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Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:31 am

4 December 1991 Pan Am last flight. Where did the years go.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:32 am

R.I.P Pan Am. You are missed.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:48 am

Glad someone remembered. I had that on my agenda for today as well.

Yes, indeed, one of the pioneers of aviation gone forever. Germany owes a lot to PanAm, especially Belrin for which it was the home carrier, together with BEA. I should be in Belrin today and raise the glass and the place to do that is the PanAm Lounge.

PanAm had style, PanAm had class, too bad they fell victim of over regulation even in de regulation.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:15 am

Wow, 20 years already. I still remember hearing the news on the BBC on the radio in my hotel room in Amsterdam that night.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:39 am

20 years! I thought they only cancelled it a week ago   ! It's a shame they aren't around! I would have loved to flown one of the original powerhouses of the industry.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:03 am

I remember hearing about Pan Am going out of business, then seeing it on the news. I remember seeing on the news, a man crying about not being able to fly, to see ether a friend or a family member. Not to long after that, I saw an A300 or A310 with the Pan Am livery scrubbed off, on approach to runway 25 at LAX. In 1992, I started seeing DL A310s coming into LAX, and I thought DL caught the Airbus bug like AA, who operated their A306s to LAX around that time. I believe, It did not hit me until, I read a book about Pan Am, that those DL A310s, was ex Pan Am A310s.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:46 am

33 years to the day today, since I joined Pan Am at LHR. Sadly on my 13th anniversary, they closed down....always missed, never replicated....always loved.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:17 pm

I miss this great American Airline terribly. Only if the 1989 merger with Northwest had worked out...
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:23 pm

I still remember when in 1990 I was working as an Art Director on the AA account that a manager told me as a "secret" I should by Pan Am stocks as they would rise massively soon as AA is taking over the company!

Also a client of mine died aboard PA103 in 1988.

I cant remember though the exact day when Pan Am shut down, as thatw as in a time I wasnt too much into aviation.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:15 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Only if the 1989 merger with Northwest had worked out...

I think it would've brought down both NWA and Pan Am. Pretty hard to believe the banks were interested in what Plaskett was selling at the time. They also tried to get UA, DL and TW to buy them near the end, all were not really interested.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:29 pm

Very sad indeed.

I flew Pan Am for the first time back in 1988. First time to the USA and first time on a B747 ... Exciting stuff for a kid back then ! I flew them again in 1990. Some of their last years of operation. Wish they were still around ...
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:31 pm

The aircraft that operated Pan Am's last flight (BGI-MIA). It was one of the last few passenger 727s built, delivered to Pan Am May 26, 1982.


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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:44 pm

I feel very fortunate to have been able to add Pan Am, the real Pan Am not the later fakes, to the list of carriers I've had the pleasure to fly. I flew EWR-TPA on a Pan Am DC-10 and TPA-EWR on a Pan Am L1011 in the early '80s ('81, '82 or '83). On the return flight I sat across several former Yankee's including Yogi Berra, My Grand Parents had me take pictures with several of them while waiting for the flight in TPA. I think Yogi might have been the Manager of the Yankees at that time. Don't know where the photos are today.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:11 pm

I flew a lot of JFK-GIG trips on PA's 747SP in the 70's.

What an experience -- upper deck fine dining (shirts and ties for the gentlemen. please).

Sorry those days are gone. Where have the years gone?
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:50 pm

I have a giant slice of a Pan Am 707 fuselage in my living room with the "correct" blue stripe and window. It's in perfect shiny condition. It was not inexpensive  

Today I am 50 but shedding a tear. Nothing was more exciting than boarding a PanAm 747, I can recall the smell, the seats, the bulkhead design and walking up Park Ave everyday and seeing the PAN AM windswept letters on top of the PanAm building with the giant PA helicopter taking off for JFK.

