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787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:18 pm

EVERETT, Wash., Dec. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) has established two world records with the 787 Dreamliner, setting new marks for both speed and distance for the airplane's weight class.

"Speed and distance capabilities are fundamental to the value the 787 brings to the market," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "These records are a great way to demonstrate that this airplane is the game-changer we have promised."

The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner is the first airplane to provide both long distance capabilities with mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating), allowing airlines to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public. The airplane is 20 percent more fuel efficient than similarly sized airplanes.

The sixth 787, ZA006, powered by General Electric GEnx engines, departed from Boeing Field in Seattle at 11:02 a.m. on Dec. 6 and set the distance record for its class (440,000-550,000 lbs.) with a 10,710 nmi (19,835 km) flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh, with credit for 10,337 nmi (19,144 km). This record had previously been held by the Airbus A330 based on a 9,127 nmi (16,903 km) flight in 2002.

Following an approximately two-hour stop for refueling in Dhaka, the airplane returned to Seattle on a 9,734 nmi (18,027 km) flight. The airplane landed at 5:29 a.m. on Dec. 8, setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes. There was no previous around-the-world speed record for this weight class.

The 787 carried six pilots, an observer for the National Aeronautic Association (NAA), and operations and other Boeing employees – 13 people in total.

Flight routing on the first segment of the journey took the airplane from Seattle across the U.S. to Nantucket. After crossing the Atlantic Ocean, the airplane entered European air space at Santiago, Spain, and proceeded down the Mediterranean, across Egypt to Luxor, across the Middle East and over India to Bangladesh. On the second segment, the Dreamliner flew over Singapore, the Philippines and Guam before entering U.S. airspace over Honolulu and returning to Seattle.

Boeing holds world records for longest distance flights in five weight classes with records set by the KC-135, 767-200ER (extended range), 777-200 and 777-200LR (longer range). The 777-200 also holds the speed record for its weight class.


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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):

Nice to see some positive news from the 787 for a change, congrats Boeing   
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:25 pm

This is totally awesome!! It shows this plane can be a beast! Granated most will never be flown with 13 people or on that routing but its good to know the capabilities of the plane.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:49 pm

Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.   
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:02 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.   

Yeah... Once they get those dilithium crystals straightened out, they should be good for 26,000 nm  
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:28 pm

What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:43 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...

Wow, what brought that on?

Practically alone?

A332/3, 764, 772, DC10-15, L1011-200/500, 788

What this trip demonstrates is that this aircraft is the most advanced in it's class. That it can fly far further than anything of this size before, and at a lower trip cost.

Just as the A380 shows that you can go big and heavy and still outperform anything smaller and lighter that came before, the 788 shows you can go small and still have the range performance of a heavier aircraft, with the economy of a lighter/shorter range aircraft.

I do find it funny that Boeing says they set a new record for fastest around the world in the category, and then said nobody else ever tried (or recorded it correctly). You'd have to believe that DC10-15s or 772s have gone around the world before. Actually, if the 772 or A330 did a promotional world tour before EIS, it surely went around the world, but it likely took days or weeks...  
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Yeah... Once they get those dilithium crystals straightened out, they should be good for 26,000 nm

Och ye know ye cannae alter the laws of physics though Captain!

Joking aside this is really impressive, I can't wait until NZ gets theirs.
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:50 pm

Pretty awesome feat for this new aircraft. Check out this flight path

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20111206/1900Z/KBFI/VGHS

I wonder what the internal configuration was of this particular aircraft; for example did it have a full array of cabin seats?
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...

???

They did it. What's the problem with telling us?

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Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:17 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
They did it. What's the problem with telling us?

Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus? That's the only reason I can think why people would be angry about hearing this news/puff.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:25 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus?

Well, I didn't want to say it, but....  

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:38 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):
A332/3, 764, 772, DC10-15, L1011-200/500, 788

The A330 and the 777 are not in the same category, at least not as defined by Boeing: mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating). The competition in the category is made up of the L1011-500, the 757-300, the 767-300 and the 767-400, all designs that are at least 20 years old.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
What's the problem with telling us?

There's nothing wrong with "telling us" they did it, but it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record! Anyone can claim a World Record in similar fashion as long as they keep the playing field narrow enough to exclude any serious competition. Heck, I have the land speed world record as measured by the time it takes me to go from my office door to my office chair!

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus?

