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AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:56 pm

American Eagle will fly to two new destinations in Iowa from Spring 2012.

- Sioux City (SUX): 2 daily fliths
- Waterloo (ALO): 2 daily flights

Proposed schedules are:

ORD 1250 SUX 1435 D
ORD 1930 SUX 2115 D

SUX 0630 ORD 0755 D
SUX 1510 ORD 1640 D

ORD 1430 ALO 1535 D
ORD 1930 ALO 2045 D

ALO 0630 ORD 0730 D
ALO 1620 ORD 1720 D

Both markets are EAS subsidized.

Source: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3413
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:14 am

New destinations are always good. I have an odd feeling I'll probably end up seeing a lot of Sioux City and Waterloo...
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:15 am

What an appropriate airport identifier. SUX. hah!
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:19 am

SUX service to ORD should do well.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:53 pm

I think at one point in 1990/91, UA served SUX with mainline equipment, at least in part to thank the town's residents for their support after the 1989 DC-10 crash at SUX.

Can anyone check UA timetables to confirm this?
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:09 pm

It's good to see AA step into these markets since they might lose DL service to MSP in the future.
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:49 pm

It really is amazing how much Eagle has Iowa covered. This will now be six markets within the state connected to the AA/Eagle network through DFW and/or Chicago. That really is a lot when you think of how relatively small Iowa is (geographically and demographically).

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
It's good to see AA step into these markets since they might lose DL service to MSP in the future.

It follows AA/Eagle's (I believe smart) pattern of trying to enter small U.S. markets where their is little or no competition, and they can generate higher yields that have some halo effect on the rest of their network - particularly through the DFW and Chicago hubs.

Eagle has been very successful in recent years of doing this in a lot of small markets, including both EAS and non-EAS, and also markets with local military bases. Some of these markets haven't worked, but most have (including several former EAS cities that Eagle has been able to turn into self-sustaining stations).

Let's hope these two work out well.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:10 pm

Why is EAS funding service to an airport that already has DL service?
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:21 pm

Although EAS flights are a different history, this adds two new destinations to the Chicago cornerstone, and could be an indication that AA won't dehub ORD.

In the past two years AA has started or resumed service from ORD to PEK, HEL, MEX, TRI, ART, AVP, CHO, FAR, FSD, ILM, MDT, RAP, and I'm sure I forget a few ones.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:15 pm

Hopefully they will continue to add destinations. Maybe even expand service on some of the routes they have started.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 1):

New destinations are always good. I have an odd feeling I'll probably end up seeing a lot of Sioux City and Waterloo...

Well luckily you should already be VERY familiar with ALO
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
It's good to see AA step into these markets since they might lose DL service to MSP in the future.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Why is EAS funding service to an airport that already has DL service?

I'm sure the DL service will be ending once AA starts. DL wasn't getting a subsidy to either of these places even though they were the only show in town. It either looks like they also asked for subsidy and lost or just let AA/MQ have it.

This now makes 8 MSP markets that are losing DL Conn. service after the 6 ZK markets. Here are the 24 markets that DL was either planning on leaving or requesting subsidy for:

MSP markets:

BJI
HIB
INL
JMS
DVL
PIR
ABR
SUX: Going to AA
ALO: AA
BRD: ZK
TVF: ZK
MCW: ZK
FOD: ZK
ATY: ZK
IMT: ZK

DTW markets:

ESC
APN
CIU
PLN

MEM markets:

GLH
MSL
TUP
PIB

Seaport has applied for all these markets but I don't think a decision has been made.

SLC market:

BTM


I'm curious what's going on in the other markets if anyone knows.

[Edited 2011-12-10 13:07:43]
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:42 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 11):
This now makes 8 MSP markets that are losing DL Conn. service after the 6 ZK markets. Here are the 24 markets that DL was either planning on leaving or requesting subsidy for:

MSP markets:

BJI
HIB
INL
JMS
DVL
PIR
ABR
SUX: Going to AA
ALO: AA
BRD: ZK
TVF: ZK
MCW: ZK
FOD: ZK
ATY: ZK
IMT: ZK

So are BJI, HIB, INL, JMS, DVL, and ABR just losing service with no one picking up the contratcs? Or is DL bidding on those cities?