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Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:59 pm

I still remember flying back on the HKG-TYO-SFO route on a Pan Am 747-100 in 1970 and 1971 (remember, this was when Haneda was the only major airport in the Tokyo area). The food was great, and I still remember the comfortable seating, too.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:36 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 9):

For you 'older' folk, care to school a young aviation geek on how the final year and a half or so went down with PanAm, specifically the financial side. I know towards the end, DL pretty much fed them to the final hour but decided to pull the plug, or something like that from what I've read.

Thanks in advance guys!
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
For you 'older' folk, care to school a young aviation geek on how the final year and a half or so went down with PanAm, specifically the financial side. I know towards the end, DL pretty much fed them to the final hour but decided to pull the plug, or something like that from what I've read.



From what I remember, DL was talking to PA about buying their European routes. The talks were going on for several months and then all of a sudden, DL decided NOT to buy the routes. As you mentioned, DL had been giving money to PA so that they could keep operating. When DL decided not to buy the European routes, PA shut down.

Then DL got the routes and some of PA's fleet much cheaper when it all was liquidated........

I guess DL has a lot to do with putting the final nail in the coffin of PA, at least that's how I remember it.

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Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:52 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
From what I remember, DL was talking to PA about buying their European routes. The talks were going on for several months and then all of a sudden, DL decided NOT to buy the routes. As you mentioned, DL had been giving money to PA so that they could keep operating. When DL decided not to buy the European routes, PA shut down.

Are you sure about that? I thought the European routes had already gone to DL and at the time of shutdown PA had been reduced to a rump operation doing South/Central America and the Caribbean?
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:52 pm

I had one flight on PanAm.....JFK to Frankfort in the late '70's. I remember because they had to change 747's because the one to be used for the flight had hit a bird and suffered a cracked windshield.

A lot of people carry great memories of international travel on PanAm. Several DL friends of mine are ex PanAm flight attendants.

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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:05 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Are you sure about that? I thought the European routes had already gone to DL and at the time of shutdown PA had been reduced to a rump operation doing South/Central America and the Caribbean?

My memory is a bit blurry (it's a while ago). But from what I recall, it was some strange dealings with DL going on. Not sure though.

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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:11 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
I believe, It did not hit me until, I read a book about Pan Am, that those DL A310s, was ex Pan Am A310s.

At first they did. But the planes were horrid. Absolutely horrid. J class cabin had no ovens, no overhead bins over the center section, smelled like years of cigarette smoke and neglect. DL went out and bought a dozen or so new A310's to replace them. The new 310's became one of my favorite planes, didn't stick around long.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Are you sure about that? I thought the European routes had already gone to DL and at the time of shutdown PA had been reduced to a rump operation doing South/Central America and the Caribbean?

Correct. DL overpaid for the european network and FRA hub. The plan was for DL to feed traffic to PA at MIA, and PA would serve points south. But the bleeding never stopped. DL decided suddenly to pull the plug, and PA shutdown almost overnight.

Quoting airtechy (Reply 19):
JFK to Frankfort in the late '70's.

PA served Kentucky? Who knew?  
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:33 pm

I flew Pan Am in 1988 from Oslo to London on a B727 200 Stretch and then continued with them on a B747 100 / 200 to New York. Same routing and equipment on the way back.

I also flew the same route and equipment in 1990

Why did they add the "Stretch" to the aircraft type. These were ordenary 727 200 were'nt they ?
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Pan Am has always had a special place in my memory - the first 747 I boarded (in 1987 - Zürich - New York JFK) was a Pan Am 747, a primal 747-121 - like the shot of my collection:


Pan Am Boeing 747-121; N655PA@ZRH, July 1985 by Aero Icarus, on Flickr

It is amazingly paradoxical that this debt-ridden airline still creates so much emotional nostalgia - and value (me included).

For me the Pan Am logo is still the archetype of all airline logos (above all together with the original 747 livery)!


