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Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:50 pm

Somebody asked about the Atlantic, so I figured I'd ask about the Pacific. I would assume it's the 777, followed by either the A330 or 747? I would assume that the 747 had an unquestionable reign from the early 1970s to the early 2000s. My other question is...how many of the current 747 operators over the Pacific plan to retire their 747s in the near future? The airlines in specific I'm thinking of are Asiana Airways, Air China, China Airlines, EVA, Malaysian, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Phillipine Airlines, Qantas, Air New Zealand, Delta, and United. I'm assuming that with the exception of Delta, the 747's career with the rest of the airlines won't make it to the next decade? I ask because JAL and ANA have already retired their non-domestic 744s, and SQ has either retired them or is very very close to retiring them.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:12 am

Here on the east coast we get a lot of 777's doing the transpac routes, with a few 744's.

But I do have a question to my west coast friends out there....are the A340's popular coming transpac for you? Here at JFK we see a China Eastern A346, but the rest of the airlines here are 777's or 747's (and Korean's A380). We still get A346's coming over the Atlantic though. Just curious if the A340 is a popular aircraft on the west coast coming transpac. Thanks for any input!
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:23 am

I have not seen to many A340 at work in LAX. The 2 come to mind are Thai and Air Tahiti Nui going west. The Virgin A340 goes east. Mostly a mix of 777, 747, A330, and A380. HTH
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
do have a question to my west coast friends out there....are the A340's popular coming transpac for you? Here at JFK we see a China Eastern A346, but the rest of the airlines here are 777's or 747's (and Korean's A380). We still get A346's coming over the Atlantic though. Just curious if the A340 is a popular aircraft on the west coast coming transpac. Thanks for any input!

We get TG, TN, MU, and SQ with 340's. Can't think of any others. 777, though, is likely the most popular.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):
I have not seen too many A340 at work in LAX. The 2 come to mind are Thai and Air Tahiti Nui going west. The Virgin A340 goes east.

Also the SQ all-business class A340-500 nonstop LAX-SIN.
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:32 am

Philippine Airlines operates 2x a week A340 flights to LAX and SFO.
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:38 am

Thank you all for you input, I just find it interesting to see who gets what equipment on the other side of the country LOL! I miss the CX A346 that used to come here...she was beautiful!!! Anywhoo, guess it's not THAT big of a plane for west coast transpac traffic...back to the topic at hand before I get a warning like this:



 

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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:43 am

Except for PR 104 sometimes being operated by an A340, the only A340's I've seen at SFO recently came from Europe (LH 458, LX 38, AF 84 in the downseason, and sometimes VS 19 in the downseason)...IIRC SQ 16 was at one time an A340 (when SQ 2 was a 747), but that flight's been operated by a 777 for quite a while now.

At SFO, BR sometimes sends 747-400's, but usually sends 777-300ER's. CA, CI, and CX sends 747-400's (although I've seen a few CX 777's from time to time). As mentioned before, PR typically sends 747-400's, but sometimes they've sent an A340 and I THINK I've even seen a 777 once or twice. SQ, KE, JL, NH, and OZ really only send 777's anymore.   Not sure if I'm missing any of the Asian carriers...

Also, NZ sends a 747-400 now; used to be a 777 before QF pulled out of SFO...and, of course, QF ran a 747-400 to SFO before they pulled out.

United sends a mixture of 747's and 777's to Asia from SFO; not sure what the ratios are there. I've seen DL run 767's and A330's, although I think they're mostly running 767's now...
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:42 am

No doubt, the 777. With CX, JL, ANA, China Southern, MAS, VAU, KE, UA, AA, EVA, Asiana, SQ, and NZ. All fly the 777 trans-pacific. I think the 777 is 330-minute ETOPS certified?
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:44 am

It used to be the 744 when all the majors had and used them, but it is now shifting to the 77W. on my recent trip to So Cal it was very obvious how dominant the 77W has become at LAX for eg: JL/NH/NZ/CX are now all carriers that have dumped the 744 to LAX.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:51 am

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 8):
I think the 777 is 330-minute ETOPS certified?

Tisn't. Not yet anyway. The 787 is going to be.

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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:09 am

The 744 is very popular with UA flights from LAX , SFO and ORD .
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:08 am

Certainly it'd be close on both the 777 and 744 types. I'd love to see some of the magic from the 767 thread bout the real counts.

Sadly, I am not one of those with the patience to do it.