If that's what you want to believe, that's your choice. In my book, calling it a World Record actually cheapens what is quite a technological achievement. It doesn't need artificial, PR-driven enhancement and should be allowed to stand on its own. If this were a person, not a plane, we'd say he is begging for attention.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:56 pm

Where did it say what the speed was?
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:00 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record

Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:03 am

As other people have mentioned it is great to hear of some good news about the 787! I can't wait until the 787 becomes a regular sight for us all in the future.
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:05 am

It may be fast, but it's no Sonic Cruiser.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:07 am

This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

Those of us, who remember more than two weeks back in time, recall the 744 London - Sydney flight back in an earlier millennium. There was a good reason why it wasn't Sydney - London.

Still Boeing with the 788 did it around the world considerably faster than Steve Fossett did it in his balloon nine years ago.

The major thing for such a flight is to be ready exactly when the weather man says "go" because he is satisfied with the forecast tailwind conditions.
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:11 am

The 77L distance record, however, was seriously impressive.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:11 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.

For all those airlines that want to fly 13 passengers 10,000 miles they will be fantastic!
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:14 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
What's the problem with telling us?

There's nothing wrong with "telling us" they did it, but it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record! Anyone can claim a World Record in similar fashion as long as they keep the playing field narrow enough to exclude any serious competition. Heck, I have the land speed world record as measured by the time it takes me to go from my office door to my office chair!

That you find their claim "disingenuous" is odd given that it's an incredible feet. To me, comparing what they did with the 787 flight to what you do going to work each day is "disingenuous at best". But I respect your point of view.

BTW:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record!

I'm not sure of the facts, but according to ADent:

Quoting ADent (Reply 14):
Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 17):
This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

Those of us, who remember more than two weeks back in time, recall the 744 London - Sydney flight back in an earlier millennium. There was a good reason why it wasn't Sydney - London.

Still Boeing with the 788 did it around the world considerably faster than Steve Fossett did it in his balloon nine years ago.

The major thing for such a flight is to be ready exactly when the weather man says "go" because he is satisfied with the forecast tailwind conditions.

So what? I don't get why everyone needs to rain on the parade each time a manufacturer achieves something? I think THAT'S what stinks around here.

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:33 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 19):
For all those airlines that want to fly 13 passengers 10,000 miles they will be fantastic!

  

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 17):
This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

I have a feeling that PR "stunts" like these mean absolutely nothing to their prospective customers. After all, the customers won't be thinking "gee, the over-wight 787 flew 10,000 miles. Let's buy it!." I'd imagine they'd say that.. and then figure out the conditions that had to be met for the over-weight 787 to fly that far. Namely 13 passengers, etc.

It seems like the intended audience of such news feeds are the people of a.net. In short, people who typically mean little to the actual inner workings of the airline industry.

If you think an airline that's ready to invest hundreds of millions of dollars would be tricked by these sorts of PR "stunts" I don't know what planet you're from.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:50 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.

... and slow too.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways

Was it marketing BS when Airbus set the previous record? Perhaps, but aviation has an element of sport to it and these records are just "plane" fun.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:04 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record!

Let's not let truth get in our way here. ADent is absolutely right:

Quoting ADent (Reply 14):
Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.

FAI defined the weight classes a long time ago. Land planes (class C-1) run from C-1a (300-500 kg) all the way up to C-1v (greater than 500,000 kg). I suggest people browse around a little before jumping to incorrect conclusions:
http://www.fai.org/record-powered-aeroplanes

The oldest distance record in their system is from 1959. I'm reasonably confident that Boeing had not decided on the 787 MTOW at that time.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
the A330 is no long range plane anyways

The A330's prior record was 9100 miles...that's still a long range plane.

Besides, Henri Courpron, chief executive officer of International Lease Finance Corp: “The A330-200 has phenomenal range that allows airlines to open new routes and go places not reachable before with twin-engine planes of that size.”

Sound like a familiar mission description?

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):
I do find it funny that Boeing says they set a new record for fastest around the world in the category, and then said nobody else ever tried (or recorded it correctly). You'd have to believe that DC10-15s or 772s have gone around the world before.

In order to meet the FAI criteria, you have to have a fairly specific routing. You're unlikely to get the circumnavigation record unless you're doing it on purpose.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
If this were a person, not a plane, we'd say he is begging for attention.


So we're just going to claim that Julio César Chávez Jr isn't a world championship boxer because he "designed" the middleweight catagory for himself instead of taking on Mike Tyson?

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:18 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
The A330 and the 777 are not in the same category, at least not as defined by Boeing: mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating). The competition in the category is made up of the L1011-500, the 757-300, the 767-300 and the 767-400, all designs that are at least 20 years old.

Somebody didn't read the PR... tsk, tsk.

The class is 440-550k MTOW. It is not directly related to pax count.

That bracket encompasses the aircraft I quoted (at least form the specs I found). Note it's the original 772 like what UA, NH, JL and a few others own, not the IGW.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:25 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record...

