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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:08 am

To my knowledge, DIA was the last new airport-from-scratch to open in the USA. Does anyone think that there will be another in the next ten years? Is there a need? Where would be the logistically logical place to build it? If this was the subject of any other recent threads, which I have not seen, please forgive me.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:14 am

I think that Branson was the last new airport built from scratch
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:17 am

I could very well see MSP being a new, scratch, from airport in the next 20-30 years, longer term. The Lindbergh terminal is aging, and it shows it, although MAC keeps up, and I could see the existing airfield being used for the Humphrey Terminal... You can only replace the carpet and ceiling tiles so many times..
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:28 am

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 2):
I could very well see MSP being a new, scratch, from airport in the next 20-30 years, longer term.

I really doubt that the city of Minneapolis would get an entirely new airport. Where would the city put the new airport? If I am interrupting the question of the original poster correctly, he is asking an entirely new airport, including runways, taxiways, etc. In light of that, the current MSP airport has a great set of infrastructure (runways, taxiways, parking garages, ATC tower, etc) that would not be worth demolishing or creating a new airport.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:37 am

ECP seems to think they are the newest. Probably correct!

From their website:
Welcome to Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport (ECP), the first international airport to be built in the U.S. in more than a decade. Our new airport, opened on May 23, 2010, is located in West Bay, near Panama City and Panama City Beach, and serves as a gateway to Northwest Florida and its beautiful world-famous beaches. Beaches International proudly serves Southwest Airlines and Delta Airlines, which together provide daily flights to key U.S. destinations, including cities serving as international gateways.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:37 am

Quoting amccann (Reply 3):
I really doubt that the city of Minneapolis would get an entirely new airport. Where would the city put the new airport? If I am interrupting the question of the original poster correctly, he is asking an entirely new airport, including runways, taxiways, etc. In light of that, the current MSP airport has a great set of infrastructure (runways, taxiways, parking garages, ATC tower, etc) that would not be worth demolishing or creating a new airport.

It would not be in the city of Minneapolis, nor is the current airport, it would likely be in the north or southern burbs. The Lindbergh terminal is from the 1960's, and many face lifts have occured. It would indeed be like DIA, out in the middle of nowehre.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:45 am

Panama city Florida KECP opened May of last year and St. George Utah KSGU opened earlier this year.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:55 am

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I think the next new US airport will be somewhere in the Inland Empire.. it won't be huge or anything. Probably on a scale similar to ONT or SNA. It'd really help us IE-ians out. Driving to LAX is an ordeal, SNA/ONT/SAN are only an hour away, but the flights are relatively limited in routing.. and they're usually more expensive. It'd be nice to be able to have flights to SEA, PDX, PHX, DIA, etc. I'd imagine that (unfortunately) the airport would be named something like Obama International Airport, or something..

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:13 am

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 5):
It would not be in the city of Minneapolis, nor is the current airport, it would likely be in the north or southern burbs. The Lindbergh terminal is from the 1960's, and many face lifts have occured. It would indeed be like DIA, out in the middle of nowehre.

Regardless, the need for a new "Minneapolis" is not there. The current airport functions just fine as is, the only issues you have listed are cosmetic. One of the reasons Denver replaced Stapleton with the current Denver International Airport was the incredibly poor airport layout and therefore inefficiency of Stapleton, as well as the lack of capacity. Minneapolis does not face either of those issues at the moment.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:59 am

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 4):
ECP seems to think they are the newest. Probably correct!

From their website:
Welcome to Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport (ECP), the first international airport to be built in the U.S. in more than a decade. Our new airport, opened on May 23, 2010, is located in West Bay, near Panama City

I'm glad they said International... my first through was Branson has been built within the last ten years.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
I think the next new US airport will be somewhere in the Inland Empire.. it won't be huge or anything. Probably on a scale similar to ONT or SNA. It'd really help us IE-ians out.

I think you have to use ONT first.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:37 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 1):
I think that Branson was the last new airport built from scratch

Nope, St. George Municipal Airport, DXZ, was opened Jan 13, 2011.

I'm guessing the DXZ is because it's in Utah's "Dixie."