I know PIR loses DL service
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 12):
So are BJI, HIB, INL, JMS, DVL, and ABR just losing service with no one picking up the contratcs? Or is DL bidding on those cities?

Someone's got to fly them so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. PIR service actually keeps getting extended so who knows when that will actually end.

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
This will now be six markets within the state connected to the AA/Eagle network through DFW and/or Chicago.

What one am I missing?

DSM
CID
DBQ
SUX
ALO
???
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 13):
What one am I missing?

DSM
CID
DBQ
SUX
ALO
???

Five. Sorry.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:29 pm

I just checked and they are charging $295 for a return flight. Isn't that a bit too much for a direct flight?
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 13):
What one am I missing?

DSM
CID
DBQ
SUX
ALO

You're not, that's all AA/MQ has in Iowa, although MLI is pretty close.
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:47 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 13):
So are BJI, HIB, INL, JMS, DVL, and ABR just losing service with no one picking up the contratcs? Or is DL bidding on those cities?

Someone's got to fly them so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. PIR service actually keeps getting extended so who knows when that will actually end.

I know DL bid on some of the markets out of MSP; I'm just not sure which ones
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:50 pm

Interesting in that DL is ending service to two markets (BRD and SUX) that have res call centers. Not that its a reason to stay, just ironic.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:32 pm

I keep hoping Eagle will add an EAS market in Western Kansas (Dodge City or Garden City). Given the ties that area has to Mexico, I would think a flight DFW would do nicely.
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:38 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
I keep hoping Eagle will add an EAS market in Western Kansas (Dodge City or Garden City). Given the ties that area has to Mexico, I would think a flight DFW would do nicely.

They just did. AA is starting DFW-Garden City
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 20):
They just did. AA is starting DFW-Garden City

Wow, I must have been sleeping. But, right you are.

I think Dodge City probably would have been a better choice. Finney County is suffering from a declining population, but Ford County has a stronger economy. Dodge city is also centrally located to Liberal and Garden City.
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:50 pm

This is great news for American Eagle and Iowa. I'm glad these cities will continue to see service with a well connected airline to a well connected hub.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
What an appropriate airport identifier. SUX.

I must admit, being a native Iowan, the only time I have been to Sioux City was somewhat of an accident and the place did suck. Also, many Iowans refer to Sioux City as "Sewer City."
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:25 am

Good for both cities to retain jet service with a legacy carrier. Perhaps having non stops to ORD and it being a world wide hub and major business center will help O&D numbers on this route. MSP in this region is more of a "drive to" than a "fly to" city.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:41 am

No offensea to AA and the Chapter 11 hell you are going through, but AA SUX, too funny! This route will probably do well.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:46 am

Interesting, DL was intending to stay in both ALO and SUX, but requesting a subsidy. Eagle must've offered a more economical proposal than what DL submitted.

I wonder what this means for PLN, ESC, CIU where DL was planning to submit bids to continue DTW service.

DL doesn't want to continue APN service.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:45 am

Quoting amccann (Reply 22):
Also, many Iowans refer to Sioux City as "Sewer City."

Yeah, that's what we call it in Sioux Falls too.  
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:51 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 25):
resting, DL was intending to stay in both ALO and SUX, but requesting a subsidy. Eagle must've offered a more economical proposal than what DL submitted.

I wonder what this means for PLN, ESC, CIU where DL was planning to submit bids to continue DTW service.

DL doesn't want to continue APN service.

The AA* bid was a notch less expensive than DL* in ALO, but a notch more expensive in SUX. However both communities (especially the leadership) solidly preferred AA* and access to Chicago. Generally the preference for AA* comes from serving a more key flying traffic market (Chicago vs MSP) and AA*'s success in growing EAS markets. DL* to MSP is seen as the downward trajectory.

