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SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:30 pm

I heard a rumor this week from a very reputable source inside the HAS system that SQ will be forced to reduce the now very popular SIN-DME-IAH to 5Xweekly from daily due to a spat with the Russian Government and DME.

Anyone have more info on this?

I must say, I have been in the FIS cue behind the SQ arrivals twice in the past two weeks at IAH....and those planes were full.
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:33 pm

Funnel more through FRA with the SQ A380 going SIN-FRA-JFK in January and LH A380 starting FRA-IAH in autumn - Problem solved.

The Russians really need to understand that this ongoing kind of blackmailing isn't going to work forever. Airlines will keep their options open and might need to start thinking of plan B's sooner whenever they are close to Russian airspace.
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 1):
The Russians really need to understand that this ongoing kind of blackmailing isn't going to work forever. Airlines will keep their options open and might need to start thinking of plan B's sooner whenever they are close to Russian airspace.

But what would SQ's plan B be? DME is unique in that it provided excellent F loads to IAH. SQ have worked so hard in this market that the deserve to keep it, perhaps with an eventual supplemental SIN-IAH n/s if the 789 can make it. Perhaps too Aeroflot is seeing SQ's success and in leaning on the Govt to give them an excuse to start it.

Perhaps SQ should ask the loyal oil folks to put pressure on the Russian Gov't to give them back their frequencies.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:59 pm

It's probably less dramatic than that.

If they reduce it, it probably means it's not doing as well as it was.

Russians don't half ass blackmail like that. If this was true blackmail, Russia would make SQ cancel the service all together. That's one reason AA backed out of the market. I'm sure AA would have paid them off if the service was doing well, but it wasn't.

[Edited 2011-12-10 07:00:46]
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:07 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
SQ have worked so hard in this market that the deserve to keep it, perhaps with an eventual supplemental SIN-IAH n/s if the 789 can make it.

Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 1):

The Russians really need to understand that this ongoing kind of blackmailing isn't going to work forever. Airlines will keep their options open and might need to start thinking of plan B's sooner whenever they are close to Russian airspace.

However they also know how badly airlines need them. Flying from Europe to China, Japan or South Korea, there aren't many viable options.
 
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:13 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):

It's probably less dramatic than that.

If they reduce it, it probably means it's not doing as well as it was.

It is doing just fine. I was specifically told that SQ was "extremely upset" that they are having to reduce it and that the problem was with "DME authorities"

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

Yes, but then the aircraft fills up again on DME-IAH. Up front and down below do really really well.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:37 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
It is doing just fine. I was specifically told that SQ was "extremely upset" that they are having to reduce it and that the problem was with "DME authorities"

Well, I would have an easy time believing that it isnt what it once was.

I monitor corporate travel for a living and many of my clients are large oil and oil related companies in Houston. Last year they were traveling to Russia 5-15 a week in F, J, and Y. However, in the last 9 months I can count the number of travelers Ive seen terminate in Russia on two hands. Ive had a lot people on the flight (traveling all the way to SIN) come off the plane and say it was half empty in all classes. One guy who traveled in November said he downgraded from business to economy at the check in counter because he could tell he could get a whole row of seats on his flight.

I would personally like to see them reroute through PVG. Thats a place Im seeing a lot of Houston Oil traffic headed right now.

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Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:06 pm

What direct services to Asia are there ex IAH? IAH-SIN would be significantly shorter routing through ICN, NRT, PVG, HKG etc. IAH-LAX-SIN or even IAH-EWR-SIN would too all be shorter than going IAH-DME-SIN.

It is fair to assume that this plane is in the market for the IAH-DME traffic as there appear to be ample alternatives to travel between IAH and SIN.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:57 pm

Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is the spat between the Russian Government and IAH, and does SQ have anything to do with this or is SQ the Russians sacrficial lamb to keep this spat going.
 
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):

Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

In conflict with:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):

But what would SQ's plan B be? DME is unique in that it provided excellent F loads to IAH.

So who's right?

Does SU have decent connection to IAH? If so, the move is more-or-less plausible, if not then it may be a stunt on SQ's behalf, as in "It's unfortunate we have to step down in our movement (but the route wasn't as viable anyways)".
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:43 pm

Since the service has really good loads and SQ is being forced to less than daily service, does this mean that IAH could see a SQ A380 in the future?