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):

Inland Empire??? ONT has tumbleweeds blowing across it, Riverside I believe built a new terminal which has seen no one use it or even serve the airport. Why on earth would they build a new airport?
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:40 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 10):
Nope, St. George Municipal Airport, DXZ, was opened Jan 13, 2011.

I'm guessing the DXZ is because it's in Utah's "Dixie."

That sure is pretty recent. It should basically be called skywest field thats pretty much the reason it exists.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:38 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 4):
ECP seems to think they are the newest. Probably correct!

And what a disaster of a design for a new airport.

Terrible entry into TSA (even after they fixed it once) that causes passengers to be backed up into the centre of main lobby area. TSA is very slow, as many of the customers are once a year leisure travellers (the target market for St Joe's land holding plans) who are not familiar with the procedures. On one occasion it took the person in front of me over 4 minutes just to get through the Xray.

The access to the jetway at Gate 4 (DL mainline) requires a contortionist's twist between the desk and a railing! There is limited seating at the gate, as it appears the concourse space was used more for concessions (which is probably not a bad tradeoff from the airport's financial point of view).

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:03 pm

The answer is "wherever there is a fundamentally flawed airport in an area of very fast growth." Off the top of my head, I can't think of any such places, but there are plenty of parts of the country I don't know very well.

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
I think the next new US airport will be somewhere in the Inland Empire.

Nothing of that nature will happen in California until growth returns to the state. My personal opinion is that a constitutional convention will have to happen before the state can become healthy again. Right now it is legally impossible for the legislature to pass a responsible budget.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:33 pm

No one has mentioned Ivanpah - Las Vegas.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:43 pm

Albeit not "new" Phoenix Mesa I believe is the fastest growing (pax wise)
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:30 pm

Chicago Peotone is still an ongoing project AFAIK. A lot of land has been acquired already, and as recently as earlier this year Illinois Governor Pat Quinn announced his intention to start construction “as fast as humanly possible”.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting PillowTester (Reply 17):

Chicago Peotone is still an ongoing project AFAIK. A lot of land has been acquired already, and as recently as earlier this year Illinois Governor Pat Quinn announced his intention to start construction “as fast as humanly possible”.

According to Wikipedia: In June 2011, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood noted that there has been little call in Washington for the Peotone airport compared to the support for the O'Hare expansion.

It seems expansion of the current airports in the Chicago area ( ORD , GYY , MKE ) and improving infrastructure around them is garnering more Federal support at the moment.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:01 pm

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 5):
It would indeed be like DIA, out in the middle of nowehre.

Which would be horrible. It is hard to imagine actual concrete reasons for doing that. Want a new terminal (why?), then fine, build one, SXM just did, as did SJO, JFK, and so on.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:21 pm

XNA was built after DEN opened up.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:17 pm

Quoting articulatexpat (Reply 15):
No one has mentioned Ivanpah - Las Vegas.

I was about to. This is easily the most likely candidate out there, as it is said that LAS is near capacity. However, T3 is about to open, and there is spare capacity on the A gates with US dehubbing and moving to D. I don't think its going to be built as soon as its been talked about, but it will be built, and given there isn't much NIMBYism out in the proposed location, it shouldn't have too many issues getting approvals.

In the shorter term, this isn't a new airfield, but look for MCI to build a brand new terminal in the coming years to replace to the terminals they have now, which were obsolete when they opened, thanks to the airport listening to TWA, and then having TWA change their mind after the terminals were built.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:30 pm

Having lives in the MSP area for a while I do recall discussion about a future airport being discussed for the southeastern suburbs. Somewhere in the area of Coates with access to Highway 52. This would serve as a reliever for the faster growing suburbs. I believe that demographers have pegged Lakeville as being the fastest growing area with the largest amount of undeveloped property and it will only get harder to get to MSP. Nothing but cornfields now, but in the future?. Longterm I believe that this is likely as MSP is pretty much fully developed and landlocked is it not? But anything would be at least 2 decades away and by that time the metro area could have added another 1-2 million people. They need to fly out of somewhere.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:41 pm