I think that ALO and SUX were the only markets with a true competitive bid of the array of DL* EAS targets.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:07 pm

Listed below are the affected service, with what is known so far:

Thief River Falls, MN TVF EAS subsidized 12.0% load factor - no bidders - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Greenville, MS GLH EAS subsidized 27.6% load factor - no bidders
Devils Lake, ND DVL EAS subsidized 30.3% load factor - no bidders - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Watertown, SD ATY EAS subsidized 35.0% load factor - no bidders, - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Muscle Shoals, AL MSL EAS subsidized 35.7% load factor - no bidders
Fort Dodge, IA FOD EAS subsidized 39.1% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Hibbing, MN HIB EAS subsidized 39.2% load factor - no bidders
Alpena, MI APN EAS subsidized 39.5% load factor - no bidders
Tupelo, MS TUP EAS subsidized 41.0% load factor - no bidders
Jamestown, ND JMS EAS subsidized 42.1% load factor - no bidders - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Mason City, IA MCW EAS subsidized 45.9% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid - - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Pierre, SD PIR Not EAS subsidized 47.4% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid, requesting subsidy
Iron Mountain, MI IMT EAS Subsidized 48.7% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Sioux City, IA SUX Not EAS subsidized 51.4% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy - BID AWARD TO AA* ORD
International Falls, MN INL EAS subsidized 52.5% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Brainerd, MN BRD Not EAS subsidized 52.6% load factor - Great Lakes plans to bid, requesting subsidy, - BID AWARD TO ZK MSP
Hattiesburg, MS PIB EAS subsidized 53.7% load factor - no bidders
Escanaba MI ESC EAS subsidized 55.2% load factor - DL will re-bid requesting higher subsidy
Aberdeen, SD ABR Not EAS subsidized 55.6% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy
Pellston MI PLN Not EAS subsidized 58.5% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy
Bemidji, MN BJI Not EAS subsidized 59.3% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy
Sault Ste Marie MI CIU EAS subsidized 60.0% load factor - DL will re-bid requesting higher subsidy
Waterloo, IA ALO Not EAS subsidized 61.4% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy - BID AWARD TO AA* ORD
Butte, MT BTM Not EAS subsidized 65.3% load factor - DL bid requesting a subsidy
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:27 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
I think at one point in 1990/91, UA served SUX with mainline equipment, at least in part to thank the town's residents for their support after the 1989 DC-10 crash at SUX.

Can anyone check UA timetables to confirm this?

UA served SUX with mainline 727/737 flights from both DEN and ORD prior to UA232's emergency landing in 1989. Shortly thereafter, they pulled mainline service. As I remember, either DEN or ORD service remained for longer than the other, but for a short period, they had mainline flights to both hubs. Hence, I was surprised to see these are EAS points. ALO had OZ DC-9 service to ORD, DEN, MSP, and STL for years, and the DC-9 service to STL I think last into the beginning of the TWA years. Originally, the CHI-ALO-SUX route belonged to Mid Continent which was acquired by Braniff in 1952, and was not surrendered until about 1962 when BN transferred that authority to OZ. BN served both cities from Kansas City via OMA and DSM respectively and from MSP until mid 1967. SUX and FSD both saw L-188 and BAC-111 in addition to Convair 340's on the MSP-FSD-SUX-OMA-MKC route, and ALO saw BAC-111's on the MSP-RST-ALO-DSM-MKC route before BN pulled out of FSD, SUX, RST, and ALO. The SUX route went to North Central and the ALO route went to Ozark, so Waterloo became an Ozark only city, while Sioux City had both North Central and Ozark.

I doubt SUX service will do well. Most people there drive to OMA where they avail themselves to nonstop flights to many more places and WN influenced fares.
 
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RE: AA/Eagle Announces 2 New EAS Destinations In IA

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:55 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
Well luckily you should already be VERY familiar with ALO

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Quoting milesrich (Reply 29):
UA served SUX with mainline 727/737 flights from both DEN and ORD prior to UA232's emergency landing in 1989.

SUX also had NW mainline to MSP as late as 1999/2000 (possibly after that, but that's the latest NW timetable I have)
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