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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:06 am

So in which year do we have more A380 than 747s accross the pacific? My money is 2015...(mainly because the number of 747s is going down)   
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:09 am

From SEA, we now have the following transpac aircraft flying: 744 (BR), 332 (KE, HU), 333 (DL, OZ), 772 (UA), 77W (BR), and 763 (DL). Quite an interesting mix. There's definitely been a shift towards the A330 in recent years; SEA is uniquely positioned for economical A330 and 767 ops to Asia. 767... who woulda thought? Once DL takes delivery of the 788, let's hope we see a flight to HKG. Maybe SYD?
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:12 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
So in which year do we have more A380 than 747s accross the pacific? My money is 2015...(mainly because the number of 747s is going down)   

I'd be amazed if it was that soon.. I was thinking more like 2020? Maybe?
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:46 pm

Quoting warden145 (Reply 7):

Aren't the 767s primarily stopping in Guam though...as far as I'm aware, the 767s generally don't have the range to do the lower 48 to Japan and further west.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:47 pm

Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):

Doesn't China Eastern also have an A340 operation out of LAX?
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:10 pm

767s, A340s, & A380s are a minority over this pond. The 777s and 744s rule. There are some A330 ops.
Here's a breakdown from Japan:

NH 77W: NRT-JFK, IAD, ORD, SFO, & LAX
NH 777: HND-LAX
JL 77W: NRT-JFK, ORD, LAX
JL 777: HND-SFO
JL 763: NRT-YVR
UA 744: NRT-SFO, ORD
UA 777: NRT-LAX, IAD, SEA, EWR, IAH & KIX-SFO
DL 744: NRT-DTW, JFK
DL 777: NRT-MSP, ATL
DL 333: NRT-SEA on 333
DL 332: NRT-LAX & HND-LAX
DL 763: NRT-SFO, PDX & KIX-SEA
AA 777: NRT-JFK, DFW (2), ORD, LAX
SQ 388: NRT-LAX
KE 332: NRT-LAX
AC 77W: NRT-YYZ
AC 763: NRT-YVR
AM 763/777: NRT-TIJ/MEX

Hopefully, I didn't forget any. Please free to correct.
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:30 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 18):

CI 744: KIX-JFK
AC 763: NRT-YYC

are two you missed.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:17 am

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 19):
CI 744: KIX-JFK
AC 763: NRT-YYC

Thanks.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:28 am

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
Doesn't China Eastern also have an A340 operation out of LAX?

Yes, daily A340-600 LAX-PVG.
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:24 am

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
Aren't the 767s primarily stopping in Guam though...as far as I'm aware, the 767s generally don't have the range to do the lower 48 to Japan and further west.

They do from SEA to PEK, PVG, and KIX!
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:08 pm

Quoting carpethead (Reply 18):
Hopefully, I didn't forget any. Please free to correct.

You forgot a bunch of HNL-Japan routes  
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:20 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 23):
You forgot a bunch of HNL-Japan routes  

How shall we count all those intra-Pacific routes, say GUM-HNL, or LAX-PPT ? Are we including Oceania or just East Asia ?
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:27 pm

For AC

77W: YVR-HKG, YYZ-NRT, YYZ-PEK, YYZ-PVG
77L: YVR-SYD, YYZ-HKG
763: YVR-ICN, YVR-PVG, YVR-PEK, YVR-NRT
333: Does NRT in the summer from YVR.
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:41 pm

What about Cathay Pacific?
CX 77W ORD-HKG
CX 77W JFK-HKG
CX 77W LAX-HKG
CX 77W HKG-YVR
what about routes to Canada?
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:46 pm

China Southern 777 CAN to YVR and LAX.
 
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:37 pm

Does everyone forget about Australia and QF?? haha

QF
SYD-LAX A380 and B744
MEL-LAX A380 and B744
BNE-LAX B744
SYD-HNL B763
AKL-LAX A332

JQ
SYD-HNL A332

VA
MEL-LAX B773
BNE-LAX B773

DL
LAX-SYD B77L

UA
LAX-SYD-MEL B744
SFO-SYD B744
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 28):

VA
MEL-LAX B773
BNE-LAX B773

Has VA withdrawn from SYD-LAX?

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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:01 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 29):

I hope not, sorry overlooked that one ... eekk, lets add it to the list!
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:12 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 23):
You forgot a bunch of HNL-Japan routes

I kind of think of that as Intra-pacific personally.

Quoting Thrust (Reply 16):
Aren't the 767s primarily stopping in Guam though...as far as I'm aware, the 767s generally don't have the range to do the lower 48 to Japan and further west.
Quoting RentonView (Reply 22):
They do from SEA to PEK, PVG, and KIX!

And PDX-NRT... Wait SEA-PVG? Is that a flight or a rumor?
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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:27 pm

Here's a link to a small analysis I made last summer :

Summer 2011 Transpacific Flights Offer Data (by BrusselsSouth May 14 2011 in Aviation Polls)

Based on it, here are the leading transatlantic aircraft types in terms of flights offered:

1. B777 (more than twice the number of 747 flights)
2. B747
3. B767
4. A330
(5). A340 (same number of flights as for the A330).
6. A380
7. B737

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RE: Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:16 am

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 31):
And PDX-NRT... Wait SEA-PVG? Is that a flight or a rumor?

D'oh! Sorry, wishful thinking. SEA-PVG is a 1-stop.