Quoting something (Reply 7):

What direct services to Asia are there ex IAH?

There is IAH-NRT direct.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:34 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

Yes, but then the aircraft fills up again on DME-IAH. Up front and down below do really really well.

How would a supplement nonstop SIN-IAH do well if the majority of the pax leave the aircraft at DME? I was referring to the idea of a nonstop SIN-IAH flight. Flying via DME is a smart idea.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:49 pm

It's a long shot, but maybe SQ is downgrading the route in favor of LH putting a SQ codeshare on their MOW-FRA and FRA-IAH flights. LF besides, the flight may be too costly to run for SQ as a tag-on, requiring two sets of crews etc.
Remember that LH is upgrading IAH from 744 to A380 (not 748).

This topic needs a source from either DME or SQ to confirm such rumours.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
Russians don't half ass blackmail like that.

Yeah right. They didn't pull the same crap with LH and TP. This must be just everyone's imagination.
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:37 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
One guy who traveled in November said he downgraded from business to economy at the check in counter because he could tell he could get a whole row of seats on his flight.

Nonsense: Nobody downgrades from Business to Economy on that flight unless they are completely mad! Business is fully flat bed and much much more comfortable than a row of 3 seats where you can't even extend your legs when accross.

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

When I flew it it was packed for both legs, but I estimate only about 20% of the passengers flying SIN-IAH. SIN-DME is all Russians coming back from their south-east asian holidays. DME-IAH was a different load of russians. Don't forget this flight is Transaero codeshare.
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:48 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Yeah right. They didn't pull the same crap with LH and TP. This must be just everyone's imagination.

Just because Russian government is constantly demonized by western media has nothing to do with reality. There are certainly numerous occasions where Russian government did indeed pressure (LH Cargo) but let's not forget that US and namely Canada (EK spat) also use their vast territories as a pretext to limit Fifth Freedom rights with city states (SIN, DXB ...) protecting their interests.

Why is Russia always harshly criticized for protecting its interests is beyond me. Obviously SU or even UN would/should try IAH as I am sure they will be successful even without F but in this particular case the whole issue has NOTHING to do with neither SU/UN nor Russian government. The spat is between SQ and DME airport (which is a PRIVATE!!! company - East Line Group).

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
The Russian government doesn't like foreign companies making money in Russia the honest way. It's as simple as that.

Oh come on. That statement is utter crap. I work for a swiss company and not only are we more than welcomed in Russia but Russian market has grown to contribute more than 70% of our PROFITS!!! while being only 17.5% of our group turnover.

Trust me western companies love working in Russia.

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Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:57 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):

Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

Probably because anyone going to IAH from SIN is goibg via one of the West Coast ports such as LAX or SFO. SIN-LAX-IAH is shorter than SIN-DME-IAH and wouldn't require a Russian transit visa.
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:08 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 14):
Nonsense: Nobody downgrades from Business to Economy on that flight unless they are completely mad! Business is fully flat bed and much much more comfortable than a row of 3 seats where you can't even extend your legs when accross.

You do if your company bought the ticket and you can pocket they let you pocket the difference as was the case with this guy.

Does anyone have any factual data on this route broken down by leg? It might end the speculation. If it proves me wrong, Ill shut up about it.

[Edited 2011-12-10 16:11:14]
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:22 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
You do if your company bought the ticket and you can pocket they let you pocket the difference as was the case with this guy.

Isn't that illegal? BTW, I will spin any story to justify myself pocketing $2000-$3000 for enduring 20 hours in Y. For that amount of money, I will sit in Y even if it is packed.
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:26 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 18):
Isn't that illegal? BTW, I will spin any story to justify myself pocketing $2000-$3000 for enduring 20 hours in Y. For that amount of money, I will sit in Y even if it is packed.

In his case, he doesnt need to. His company is well aware of business class prices. If he flies Y instead of J, they will pay him to do it. In his case the difference in fare was $7000 and his company let him keep $2000. Since it their travel policy that he can fly business on all over the water flights, they have to let him do it if he chooses.
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:42 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
like to see them reroute through PVG

No fifth freedom flight rights in china right now.

Quoting sofianec (Reply 15):
Russian market has grown to contribute more than 70% of our PROFITS!!! while being only 17.5% of our group turnover.

Fingers crossed this continues, as so many companies have found out that the lifespan of superprofits like this in Russia is about 18 months.

