights to Central America later.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:49 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 38):
I share the idea that PTY is point of dispatch of regional flights to Europe on Star Alliance, taking into account that LH is also demonstrating interest in operating flights to Central America later.

And I wonder how JK is going to do since they no longer have any aircraft with the range to fly non-stop between Spain and PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:57 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
Interesting would be to see if Spanair goes for BCN-PTY w/CM codeshare and not MAD-PTY.

Wouldn't SQ operating a SIN-BCN-PTY route be more practical with a JK code-share linking three Star hubs?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:03 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 40):
Wouldn't SQ operating a SIN-BCN-PTY route be more practical with a JK code-share linking three Star hubs?

that's an excellent idea  


Yesterday I heard on local radio that the IB airplane where Noriega come on Sunday was not able to return to MAD on the same day, is this right ?   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:17 pm

deleted due to double post....


filler

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:38 pm

The Direccion General de Aviacion Civil de Costa Rica argues that the new ticketing building in Liberia has not come yet into commercial operation due to the lack of the upgraded drawings known in terms of the civil engineering as the "as built" documents.
The attached press release also suggests that by 2012 LIR would experience direct flights from Panama and Argentina.

http://www.nacion.com/2011-12-13/ElP...r-nuevo-aeropuerto-de-liberia.aspx


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:15 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
CM PTY hub has awaken Spanair interest to fly to the region.

Didn't know that JK flew over the Atlantic.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 43):
direct flights from Panama

This comes as no surprise and CM (with its sprawling SouthAm network and prior experience serving Caribbean leisure markets) is poised to do extremely well in LIR.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
Didn't know that JK flew over the Atlantic.

JK did it when they had B767-300ER.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 40):
Wouldn't SQ operating a SIN-BCN-PTY route be more practical with a JK code-share linking three Star hubs?

Quite an interesting out-of-the-box suggestion from a extremely unexpected source.

PTY airlines against new passenger security fee From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
PTY airport board approved a new USD2.50 passenger security fee to be paid by the airlines operating @ PTY.
The new fee is for every passengers boarding disembarking, connecting or transiting PTY.
Panama airlines association chief stated that the airlines will charge the passengers the new fee and complained that transit passengers would have to pay it. (i think he meant connecting passengers as there is a difference between connecting and transiting passengers).
PTY management hopes to collect USD15 million from that new fee next year and USD35 million 2015 if passengers numbers increase as expected.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:03 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
Didn't know that JK flew over the Atlantic.

JK was a 763 operator some years ago. I remember Cuba within their overseas destinations, although the airline no longer operates wide-body equipments. Some photos are loaded into the database.
Air Europa also negotiated the opening of services heading to Panama City when CM was a SkyTeam associated airline.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 45):
CM (with its sprawling SouthAm network and prior experience serving Caribbean leisure markets) is poised to do extremely well in LIR.

CM PTY-LIR will defenitely operate very soon, which also means the opening of the South American traffic to Guanacaste.
Copa Airlines has successfully developed this scheme in various stations belonging to the Caribbean: SDQ, HAV, PUJ, POS and so on.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
CM PTY-LIR will defenitely operate very soon, which also means the opening of the South American traffic to Guanacaste.

If they add LIR only two (tourist) markets left on any size in C. America will be RTB and BZE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45

Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:43 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 10):
the history of BAL is sketchy..but I do recall flying them to MIA. I believe they had 4 707s

Belize Airways Limited, established in 1976.
Pax Routes MIA, BZE, SAP
Cargo Route MBJ and Charters
BAL had 5 Boeing 720 all have names eg.

Belize City - VP - HCO
Belmopan - VP - HCM
Dangriga - VP - HCP
Altun Ha - VP - HCA "Cargo"
Xunantunich - VP - HCQ"Cargo"


Belize Airways Limited was setup to bring tourist to Belize like how Gordon "Butch" Stewart use JM to bring tourist to Jamaica. A few local Belizean businessmen came up with the plan/capital and try to get the government help fund the remaining balance for the project. But at the end of the day the government could not commit to the project so the businessmen enlisted the help of a Honduras businessman who had knowledge of tourism/resorts to help backup the airline. The airline started off good but as time carry on TACA file a lawsuit saying that BAL was not a Belizean airline and should not have landing right as a Belizean carrier due to the face the Honduras businessman had a major stake in the company. The Florida courts workout a temporary agreement that BAL had to shift more ownership to Belizean which the airline never met the deadline and had to shutdown.

[Edited 2011-12-13 16:46:28]
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