Such world records are defined by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) in Lousanne, Switzerland. This record was set in FAI category C-1r which is fixed wing powered planes with a take-off mass between 200,000 and 250,000 kg.

The true record holder by FAI definition isn't Boeing, but the captain on the flight.

The previous record with an A330 wasn't held by Airbus either, but by Australian captain Bruce Simpson. It was an ordinary delivery flight of a new plane from Toulouse to Melbourne on Christmas Day 2002.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:38 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):
That you find their claim "disingenuous" is odd given that it's an incredible feet.

It is probably the engineer in me but I do not think it is an incredible feet. Run a plane with large tanks an light load and you will get a lot of distance. Great PR but just simple physics.

What I find amazing is that they have built something that will run 12-18 hours most days year after year in often tough environments. Heck, I find it more amazing you can run two engine more than 40 hours in a 42 hour period. But that is me.
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:02 am

This PR activity is good i guess for customers in the sense that it gives their customers a feel of what is comming ... I bet biman would have gained some positive publicity from the 787 world record flight landing in their back yard , and i guess they would have gotten decent news coverage in Bangladesh.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:40 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 21):

I have a feeling that PR "stunts" like these mean absolutely nothing to their prospective customers.

It may not directly impact an airline's purchase decision, but it gets the airline's customers attention. It helps their customers get more business by drawing attention, which, in turn, is beneficial to Boeing.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:08 am

Before the flight returned to BFI, Boeing seemed to view the flight as an endurance test, not a world record attempt. I only heard it referred to such after the flight landed.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:21 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways.

Are you saying it's BS because the record was set by Boeing? I remember the Airbus fanclub cheering quite loudly when the A330-200 set the last record in this category back in I think 2003 (and this was a ferry flight):

RE: Longest Flight (distance) Of Commercial Plane: (by Timz Jul 8 2005 in Civil Aviation)

RE: World's Longest Jet Flight (by Timz Feb 10 2004 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...s/aircraft-airbus-330200/global/en

Everybody cheered about it then, Boeing or Airbus fan alike, Why not when the 787 sets the new record?

[Edited 2011-12-08 20:22:34]
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:25 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 29):

Before the flight returned to BFI, Boeing seemed to view the flight as an endurance test, not a world record attempt. I only heard it referred to such after the flight landed.

They were flying with an FAI rep onboard...you only do that if you're trying to set a record.

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:56 am

What's the purpose of this flight again?

The flight was East bound all the way. They must have picked some really nice tailwind.

How far would they go if it was a "calmer" day??
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:06 am

Quoting Centre (Reply 32):
What's the purpose of this flight again?

Set two world records.

Quoting Centre (Reply 32):
The flight was East bound all the way. They must have picked some really nice tailwind.

That's part of the record...how you do it is up to the person making the record attempt. We don't ding the sailing guys for breaking a record by sailing with the wind.

Quoting Centre (Reply 32):
How far would they go if it was a "calmer" day??

We don't know the weights, the fuel load, or how much they landed with so we can't really tell. Since they were doing a circumnavigation with a planned stop in Dhaka, the distances were fixed. They might have come in with more or less fuel than planned.

Any dispatchers out there with a read on the winds along this approximate track over the last few days?

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:43 am

Well I thought the 787 was already the record holder in its class; the lack of speed getting to its customers and the distance it's driven it's customers to distraction with the continued delays?      

Well done Boeing flying t h i r t e e n people an awfully long way and back again for no reason at all. It is a great record to hold.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:09 am

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 34):
Well done Boeing flying t h i r t e e n people an awfully long way and back again for no reason at all. It is a great record to hold.

Again Airbus had the record for 8 years. Well done Airbus back then, well done Boeing now.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:49 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
set the distance record for its class (440,000-550,000 lbs.) with a 10,710 nmi (19,835 km) flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh, with credit for 10,337 nmi (19,144 km). This record had previously been held by the Airbus A330 based on a 9,127 nmi (16,903 km) flight in 2002.

Congratulations to Boeing and the 787 for achieving this.

Quoting flylku (Reply 22):
Was it marketing BS when Airbus set the previous record?

No. It wasn't.
It was a bog standard ferry flight from Toulouse to Sydney, for a QF A332.
I.e. it wasn't Airbus's aircraft - it was QF's

For what it's worth, it's quite possible that a stripped-out A330 with no meaningful payload could be equally capable of these kind of distances on heavy tailwind eastbound sectors....

Quoting rj777 (Reply 13):
Where did it say what the speed was?

It quoted a time for the circumnavigation

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes.


[Edited 2011-12-08 22:54:18]
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:06 am

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 34):
Well I thought the 787 was already the record holder in its class; the lack of speed getting to its customers and the distance it's driven it's customers to distraction with the continued delays?