Russia is one tough country to work in. Russia is on the 154th place out of 178 in the Corruption Perceptions Index published by Transparency International. More corrupt that Nigeria and Pakistan.

World bank has it as the 123rd most difficult country in which to do business in 2010. For comparison - Bangladesh was 107th and China 79th.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...lue+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=asc


Corruption in the country exceeded US$240 billion in 2006. The Russian think tank Indem estimates that bribes accounted for 20% of Russia's GDP as of 2005.

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Quoting sofianec (Reply 15):
The spat is between SQ and DME airport

What spat is this?

Quoting Semaex (Reply 1):
Funnel more through FRA
Quoting Semaex (Reply 12):
maybe SQ is downgrading the route in favor of LH putting a SQ codeshare on their MOW-FRA and FRA-IAH

SQ working as a true alliance carrier?
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:56 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Problem appears to be that not many people fly SIN-IAH. According to some reports here on Anet almost the entire aircraft terminates at DME coming from SIN.

Not correct. See below.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
Does anyone have any factual data on this route broken down by leg? It might end the speculation. If it proves me wrong, Ill shut up about it.

The data is readily available on the Houston Airport System website. Here is just a sample from
July-Oct of this year:

July: 69.8% of the passengers who deplaned in Houston originated with the flight in SIN.
67.6% of the passengers who enplaned in Houston terminated with the flight in SIN.

Aug: 68.5% of the passengers who deplaned in Houston originated with the flight in SIN.
63.0% of the passengers who enplaned in Houston terminated with the flight in SIN.

Sep: 64.3% of the passengers who deplaned in Houston originated with the flight in SIN.
67.9% of the passengers who enplaned in Houston terminated with the flight in SIN.

Oct: 63.8% of the passengers who deplaned in Houston originated with the flight in SIN.
68.4% of the passengers who enplaned in Houston terminated with the flight in SIN.

http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats

You will have to do the math for other months on your own but the breakdown has always been around 67% SIN traffic and 33% DME traffic give or take a few percentage points.
 
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RE: SQ Forced To Reduce IAH Frequencies? Rumor

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:57 am

SQ should rather start SIN-OSL-IAH 3-4w. The market is for sure there based on Norwegian shipping, oil and energy business between the cities.
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:57 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
The Russian government doesn't like foreign companies making money in Russia the honest way. It's as simple as that.

They like it.. as long as they get their slice of the pie (LH was denied overflight rights after moving their cargo stop from Moscow to Almaty. They now stop-over in the radiantly beautiful Krasnoyarsk.) There is probably a lot more to the story, but either way, Russian skies unlock in exchange for $ only.

I assume SQ was given the same kind of shakedown.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 20):
Russia is one tough country to work in. Russia is on the 154th place out of 178 in the Corruption Perceptions Index published by Transparency International. More corrupt that Nigeria and Pakistan.

All of these ratings and organizations are USA-financed therefore objectivity should be taken with lots of spoons of salt. I am sure that Russian based "humanitarian" agencies would rate USA in the bottom.

Just so you know I've worked with both American and Russian customers since 1995 (Private Aviation) - that is way longer than 18 months. While it is true there are many challenges in Russia for foreign companies, it's well worth it in the end. Just a different system, needs customized approach. That's all. Cold war agenda based statistics are meaningless here, not to mention completely out of context.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 20):
What spat is this?

The same spat this thread is about. It is unrelated to government issues therefore I don't understand all the Putin-bashing here.

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Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:16 am

Well. I am not surprised! The Russians have been infamous for doing business with. They will either make last minute changes that you are not aware of it or even suspend your contract if they are not happy with it. As for the SQ case. if this changes is real , I am pretty sure SU is not happy that UN is currently codesharing with SQ on DME-IAH route. I presumed this could be resolved by codesharing with SU instead since UN is pretty large carrier and does not really need support and secondly , SU is a national carrier of Russia.

[Edited 2011-12-10 19:19:24]

[Edited 2011-12-10 19:20:06]
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:02 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 21):

Thanks for that, but I wonder what the actual loads on the plane are. And if most of the traffic is SIN bound, would another city make sense? Since PVG isn't an option what about OSL or another oil city?
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:19 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
perhaps with an eventual supplemental SIN-IAH n/s if the 789 can make it.

Not even close, I fear.