Difficult to think of any more "inner city" airports like Stapleton that need replacing. LAS and Ivanpah was mentioned, but LAS seems to have room for now. Phoenix was considering a brand new airport out in the desert, but now they have IWN. Palmdale was supposed to replace/augment LAX, but there's still capacity + ONT. ATL is hemmed in, eventually all that infrastructure will be exceeded and old, and a new site might be considered. STL bulged out into a new runway but has entire concourses vacant. Miami is likewise landlocked and dated, but options are poor: Everglades jetport was terminated in the 70s. And then there's JFK/LGA/EWR... Stewart just doesn't seem have enough land to me to become a major airport, but there's no chance of building a new airport city in the NJ swamps, pine barrens, or off shore.

I was thinking of some resort areas that might find a need for new or more air service... and I can't think of any. I have looked for sites for a Summit County airport in Colorado to serve Keystone, Breckenridge, and Copper, for direct flights not to Denver and to save driving the winter passes/tunnels for those so inclined. But that's just me. I haven't bought any land yet.  

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:52 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 4):
From their website:
Welcome to Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport (ECP), the first international airport to be built in the U.S. in more than a decade. Our new airport, opened on May 23, 2010, is located in West Bay, near Panama City and Panama City Beach, and serves as a gateway to Northwest Florida and its beautiful world-famous beaches. Beaches International proudly serves Southwest Airlines and Delta Airlines, which together provide daily flights to key U.S. destinations, including cities serving as international gateways.

Hope somebody tips them off that it's Delta Air Lines (3 words).
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:29 pm

This is very out-there but a suggestion nonetheless:

LAX and JFK.

LAX has a decent runway organization system, but the terminals are a mess. No simple connection system between terminals is possible like other (smaller) airports within the US. I doubt they have room to install such walkways, which is perhaps the reason it should be reconsidered altogether.

JFK has multiple issues. Some of the terminals are outdated, the runway organization is a multi-directional mess of crossings (which also I can imagine increases the likelihood of delays for both landing and departing) and I recall someone on here claiming that is also has connection pitfalls similar to LAX in some terminals.

Another factor that, in my opinion, strikes them both (however not important you may see it) would be the looks. These are major US airports that connect to far ends of the earth, and yet we don't seem to remotely care about impression. On any trip between Europe and the US, I always found virtually every single corner of Europe that was "brand-new" years ahead of any American creation. LHR T5, to me, was a work of art. Terminal D at my hometown DFW airport is quite nice and I prefer to use it anytime I fly out, but parts just don't seem to compete. LAX and JFK, while parts of them look "new" and "modern," are highly disappointing compared to the rest of the world.


Another side question I would like to ask: why are there no glass jetways within the US? Do airports just not want to clean them or is there a regulation on these products?
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 21):
I was about to. This is easily the most likely candidate out there, as it is said that LAS is near capacity. However, T3 is about to open, and there is spare capacity on the A gates with US dehubbing and moving to D. I don't think its going to be built as soon as its been talked about, but it will be built, and given there isn't much NIMBYism out in the proposed location, it shouldn't have too many issues getting approvals.

I think the new T3 at LAS plus the dehubbing by US provides enough space at LAS for at least the next 10+ years. Of course, that is at least as long as it will take to get a new one approved. I wish that just because the proposed replacement is 'in the middle of nowhere; that there won't be too many issues with approvals. However, from someone who builds projects in the middle of nowhere...I'll nearly guarantee a myriad of protests of various types for all sorts of 'causes'. You'll be amazed at what particular type of special critter will be on the proposed site and the hoops, loops and lawsuits that will need to be jumped through, and that doesn't even start on water use, cultural, visual, noise, pollution etc in the 'pristine' desert...a never ending list of special interests.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:41 pm

I do believe back in the late 90's or maybe early 2000's there was talk of completely re-locating MSP out to the south suburbs by Lakeville, but evetually the MAC decided to stay put and expand the terminals and also built the new western runway
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:11 pm

With all the discussion of MSP, I'd be saddened to see a new int'l airport built in a completely different location in Minneapolis-St. Paul. I was at MSP (I agree, the Lindberg Terminal is in need of attention), but with all that it's close to, especially Mall of America, I'd hate to see something generating so much traffic and contribute so much to its immediate economy ultimately move to another part of the metro area.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 25):


JFK has multiple issues. Some of the terminals are outdated, the runway organization is a multi-directional mess of crossings (which also I can imagine increases the likelihood of delays for both landing and departing) and I recall someone on here claiming that is also has connection pitfalls similar to LAX in some terminals.