Pan Am Boeing 747-121; N744PA@FRA, June 1991/ DVH by Aero Icarus, on Flickr


Pan Am Boeing 747-121; N659PA@ZRH, May 1990/CNC by Aero Icarus, on Flickr


Pan Am Boeing 747-121; N733PA@MIA; February 1987/ BQR by Aero Icarus, on Flickr


Pan Am Boeing 747-121; N748PA@ZRH, July 1986/ CAH by Aero Icarus, on Flickr
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:56 pm

On CBS Sunday Morning today their Almanac segment focused on this. Although it was brief, it was pretty interesting to say the least. You can watch it here  

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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:21 pm

I flew Pan Am many times over the years from 1975 through into the 1990's. I remember the European B727's very well as I was in Berlin at the time and it was a good operation. Flew the B747 in the 1980's out of LHR to JFK and from JFK to GIG on many occasions, but by then they were tired clapped out and that was just the crews. Aircraft always late on departure, a C class cabin that was the same as the early 70's. I remember one takeoff out of GIG and losing an engine as we rotated, thank god the earth is curved because this old -100 could hardly climb on 3 engines. I liked Pan Am in the early days, but like the current AA, it was way past its sellbuy date.

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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:22 pm

PA used to be the embodiment of luxury travel. By the 90s, though, PA was only a shadow of its former self, unable to live up to the former glory of its brand. Those of us who flew them toward the end saw a decaying mismanaged airline that needed to be put out of its misery.

Their legacy as America's flag carrier lives on in AA, DL, and UA, and while those airlines may not live up to PA's former luxury, PA wouldn't be able to if they were still around, either.
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:24 pm

The first airline to operate nonstop international flights out of Brasilia. Pan American and its partner Pan Air do Brasil have just pioneered in several things in Brazil and this is a moment to remember the role played during its almost 65 years of activity.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:43 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
From what I remember, DL was talking to PA about buying their European routes. The talks were going on for several months and then all of a sudden, DL decided NOT to buy the route

DL did buy the Trans-Atlantic network and FRA hub, minus the LHR slots, from Pan Am. They then helped fund the new Pan Am which moved it's headquarters to MIA to focus on Latin America. The "new" Pan Am operated for a little while but folded when DL cut-off funding. UA picked up Pan Am's Latin America operation for a pretty good deal, $125 million IIRC.
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:00 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 28):

I know UA got the route authorities, but didn't AA inherit some of the MIA operation as well?
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:02 am

Quoting Delta763 (Reply 29):
I know UA got the route authorities, but didn't AA inherit some of the MIA operation as well?

I didn't think AA needed to. They moved into MIA in a big way when EA folded.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:12 am

I remember exactly where I was the night Pan Am shut down (this is like the Kennedy assassination).

I was on a layover in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont, when the story came on the TV news.


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Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:10 am

I can remember flying Pan Am between London to Los Angeles on a 741 and then my first ride on an SP from LAX to Syd and home to MEL on of the last flights across the Pacific before they sold ttheir Pacific rights to UA. The flight between London and Los Angeles there was hardly anyone on the flight but great service and a great flight over Iceland and and the Southren Tip of Greenland then down over Hudson Bay all the way to LAX. An innervator in avaition a lot of the flights that are flying today can thank Pan Am for pioneering those routes, and I miss seeing Pan Am in at MEL. Will never be another airline like it.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:47 am

My first Pan Am flight (of many) was in 1976 when I was still a kid and we flew the old China Clipper route - on a 747 (PA841) from SFO to HNL to GUM and on to MNL. Learnt my geography (especially Africa!) by looking at the PA route maps in the Clipper magazine and the schedules!

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
at the time of shutdown PA had been reduced to a rump operation doing South/Central America and the Caribbean?

I believe they still had one transatlantic route (PA134 MIA-CDG) by December 1991, operated with a 747.

Quoting Delta763 (Reply 26):
By the 90s, though, PA was only a shadow of its former self, unable to live up to the former glory of its brand. Those of us who flew them toward the end saw a decaying mismanaged airline that needed to be put out of its misery.

At least they still had caviar and either the roast beef or rack of lamb served directly from the carving board in F, even until the very bitter end!
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:50 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 30):
I didn't think AA needed to. They moved into MIA in a big way when EA folded.