You'd need a 777-200LR to fly that route. I'm not sure an A340-500 could do it.

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Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:24 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 27):
Not even close, I fear.

You'd need a 777-200LR to fly that route. I'm not sure an A340-500 could do it.

It is 500 nm more than SIN-JFK:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sin-jfk%0D%0Asin-iah&MS=wls&DU=mi

But more importantly, it is further away from a polar route, so the "round the world" routing which is used for JFK is not possible, and I think the return trip is not possible for any plane currently available including the 345 and 77L.
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:54 am

Quoting Semaex (Reply 9):
may be a stunt on SQ's behalf, as in "It's unfortunate we have to step down in our movement (but the route wasn't as viable anyways)".

When SQ decided to leave Canada, you don't see them playing such a stunt. Fact is, SQ is not some LCC who needs to turn every frequency reduction into something worthy to hit front page news.

Quoting sofianec (Reply 15):
city states (SIN, DXB ...)

Singapore is a true city-state but not Dubai. The issue is not with city states, it is the issue of perceived O&D market sizes.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:09 am

Quoting something (Reply 23):
They like it.. as long as they get their slice of the pie (LH was denied overflight rights after moving their cargo stop from Moscow to Almaty. They now stop-over in the radiantly beautiful Krasnoyarsk.) There is probably a lot more to the story, but either way, Russian skies unlock in exchange for $ only.

First of all LH were not "denied" overflight rights. LH Cargo (not LH) overflight permit had expired. It was not terminated it had expired. You're right about the fact there is a lot more to the story. Here it is:

1. LH Cargo signs an MOU with Krasnoyarsk oblast to use the airport as a LH Cargo base.

2. Krasnoyarsk government invests 56 mil $ to upgrade the airport facilities to LH Cargo specs expecting LH Cargo to honor its commitment.

3. Kazakhstan government bribes (allegedly) LH Cargo to switch to Astana's bright new shiny and very very empty airport. LH Cargo switches to Astana and LH gets practically unlimited rights to fly to KZ as part of the hush-hush.

4. Krasnoyarsk ends up with an upgraded airport, debt and no-one to use it. Files a complaint with the courts and Russian Aviation Authorities.

5. Courts grants injunction against LH Cargo. LH Cargo's overflying right renewal application is blocked by a court order until they pay-up for screwing Krasnoyarsk.

6. Instead of paying-up LH Cargo decides to go back to using Krasnoyarsk as a hub instead of Astana (screwing Kazakhstan). Krasnoyarsk forfeits the amount awarded as a goodwill gesture.

Are there any FREE of $$$ skies to overfly?

BTW German conglomerates incl. but not limited to Siemens, Bayer and others are infamous for worldwide corruption practices. It's just business (or so they say). Google it!

Quoting something (Reply 23):
I assume SQ was given the same kind of shakedown.

Don't assume erroneously.

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Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:13 am

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 29):
Singapore is a true city-state but not Dubai. The issue is not with city states, it is the issue of perceived O&D market sizes.

Well ... naturally but most people do consider DXB as a city-state/emirate/.

The fact is however that SIN-IAH in itself is not sustainable. SIN-DME is as is DME-IAH both relying mostly on Russian-originating traffic.

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Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:42 am

SAS has had the same problem with the Russians. Aeroflot wanted more frequensies to OSL and when they did'nt get them, the Russians treatend to kick SAS out of Russian airspace ... Aeroflot got wat they wanted ...
 
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:08 am

Quoting sofianec (Reply 24):

The same spat this thread is about.

Talk of a spat between DME and SQ is just idle gossip. No links, no quotes, nothing

Amazing how you are so sure about this, but when quotes and links are given, you turn anti american..

Quoting sofianec (Reply 24):
All of these ratings and organizations are USA-financed therefore objectivity should be taken with lots of spoons of salt.

Thats right - when independent statistics dont match your anecdotal evidence, bash the independence of the statistics.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Transparency International is based in Berlin. At least check your facts before bashing the US.


Wall Street Journal - owned by an australian states

"No doubt about it—the place Russia occupies in the index is reserved for extremely corrupt states."

http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/...ussia-turns-slightly-less-extreme/

How about the Swiss government:

"Corruption is a major obstacle in Russia."

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business..._risk_and_reward.html?cid=30632818

How about a russian think tank..

