santos
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Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:22 pm

http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/latest-press-releases.page
Qatar Airways is to introduce a fifth daily flight between Doha and London Heathrow from the start of the Northern Summer schedules on March 25 next year.
QR075 DOH0635 – 1200LHR 77L D
QR076 LHR1600 – 0050+1DOH 77L D
 
hooverman
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:54 pm

Wow. I thought Heathrow was slot restricted. How is it that airlines can keep adding frequencies?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:40 pm

LHR is amazing isn't it? The sheer volume of demand boggles me! There are many similar sized cities worldwide but no one can match the diversity & frequency of international traffic at LHR it seems. JFK & FRA are right up there too. Good for LHR & QR. I was really hoping that QR would serve YYZ but alas they chose YUL.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:51 pm

That's the old LGW flight numbers too.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:14 pm

Quoting santos (Thread starter):

4 hours on the ground seems like a lot.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:19 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 1):
Wow. I thought Heathrow was slot restricted. How is it that airlines can keep adding frequencies?

There are ways and means of getting slots at LHR. Maybe QR bought from another carrier ? As you know, slots are valuable and that's one reason why cash-strapped CSA exited LHR ... it needed the money from sellling off its LHR slots.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 2):


LHR is amazing isn't it? The sheer volume of demand boggles me! There are many similar sized cities worldwide but no one can match the diversity & frequency of international traffic at LHR it seems.

Next year we'll likely see a notable increase in capacity and/or frequency by all carriers into LHR (and a lesser extent all other UK airports) for the summer season as we will have not only the Olympics and Paralympics from July to August, but also the Queen's Diamond Jubilee on top of all the other major international events that happen annually over the summer.

It seems London is the place to be for Summer 2012.

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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:47 pm

Good news; presumably they bought the slots off another carrier.

Also good news that they're using a 77L; that's about the only carrier using 77Ls (apart from AI) to do this. It's a type on my "must fly" list, along with the 345, 380 and 787!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:59 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 5):
There are ways and means of getting slots at LHR. Maybe QR bought from another carrier ? As you know, slots are valuable and that's one reason why cash-strapped CSA exited LHR ... it needed the money from sellling off its LHR slots.

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:59 pm

I'm surpised QR needs the capacity. I've flown LHR-DOH-XXX a few times, and there have always been plenty of seats. Maybe I've just been lucky. Perhaps QR really DO need the A380.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:41 pm

I've flown QR a number of times from LHR and the flights can be at 100%, especially the overnighter, but more like 25-30% on others. I always appreciate the empty flights.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:48 pm

There's no need for QR to make money really.... Be good to see the more LR at LHR!
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 4):
4 hours on the ground seems like a lot.

Maybe they could not get better slots?
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
That's the old LGW flight numbers too.

Yeah! Would love to have seen QR stay but I guess LHR is better suited for them.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:05 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):
So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

It depends on the route. I feel that PRG is not a high yield route given the competition from LCCs. It's the long-haul routes which are most profitable out of LHR.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:28 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Also good news that they're using a 77L; that's about the only carrier using 77Ls (apart from AI) to do this.

AC has also used 77Ls in LHR on occasion, indeed a flight of mine from YYZ is my only 77L flight thus far.

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

On the surface it may appear to be a profitable (THE profitable) place to be but for some airlines the high costs of operating there coupled with fleet and other issues have caused scale-backs or withdrawals outright. In the last few years MA, OK, BW, JM, Bellview and Virgin Nigeria have left and HM are leaving soon.

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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:38 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):
So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

Not to mention BD who have been losing untold £millions over the past few years...
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:39 am

If your airline cannot make LHR pay, there's a structural problem with your airline. Read that list again methinks...
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:03 am

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
QR075 DOH0635 – 1200LHR 77L D

The new flight is 0635, the other flights are 0715 and 0750, in addition to the 1720 and 0150 flight. (the times are roughly estimated). So, 3 flights within an hour and a half? The flights are not evenly distributed.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:10 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
So, 3 flights within an hour and a half? The flights are not evenly distributed.

Once again, that was maybe the only dep/arr slots they could get at LHR.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:12 am

Great to Qatar expand, by far my favourite carrier!  
Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

Unfortunately so...

It is mainly the smaller European flag carriers that are suffering and pulling out of LHR...

These carriers offer very few connections through their respective hubs, and these are to places that passengers can already fly to directly.

Also for the likes of CSA, it's the low cost carriers that are killing them... While these airlines might not fly to LHR, they still fly to the London area to the likes of LTN, LGW and STN, and usually at a far lower price.

Also if one of these small European carriers flies several times daily to LHR, they will have peak time slots, and these can be sold for literally millions of pounds if there is demand.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
If your airline cannot make LHR pay, there's a structural problem with your airline. Read that list again methinks...

Not really. Yields from LHR to many US cities, especially JFK and BOS, are in the toilet and LHR is very much a high cost airport. There's a true network advantage to flying to LHR and doing so from many destinations, which may or may not offset the high cost of doing business at LHR. But it's not exactly a "goldmine" in a pure revenue/yield management and pricing sense; it may do well from a networking planning point of view, however.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:15 pm

Another slot going to the Gulf airlines, nothing to be excited about. Hope this madness stops and we won't see EK and QR operate more than 5 daily each.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 21):
Yields from LHR to many US cities, especially JFK and BOS, are in the toilet and LHR is very much a high cost airport.

Odd that LHR-JFK is one of BA's better yielding routes. Must be imagining things. My bad.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:54 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
Odd that LHR-JFK is one of BA's better yielding routes. Must be imagining things. My bad.

I think you'll find that the J/F cabin are mostly deep corporate disounts, and that Y has a significant percentage of el cheapo Y fares connecting to Europe.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 22):
Hope this madness stops

Why?
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jet72uk
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:53 pm

Crazy to have 5 flights a day to DOH. + the BA one.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:06 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 26):
Crazy to have 5 flights a day to DOH

Evidently a large part of QR's traffic would be connecting beyond its DOH hub.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 20):
It is mainly the smaller European flag carriers that are suffering and pulling out of LHR...

Air Seychelles is also ending LHR service next month, currently 2 x week, as part of their plan to terminate all of their Europe services by the end of March.
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RE: Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:14 am

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 24):
I think you'll find that the J/F cabin are mostly deep corporate disounts, and that Y has a significant percentage of el cheapo Y fares connecting to Europe.

Corporate discounts does not mean operating straight at a loss. Quite the opposite. Revenue Managers dread uncertainty. The capacity manager's nightmare is not knowing his loads for a flight and having to dump seats at the last minute by reasons beyond his control. A market where corporate discounts are common is usually a profitable market where both the airline and the traveler have enough leverage over one another. One way to play in a level field is to resort to the corporate discount. e.g the "corporation's" executives will have to fly at some point anyway, but the company does not want to pay the walk-up fare. The airline is not happy about the uncertainty of the loads on a certain departure. Fair deal. Split the uncertainties, compromise a little on price and both parties obtain what they want e.g. seat access availability for the corporation at an acceptable price; loads certainty and steady strong yields for the carrier. Plain simple
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