Well done Boeing flying t h i r t e e n people an awfully long way and back again for no reason at all. It is a great record to hold.

Just amazing.   Why do people have to take a simple PR event and spin it into a negative?

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:58 am

An impressive feat for the 787.

Some predictable comments here though.
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:20 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):
That it can fly far further than anything of this size before, and at a lower trip cost.

It better should, the A330 is over 14 years older.

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 34):
Well I thought the 787 was already the record holder in its class; the lack of speed getting to its customers

 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:23 am

Congratulations to Boeing, a wonderful acheivement!!

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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:59 am

I am waiting to see this in real life as I will be on the first commercial long haul on the ANA 787-8 from Haneda to Frankfurt January 21. Let's see if the ANA flight deck crew and 787 in use for this flight can beat the speed record for the a/c category/distance on this flight.

The 787 is just another subsonic - certainly no Concorde - but it seems to be a good aircraft, certainly very beautiful. I will be able to comment on its qualities after I get off the flight and experience it on hand. I don't think any of the intra-Japan f lights can really value the 787 to its true capability.

I am looking forward to the experience even if we don't do any world record on the flight. Maybe an unexpected surprise.

Congrats to Boeing. A very beautiful looking subsonic. I look forward to watching the wing flex in real life!

     
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:23 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible rang

No, they are outstanding with no payload..
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
There's nothing wrong with "telling us" they did it, but it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record!

So is the below statement fiction and not fact?

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
This record had previously been held by the Airbus A330 based on a 9,127 nmi (16,903 km) flight in 2002.
Quoting SEA (Reply 29):
Are you saying it's BS because the record was set by Boeing? I remember the Airbus fanclub cheering quite loudly when the A330-200 set the last record in this category back in I think 2003 (and this was a ferry flight):

RE: Longest Flight (distance) Of Commercial Plane: (by Timz Jul 8 2005 in Civil Aviation)

RE: World's Longest Jet Flight (by Timz Feb 10 2004 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...s/aircraft-airbus-330200/global/en

Everybody cheered about it then, Boeing or Airbus fan alike, Why not when the 787 sets the new record?

[Edited 2011-12-08 20:22:34]

Same question, did this actually happen or was it fiction?

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 25):
Such world records are defined by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) in Lousanne, Switzerland. This record was set in FAI category C-1r which is fixed wing powered planes with a take-off mass between 200,000 and 250,000 kg.

The true record holder by FAI definition isn't Boeing, but the captain on the flight.

The previous record with an A330 wasn't held by Airbus either, but by Australian captain Bruce Simpson. It was an ordinary delivery flight of a new plane from Toulouse to Melbourne on Christmas Day 2002.

So ultimately what are we saying, this record is of importance to Boeing because they need all the good PR that they can get which will allow them to sell a/c to customers, has the quality of their a/c declined so much in comparison to their competitors that they have to go to smoke and mirrors to get sales, is that what we are saying?
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:44 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes
Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
There was no previous around-the-world speed record for this weight class.


What a joke  
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:50 am

Makes me laugh, people here jumping to their defence. It'd be impressive if they had a reasonable load, but this really, really isn't anything amazing. As some of you say, we've seen very much similar pointless PR missions before, whether they're Airbus or Boeing.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:29 pm

G´day

Nice PR stunt, for whatever it was worth.  

Reminds me though, has Boeing ever published any range performance charts of 787-8´s presently being delivered and future production iterations of this type?   

A question for the Airbus and Boeing fanboys: Would a late model high gross weight A 330-200 be able to beat this record?   


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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:44 pm

Gee wizz guys... if i'm not mistaken, we are all members on this site because we love aviation, whether civil, military, or other... and it constantly amazes me that there is a constant stream of nay-sayers, when something, maybe not groundbreaking, but exciting none the less happens.... oh well it was Boeing this time .... so boo, or Airbus did this, yeh, but they have funny side joysticks.... Get serious...

Whether it was PR or not, that distance for that class of aircraft, A, OR B is a great achievement   
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:48 pm

Other than to the members of this forum, does the PR statements made by the Boeing and Airbus really mean anything ?
Surely no airline would pay any attention when deciding what aircraft to buy. Nor would any potential passenger care.
 
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RE: 787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:54 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 47):
It'd be impressive if they had a reasonable load

No one insists the worlds fastest car should carry a "reasonable load". Yet it's achievements are congratulated and accepted. Similar can be said for any vehicle setting speed or distance records.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 46):
Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes
Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
There was no previous around-the-world speed record for this weight class.


What a joke

Why? Someone has to be first!
The world did not come into existence with pre-set records you know!
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