According to new figures released by Information Science for Democracy (INDEM), a Moscow-based foundation, a staggering US $319 billion (€216 billion) in bribes is paid out each year in Russia. With a population estimated at just over 142 million, that is an average pay-out of more than US $2,000 a year per head.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:10 am

Quoting sofianec (Reply 30):
BTW German conglomerates incl. but not limited to Siemens, Bayer and others are infamous for worldwide corruption practices.

I'm afraid this sentence discredits your whole post.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:35 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 30):
1. LH Cargo signs an MOU with Krasnoyarsk oblast to use the airport as a LH Cargo base.

2. Krasnoyarsk government invests 56 mil $ to upgrade the airport facilities to LH Cargo specs expecting LH Cargo to honor its commitment.

3. Kazakhstan government bribes (allegedly) LH Cargo to switch to Astana's bright new shiny and very very empty airport. LH Cargo switches to Astana and LH gets practically unlimited rights to fly to KZ as part of the hush-hush.

4. Krasnoyarsk ends up with an upgraded airport, debt and no-one to use it. Files a complaint with the courts and Russian Aviation Authorities.

5. Courts grants injunction against LH Cargo. LH Cargo's overflying right renewal application is blocked by a court order until they pay-up for screwing Krasnoyarsk.

6. Instead of paying-up LH Cargo decides to go back to using Krasnoyarsk as a hub instead of Astana (screwing Kazakhstan). Krasnoyarsk forfeits the amount awarded as a goodwill gesture.

I can assure you that this is not what happened. I shall elucidate the matter later.

Just so much, resident a.net and then MD11F LH Cargo pilot wilco737 posted in a thread pertaining to the matter:

Quote:
There were times when we actually had to avoid the Russian Airspace. And when we said we fly to KJA everything was fine.
but I must say from what I heard, that the airport in KJA is really looking forward for our flights. They did a lot at the airport to make it more attractive. All the things we told them we need were fulfilled. Operation starts from June.
Lufthansa Cargo Drop Astana Hub (by 777way May 4 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Which so far is a 100% congruent with the WTO's account on this issue.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 33):
Wall Street Journal - owned by an australian states

To be fair though, the WSJ is a heavily right-wing biased piece of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp garbage. I tried reading it a few times but couldn't make it past the first 1-2 paragraphs of the articles I read. They had an article about AMR filing for bankruptcy and according to the journalist, it is all the unions fault, the company is otherwise a great enterprise.

But either way, the ''don't assume erroneously'' remark appears quite ironic in this context.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:38 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 31):
Well ... naturally but most people do consider DXB as a city-state/emirate/.

A city-state by accurate definition is an independent sovereign state which is also a single city in its own right. Calling Dubai as such suggests you are questioning the existence of the UAE, or perhaps you somehow think the "states" in the USA refers to 50 sovereign states?

And just who is "most people"? Do not assume the majority is always right, if we assume there is such a majority in the first place.

Quoting sofianec (Reply 31):
The fact is however that SIN-IAH in itself is not sustainable. SIN-DME is as is DME-IAH both relying mostly on Russian-originating traffic.

The fact as shown above is that around 67% of SIN-IAH traffic did not board or alight at DME. Do you have viable alternative information to suggest otherwise, instead of assuming every small country cannot sustain long-haul flights to secondary cities?
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:39 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 26):
Thanks for that, but I wonder what the actual loads on the plane are. And if most of the traffic is SIN bound, would another city make sense? Since PVG isn't an option what about OSL or another oil city?

The SIN traffic is more low yield SE Asian..like to Vietnam....whiel the IAH -DME traffic is mostly F & J....it is a nice balance.


What we all forget that this route was started on the back of Cargo....and cargo continues to make this route.
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Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:28 pm

Quoting arn777 (Reply 22):
SQ should rather start SIN-OSL-IAH 3-4w. The market is for sure there based on Norwegian shipping, oil and energy business between the cities.

Good idea if SQ has to reduce frequencies via DME. Not sure if SIN-OSL-IAH would still be attractive if flown the 2 days SQ "can't fly" via DME.

Would SIN-DME-IAH 4 per week and SIN-LED-IAH thrice weekly make sense?
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:43 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 24):
organizations are USA-financed therefore objectivity should be taken with lots of spoons of salt. I am sure that Russian based "humanitarian" agencies would rate USA in the bottom.