JFK's bigger problem is that LGA exists and takes away airspace that would otherwise be used for JFK flights. Without LGA, you could easily do parallel approaches to the 13's as well as the 31s, not to mention it would give them much more flexibility with departures, allowing departures to run more smoothly. The runway layout is not as bad as it seems, but it is magnified big time because of LGA.

As for LAX, there were plans floated sometime ago to completely gut all the terminals save for the TBIT and rebuild them into an ATL or DEN style layout, which I believe would solve a lot of the problems you mention. However, NIMBY's killed this (for what reason I do not know, because it wouldn't have added any capacity, and with more widebody gates, you may actually see a reduction in departures) and instead we have the TBIT being renovated, but very little else, and its not efficient at all, and actually cost us more taxpayer money because of all the extra TSA equipment and personnel that are required.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:32 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
As for LAX, there were plans floated sometime ago to completely gut all the terminals save for the TBIT and rebuild them into an ATL or DEN style layout, which I believe would solve a lot of the problems you mention. However, NIMBY's killed this (for what reason I do not know, because it wouldn't have added any capacity, and with more widebody gates, you may actually see a reduction in departures) and instead we have the TBIT being renovated, but very little else, and its not efficient at all, and actually cost us more taxpayer money because of all the extra TSA equipment and personnel that are required.

I've always understood that LAX works well for the O&D passenger, which makes up the bulk of the traffic, I think. I used to fly out of LAX on occasion, just show up at your terminal and do your thing, which lacked the overwhelming "big airport" scene at DEN, DFW, ATL, or ORD. As for transfers between terminals, I can see it being less convenient, but not unsolvable, most transfers apart from international would be within terminal anyhow. LAX serves its local population, its direct taxpayers, reasonably well, I think. That should be the design priority, unless the main purpose of the airport is to be a wayport.

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Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:56 pm

Well there is a new one under construction I believe. Maybe not where you were thinking though!

Akutan, Alaska  

Sure, it may not be a major new hub but, hey! Probably the closest we get to ever see it might be on some tv series about brave Alaskan fisherman someday.

http://www.adn.com/2010/02/23/115396...ew-airport-planned-for-akutan.html

http://dot.alaska.gov/creg/akutan/assets/Akutan_ind_brief_present1.pdf
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:30 pm

What about San Diego? I thought there was talk about moving the airport out to Miramar NAS.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting ck8msp (Reply 22):
Somewhere in the area of Coates with access to Highway 52

I can't seem to imagine this scenario, what with RST (Rochester, Minn.) being relatively close by....?
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 32):
What about San Diego? I thought there was talk about moving the airport out to Miramar

Miramar is actually a USMC air station (not an NAS). I'm tempted to say "SAN will move to Miramar when LAX moves to El Toro." (translation: "Not going to happen").

However, as we speak, bulldozers are knocking down and carrying out on the north side of SAN for improved car parking; improved RON space, and extensions to Terminal 2.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 33):

Quoting ck8msp (Reply 22):
Somewhere in the area of Coates with access to Highway 52

I can't seem to imagine this scenario, what with RST (Rochester, Minn.) being relatively close by....?

You would have to say the same about STC to the north then. So where do they go? West?
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:59 am

Quoting amccann (Reply 8):
Regardless, the need for a new "Minneapolis" is not there. The current airport functions just fine as is, the only issues you have listed are cosmetic.