AA was moving into MIA prior to EA's demise, during EA's bankruptcy AA started launching new domestic and Caribbean routes from MIA. AA then purchased EA's Latin America routes from EA, Eastern continued operating (moving their headquarters to ATL) for another year after AA purchased their Latin routes.

Quoting Delta763 (Reply 29):
I know UA got the route authorities, but didn't AA inherit some of the MIA operation as well?

AA picked up the slack after UA left, but they didn't acquire anything directly from Pan Am other than the fact that AA took over the former Pan Am gates UA had vacated.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:22 pm

Pan American World Airways was a class act to be sure. Speaking of pioneering air routs: I am just finishing a very interesting book "The Long Way Home" by Ed Dover (Paladwr Press, 1999). It is the story of PAA San Francisco - Honolulu flight on Dec. 7, 1941. The flight continued on south to Auckland, NZ and couldn't go back to HNL due to a bit of a "dust up" by the Japanese navy at Pearl Harbor. What did the PAA Boeing 314 do? They continued west; flew around the world and made it back to New York, N.Y. It is a great read about an epic journey. My former father-in-law was a Pan Am captain (retiring in 1977) and his wife was a former PAA FA from the war-post war era. Boy, what great stories they had. Thought I would share the book report with all the PAA fans and a.netters out there. Regards.
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:20 pm

I only flew PanAm once: DTW-JFK in May 1989, on a 727. I was amazed by the leather seats in Y. That was on the return leg of my first-ever trip to the US.
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:35 pm

I have taken Pan AM a few times out of ORD to Europe and once IAH-MEX and return on a 747-100. The MEX trip was memorable only because of a maintenance issue with the 747 and we were delayed 4 hours. The issue materialized after everyone was onboard and they wouldn't let anyone off the aircraft to go back into the terminal to wait. We had to sit in our seats for 4 hours. But they did serve water & soft drinks while we waited.
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
rom what I remember, DL was talking to PA about buying their European routes. The talks were going on for several months and then all of a sudden, DL decided NOT to buy the routes. As you mentioned, DL had been giving money to PA so that they could keep operating. When DL decided not to buy the European routes, PA shut down.
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Are you sure about that? I thought the European routes had already gone to DL and at the time of shutdown PA had been reduced to a rump operation doing South/Central America and the Caribbean?

Delta purchased the European routes and started flying on November 1, 1991 to Europe. DL funded the "new" Latin American PA and then so some reason pulled the plug and stopped the $$$. IT folded on 12/ 6 or 12/8 /1991. Very sad.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:45 am

My first flight ever was on Pan Am so they are always dear to me!
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:56 pm

PA was an outstanding airline. I was fortunate enough to fly them dozens of times in Economy, Clipper and First Class. They were a truly great airline!!

What finished them off? PA103 was the final nail in the coffin but truth be told their problems went back beyond that terrible incident. Their planes were old and gas guzzelers. I flew on the 747SP from LAX to SFO once and also LHR-LAX. This aircraft was not meant to be flown on short hops like LAX-SFO (it was not a repositioning) it was a tag on from SYD-LAX. Even LHR-LAX arguably would not be the right type of flight at only 10-11 hours. I also flew on the JFK - MON - JNB route, again relatively short flights. The SP was really suitable for longer routes such as LAX/SFO - AKL/SYD, or JFK - TYO all c13 hours +. Another example is I on the DKK -MON route which again was a short flight on the 747. What a waste.

This is a classic example of poor utilisation of aircraft. Also the wrong aircraft used. I truly belive they held on to the 747 for too long and could have considered twin engined aircraft such as A300 etc. I do wonder if it was a pride issue which made them hang on to the 747. I know they did end up with some Airbuses but too little too late.

Fleet variation was another issue L1011, DC10, 747, 727, 737, A3XX? all at the same time. Actually DC10, 747SP and L1011 might have gone by the time the Airbuses arrived as by that time I think PA had sold out to UA in the Pacific. OK so the DC10 was inherited from National none the less it was part of the problem.