I thought transparency international is based out of Berlin with about 100 chapters all over the world. If there is actually shady doings by the government, which given these last elections they are capable of anything, it makes it all the more reason why Russia will have a hard time being a truly respected member of worlds business community, which is a dam shame.
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:43 am

Confirmed that SQ would reduce DME/IAH frequency to 5x a week effective 06 Feb 2012.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:53 pm

Quoting ycp81 (Reply 40):
Confirmed that SQ would reduce DME/IAH frequency to 5x a week effective 06 Feb 2012.

So my source was correct. I assume he was also correct about the reason is not LF.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 41):
I assume he was also correct about the reason is not LF.

It depends. Is SQ reducing SIN-DME to 5x a week as well? If so, than that might be right.

If SIN-DME is operating daily, I would say that it is preformance related.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:29 pm

If 4 seats in the middle row of Y is empty, this is better than business class. I can attest to it. I flew both business class and Y in EK and on the flights from DXB to IAH, when the flight was nearly empty, I was far more comfortable in Y than in J.

I also think that the route is not performing as well, as my neighbour who travels to Russia and Singapore, often mentions that the flight no more than half full on most occasions (he generally travels in Y).
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:45 pm

There's obviously more to the story than most of us know on here but I agree with LAXdude1023 in that if the DME-SIN segment is being downgraded to 5X weekly as well that is a likely indication that the move is for political reasons.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:34 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 26):
Thanks for that, but I wonder what the actual loads on the plane are. And if most of the traffic is SIN bound, would another city make sense? Since PVG isn't an option what about OSL or another oil city?

Here are the traffic stats for October 2011

IAH-SIN
enplane (boarded) : 3148
deplane (alighted) : 2905
I am assuming that this flight operated daily in October 2011. So this translates to:

daily average enplane: 101
daily average deplane: 94

IAH-DME
enplane (boarded) : 1457
deplane (alighted) : 1644
I am assuming that this flight operated daily in October 2011. So this translates to:

daily average enplane: 47
daily average deplane: 53

and hence...

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 21):
Oct: 63.8% of the passengers who deplaned in Houston originated with the flight in SIN.
68.4% of the passengers who enplaned in Houston terminated with the flight in SIN.
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:43 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 44):
There's obviously more to the story than most of us know on here but I agree with LAXdude1023 in that if the DME-SIN segment is being downgraded to 5X weekly as well that is a likely indication that the move is for political reasons.

Even then, I think its preformance driven. As I mentioned earlier some of my biggest clients are Houston oil/oil related companies. There was a time when we would fill the whole J cabin with my clients alone on a particular day. In the last 9 months to a year, we have seen very few SQ bookings terminating in DME. However, we still see lots of SIN bookings. Talking with some of my collegues, theyve told me the same things.

Honestly, if I had to make an educated guess, I think IAH-Russia is drying up somewhat even though IAH-SIN seems to remain strong.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:29 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
I would personally like to see them reroute through PVG. Thats a place Im seeing a lot of Houston Oil traffic headed right now.

PVG is directly on the Great Circle Route according to gcmap.com, it's no extra distance to fly SIN-PVG-IAH vs SIN-IAH. 0nm difference than the direct flight, that is pretty amazing. Unfortunately SQ do not have 5th freedom at PVG. It would be a great idea if they did.

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 36):
instead of assuming every small country cannot sustain long-haul flights to secondary cities?

Houston is a secondary city? It is the 4th largest city in the United States. If that constitutes a secondary city, then Los Angeles is a secondary city also, as it's not the very largest, either.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 31):

The fact is however that SIN-IAH in itself is not sustainable. SIN-DME is as is DME-IAH both relying mostly on Russian-originating traffic.

This is nonsense. I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever been involved with an oil rig in Asia has at one time travelled from IAH to SIN. I have done the trip 12 times over the past 2 years. Unfortunately every time I haven't been able to get on the SQ flight (full) and normally take QR (also very nice).

I would be curious to see the full traffic numbers from IAH to SIN (not just SQ) as most of the people I talk to on the IAH QR flights are heading for SIN or China.
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Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:54 pm

Quoting NUAir (Reply 48):
I would be curious to see the full traffic numbers from IAH to SIN (not just SQ) as most of the people I talk to on the IAH QR flights are heading for SIN or China.

Its a 45 passenger a day market. Other than SQ, I think CO carries the most through NRT.
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