Agreed. In all reality, the Humphrey could be expanded to accommodate the non-Skyteam/Delta carriers. This would create enough breathing room to rebuild the existing Lindbergh, one concourse at a time. Might be a 1-12 year project, but it's doable. The A/B/C concourses really don't need rebuilt at this time.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:18 am

Not really "new" but:
SWF with fast rail link to Manhattan? and/or maybe an improved ISP with dedicated rail link to Queens or Brooklyn and Manhattan?
Improved GYY for Chicagoland?
Improved AUS + hIgh-speed rail between AUS and San Antonio, SAT becomes smaller sort of a LGA/DCA/DAL restricted operations airport.
But a totally new airport built from scratch? Other than an airport for San Diego (which has an option to built a U.S. terminal @ TIJ) it's quite hard to imagine which major U.S. metro area really needs one.
Could think of STT, but finding space on that island for a new + better airport, tough, and for sure, U.S, taxpayers won't like the idea of a KIX/NGO/HKG man-made island airport.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting LV (Reply 9):
I think you have to use ONT first.

Exactly.

Quoting articulatexpat (Reply 15):

No one has mentioned Ivanpah - Las Vegas.

I think that plan is on hold indefinitely.

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
As for LAX, there were plans floated sometime ago to completely gut all the terminals save for the TBIT and rebuild them into an ATL or DEN style layout,

Actually, that wasn't the real plan.

The plan was to rebuild T1/T2/T3 as interconnected in the way T5-8 (and formerly T4) are. Then, the West Gates would be build in an ATL/IAD/DEN style behind Bradley. The plan also included adding a 5th runway of 6000-7000 feet to use for smaller commercial and GA aircraft. Would have meant in excess of 90 million capacity.

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 32):
What about San Diego? I thought there was talk about moving the airport out to Miramar NAS.

The Miramar plans existed for years and would be perfect. The City and military did a good job in screwing them up.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):
Miramar is actually a USMC air station (not an NAS).

It was an NAS for years.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:26 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 1):
I think that Branson was the last new airport built from scratch

Speaking of Branson's, how about Richard Branson's new pet project? I know the name is Spaceport America, but doesn't it also count as an airport?
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:33 am

Quoting rampart (Reply 30):
I've always understood that LAX works well for the O&D passenger, which makes up the bulk of the traffic,

Not really. Many of the terminals (yes, I'm looking at you Terminal 1) are cramped, short on concessions and generally feature long lines. Moreover, the traffic flow outside is horrendous (a rental car pickup for a WN passenger or dropoff for a UA passenger can entail a 30 minute bus ride).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
Improved AUS + hIgh-speed rail between AUS and San Antonio, SAT becomes smaller sort of a LGA/DCA/DAL restricted operations airport.

What purpose would that serve (besides being a boondagle)? SAT isn't a very nice airport, but what harm does it do?
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:40 am

I have a hard time seeing anything happening on this front. Proposals for new airports in major metro areas are almost always met with intense hostility unless they're being built in really remote areas, and those aren't exactly a dime a dozen in dense urban amalgamations. Heck, just trying to relieve stress at existing airports by utilizing other suitable facilities in the region gets a pretty harsh response from NIMBYS and it generally takes the existing airport operating to the maximum extent of its capabilities for anything to happen...
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:13 am

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mid America Airport sharing space with Scott AFB on the Illinois side of St. Louis. Wasn't that supposed to hold big promise? I'm just surprised AMC didn't turn it into a new pax terminal as Scott AFB is the HQ.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:15 am

Quoting xtoler (Reply 42):
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mid America Airport sharing space with Scott AFB on the Illinois side of St. Louis. Wasn't that supposed to hold big promise? I'm just surprised AMC didn't turn it into a new pax terminal as Scott AFB is the HQ.

I don't know much about it, but I remember it being the subject of several "...and YOU paid for it." news pieces shortly after it opened and failed to attract much in the way of service.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:15 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):

However, as we speak, bulldozers are knocking down and carrying out on the north side of SAN for improved car parking; improved RON space, and extensions to Terminal 2.

What they need is another runway, but unless they happen to discover more land near SAN it won't happen until they build a new airport.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
Not really. Many of the terminals (yes, I'm looking at you Terminal 1) are cramped, short on concessions and generally feature long lines. Moreover, the traffic flow outside is horrendous (a rental car pickup for a WN passenger or dropoff for a UA passenger can entail a 30 minute bus ride).