In my view the issues were something like this order:

1) Deregulation of the US market and subsequent merger with National at the same time.

2) Questionable fleet compatability.

3) Poor Management.

4) PA103 amongst other terrorist outrages eg) hijackings, Karachi commando raid etc, all became reputational issues.

5) Gas guzzling planes.

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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:00 pm

MON is not right it should be Monrovia, Liberia.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:05 pm

Quoting kiwinlondon (Reply 40):
PA was an outstanding airline. I was fortunate enough to fly them dozens of times in Economy, Clipper and First Class. They were a truly great airline!!

I wouldn´t go that far. I also flew them dozens of times, almost all in F class (a few in J and even fewer in Y...they were very generous with upgrades for other carriers' employees). I would rate their service as average to somewhat above average and rarely a match for many of their foreign competitors. I also thought TWA´s service was generally better than Pan Am´s.

As you say, they suffered from poor management and their long-term weak financial position prevented them from spending money on upgrading systems. In their latter few years, their reservations and revenue management systems were far behind the capabilities of most of their competitors which prevented them from maximizing yields.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:55 pm

By the time I had a chance to fly them in the mid-to-late 80s, it was not a great experience. Maybe it was a wonderful airline with which to fly in the 1960s, but I can't be nostalgic for something I did not experience.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:39 am

PA's first and business class had great service to the end, but their coach service started heading downhill in the mid to late 60's.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:19 am

I had the good fortune to fly them the year before they folded.
JFK-MIA on a 747
MIA-JFK
SFO-LAX on a 727
LAX-GUA on an A300

All the flights were in coach and the service/food showing the decline of the empire in the post-regulation world of air travel.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:59 am

Quoting aviateur (Reply 31):
I remember exactly where I was the night Pan Am shut down (this is like the Kennedy assassination).

I was on a layover in a hotel in Burlington, Vermont, when the story came on the TV news.

I am happy you remember it so vividly, but to compare it to November 22, 1963 and what that did to the country, is absolutely ridiculous. Do you remember where you were when Eastern or Braniff collapsed. I remember both, as I knew lost of people that lost their careers on those days, but I don't think any of them would compare it to JFK's assassination. I have to follow the rules, or I would really express my opinion.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:06 pm

I loved seeing the 707's, DC-8's and 747's on approach to BAL (now BWI) in the 60's and 70's. My friends and I used to talk our way onto a lot of planes that were sitting at the gates but we were never able to get onto a Pan Am plane. They were the only airline that wouldn't give us permission to go aboard and take a look around, odd considering their planes were on the ground for hours at a time.

Pan Am had non-stop flights to San Juan plus flights to LHR, usually with a stop in BOS or PHL. They were a big league outfit and when they pulled out of Baltimore it was like my town had been demoted. I recall the article in our local paper saying Pan Am was discontinuing service to two cities in its global network: Baltimore and San Pedro Sula. Because I'm not normal (and I have been very open about this) I still think a wonderful trip would have involved taking their fight across the Pacific that stopped at Wake Island and Midway.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting kiwinlondon (Reply 40):
This is a classic example of poor utilisation of aircraft. Also the wrong aircraft used. I truly belive they held on to the 747 for too long and could have considered twin engined aircraft such as A300 etc. I do wonder if it was a pride issue which made them hang on to the 747. I know they did end up with some Airbuses but too little too late

A number of airlines held onto their 747s for a long time after Pan Am collapsed, I don't think that really had much do with it. The aircraft that did cause them problems towards the end, IMO was the 727, it was intended to be replaced by the A320 order that was then cancelled, leaving Pan Am which an ageing short haul when the competition was introducing new generation and more efficient aircraft, 737 Classic, A320 and MD-80.
 
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RE: Pan Am 20 Years Gone

Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:05 pm

Two of my favorite Pan Am slogans ever:

"First on the Atlantic. First on the Pacific. First in Latin America. First Around the World."

and....(this is my favorite).....

"Every country has an airline. The world has Pan Am."
"Piedmont. The Model of What a Good Airline Should Be."

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