WN made its own mess at T1. They were offered a chance to move but didn't want to pay for it. I'm hoping the day comes when LAWA tells WN to either pay for a move to another terminal or limit their operations. In the mornings and evenings traffic at T1 will back up before you're even on World Way. WN doesn't have that large a presence compared to AA and UA but still manages to make a mess of the entire airport. Nothing against them, but it's like they're trying to run an international airport sized operation out of a regional airport, and that's not LAWA's fault.

I'll agree about the concessions though. Can't count the number of times I've been stuck in T6-8 for hours at a time, and the only decent thing to eat was McDs or LaBrea Bakery. I mean would it kill to get a Chili's or something?
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:19 am

Quoting boilerla (Reply 44):
I'm hoping the day comes when LAWA tells WN to either pay for a move to another terminal or limit their operations. In the mornings and evenings traffic at T1 will back up before you're even on World Way.

I'm having trouble seeing your point. LAWA would put WN out for using their gates appropriately - unlike most carriers at most airports. Heaven forbid they are going to run mainline out of each of their gates all day every day.

Wasn't Terminal 1 designed to have a mainline aircraft on every gate?
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RE: The Next New USA Airport?

Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:27 am

While not an entirely new airport from scratch built on the fringes of urban sprawl, the airport likely to see the most new construction with respect to terminals, concourses and runways will be SLC over the next decade or so. The SLC Department of Airports is finishing an environmental review for a new terminal and set of concourses that will ultimately replace the present structures, not to mention an additional runway to the west of 16L-34R that will require the relocation of a number of businesses in the International Center to the west. Also a complete realignment of runway 17-35 is part of the master-plan. The present facility was designed to handle only about 10 million passengers annually, and the airport has been at or close to 20 million since 2005.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:51 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
Not really. Many of the terminals (yes, I'm looking at you Terminal 1) are cramped, short on concessions and generally feature long lines.

Um, the terminals work fine for the nature of the airport. Again, its about O&D. You don't need nearly as many concessions or as much space when people are spending less time at the airport.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
Moreover, the traffic flow outside is horrendous (a rental car pickup for a WN passenger or dropoff for a UA passenger can entail a 30 minute bus ride).

30 minutes is a reach, unless you rent from some random, fly-by-night rental agency.

I regularly park in a lot just off the Century Blvd. exit from the 405 on La Cienega. The shuttle takes no more than 10 minutes to get me to the United side of T6.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 44):
I'll agree about the concessions though. Can't count the number of times I've been stuck in T6-8 for hours at a time, and the only decent thing to eat was McDs or LaBrea Bakery. I mean would it kill to get a Chili's or something?

1) In what way is McDonald's "decent?"

2) How about Wolfgang Puck? Baja Fresh Express? Gordon Biersch?

3) T6 is in line to get substantially upgraded food concessions with the renovations.

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Wasn't Terminal 1 designed to have a mainline aircraft on every gate?

Yep. It was designed primarily for PSA and finished in 1984.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
You don't need nearly as many concessions or as much space when people are spending less time at the airport.

No, but a 20 minute wait at Starbucks (common at T-1 in the mornings) isn't really acceptable, and the security line issue in some terminals (not to mention traffic on the 405) makes it tough to arrive at LAX just in time.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
30 minutes is a reach, unless you rent from some random, fly-by-night rental agency.

The last time I arrived on WN (about 2030 Local), I spent 27 minutes on the Hertz bus. It was longer than usual, to be sure, but when compared to the nice consolidated facilities that many peer airports have put up (PHX - though the bus connection there is suboptimal - and SFO come to mind), the LAX setup is uncompetitive.
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RE: The Next New USA Airport?

Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 12):
That sure is pretty recent. It should basically be called skywest field thats pretty much the reason it exists.

Public Airports aren't built for the sole intent of having one airline serve it. By your logic, you might as well call ECP Southwest Field, since they were the only biters when it opened.

DXZ was built to allow larger aircraft to fly to the city. The old airport was landlocked, and the only aircraft that could operate into the airport under part 121 just so happened to be the E-120 (a 737 could fly into it, but not with passengers.)

Now that the new airport has been built, several charters utilizing 737 aircraft have flown through the airport. And the opportunity for other carriers to start service is open as well, if they so desire.
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