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Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:50 am

I'm not sure we have any active ex CO, now UA 757 crew on these boards but there's this questions I've been wondering about for the longest time: With the exception of LHR and CDG (sorry AMS, BRU and FRA), CO/UA flies their 757s into a lot of secondary or tertiary markets in Europe most of which don't have very much to offer to tourists, especially if you have to go there more than once. So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

Which suggests wondering, what are the most sought-after layovers for said CO 757 crew ex EWR?

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:53 am

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Sp how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

None of those places sound bad to me! But it is a good question. I imagine they attract people with a decent amount of seniority, but not enough to hold flights to Asia/India/Israel. I can't imagine they are "unpopular" flights just because they are secondary European destinations.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:59 am

Well at EK, they always have new recruits who haven't been to all stations yet, people who have personal attachments to various cities etc. but there is definitely no shortage of them in their internal swap-shop. It's really tricky to get a SYD, SFO, JFK, CDG or LON flight (despite there being 8 daily), but you can have a DUS, MAN, ACC etc. anytime you like.

And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London or Los Angeles (assuming, that is in fact a layover for them).
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:15 am

Contrary to popular opinion, airline layovers cease to be about the destination after your first few trips. 'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay. The 757 trips are popular with crews because they are mostly 3 day trips for reasonably high time. For pilots, the 757s can run fairly junior, so lower seniority pilots can snag some decent trips with minimal time away from base.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
Paris

757 destination.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
London

757 destination.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
Los Angeles

99% of European 757 destinations have more to see than LA (sorry Angelenos  ).
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:17 am

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN,

I imagine CPH and possibly SNN are pretty popular.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow,

There are other factors too, at least for pilots. If the 757 pilots make their flights mostly to Europe, even the "unattractive" destinations, they get their hours quicker and get more days off for the month. I'd imagine that for a lot of them more time at home trumps even the best layover cities.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Quoting something (Reply 2):
Paris

757 destination.
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Quoting something (Reply 2):
London

757 destination.

I know, that's why they could be there, instead of in Glasgow, Manchester or Shannon. Lisbon is also pretty nice.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Contrary to popular opinion, airline layovers cease to be about the destination after your first few trips. 'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay. The 757 trips are popular with crews because they are mostly 3 day trips for reasonably high time. For pilots, the 757s can run fairly junior, so lower seniority pilots can snag some decent trips with minimal time away from base.

Layovers are always good to increase your salary, but you don't make less money on a LHR than on a SNN layover. Unless of course, your stay at either destination is longer which I wouldn't know, but don't suppose to be.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:12 am

Quoting something (Reply 5):
Layovers are always good to increase your salary,

They really don't, that per diem might not be taxable but you aren't making your car payments on it! It's all about the block time. That's why the most important metric is paid time vs. time away from base. 3 day Europe turns are reasonably good for this.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:34 am

Actually, most of the U.K. trips are the least senior. Most senior crews would rather fly to the German, Italian, and Spanish destinations. (More block hours and better layovers)
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:08 am

most of my layovers (overnights) are spent catching up with family and friends.... after you have been to a destination 214 times ( no joke thats my SYD over nights) then there is nothing to see or do, so i jump in a car and drive north for 2 hrs, catch up with friends and family.
In some other ports, where alot of your friends that fly with you out of your base are overnighting, it usually turns into drinks in the hotel bar, followed by a 0300 walk to the nearest maccas or burger king.
There is only so much to see and do at a destination. Sometimes i catch up on shoping, like i need to buy coffee because i have nothing else to do.
But most of my firends i fly with, use over nights for seeing family and friends, and bid accordingly or swap trips with other flight attendants accordingly.
The same destination gets boring after about the 4th time....
I go to SYD for the 3rd time this month already and its only the 12th...... i plan on sleeping and not leaving the hotel!
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:27 am

To see evidence pay and hours matter more than the destination, look at BRU. When all UA did was IAD-BRU, the flight wasn't more or less senior than any other TATL, but since UA took over the EWR route from CO and the crew is routed IAD-BRU-EWR-BRU-IAD, every flight is staffed with grannies and grandpas.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:36 am

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London

Glasgow short of attractions? Have you ever been to Glasgow? Or Manchester? As a Mancunian I'd concede that Glasgow's possibly slightly more interesting with its Charles Rennie Mackintosh heritage, but the two are packed full of things to do and see and both attract millions upon millions of foreign tourists.
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:48 am

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So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

I'm sorry, but this sounds like a classic case of "London (or Paris) centricty" to me.

HAM and CPH are large, major European Cities with dozens of attractions in and around them.

SNN is in the middle of one of the most Beautiful parts of Ireland, with tonnes of amazingly beautiful places with a short drive.

MAN and GLA - two of the UK's best good time towns!

Only somebody culturally stunted would want to go to London and Paris all the time.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:37 am

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 10):
Have you ever been to Glasgow? Or Manchester?

I have been to almost all of these cities and as I said.. they're okay to visit once, maybe twice, but they're all just not very spectacular places. Nothing against any of these places, really, and I'm sure the people there are great. It's just that I can think of a great number of cities (be it Paris, London, Rome, Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Venice, ...) that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

I also don't know if there are any layovers for CO/UA 757 crew in the Caribbean/Central America, which I'd also prefer to visit. It might be a personal preference, but I'd find it hard to believe I'm the only one who thinks that way.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:53 am

Quoting something (Reply 12):
I have been to almost all of these cities and as I said.. they're okay to visit once, maybe twice, but they're all just not very spectacular places. Nothing against any of these places, really, and I'm sure the people there are great. It's just that I can think of a great number of cities (be it Paris, London, Rome, Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Venice, ...) that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

Absolutely, and nobody's having a go. It's just such a hugely subjective point; not that I want to denigrate any other city, but personally I wouldn't be disappointed if I never went to London or Paris ever again! I'd never get bored with Berlin, Munich, Los Angeles or Glasgow....

P.S. Nobody's mentioned Birmingham. I love it!

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:42 am

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 13):
It's just such a hugely subjective point

Exactly! I was shocked that the OP included CPH and HAM in the list as they are two of my top 5 cities in Europe.

In addition, CO and DL really have a wide choice of destinations in Europe - and it would take you quite some time before you got through all of them. Additionally, it's typical now to get just a one night trip, so you would never really get to see any destination fully on a single trip.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:52 pm

The U K trips are staffed are staffed with mostly junior fas and reserves. HAM.TXL,STR,MUC AMS, ZRH, MAD, etc. go alot more senior. The most senior trips are the long haul trips to India, China ,Tel Aviv, etc.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 6):
They really don't, that per diem might not be taxable but you aren't making your car payments on it!

Sadly, I know a lot of onboard crews that try to...

Quoting something (Reply 12):
that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

These folks aren't tourists anymore. They've been to the Tate Modern and the Louvre. They've visited the Tower of London and the Eiffel Tower.

When it comes down to truly enjoying a place - beyond its tourist attractions - I have way more fun in the cities you don't seem to like. The people are friendly and approachable, the food tasty and accessible, and the stress level much lower.

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN

If I can find plenty of things to do in places like IND, MSP and CMH...I'm sure there's plenty of interesting things to do in those cities.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:04 pm

You have to realize that this is job and not a vacation. You want to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time. Most FAs don't like long layovers, especially in expensive touresty cities. Once you have seen Big Ben or the Eifel Tower you are over it. Give me a comfortable hotel room and good meal with a nice glass of wine or beer , and I'm happy.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:34 pm

GLA is actually one of the favoured "layovers"
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:52 pm

By leaps and bounds, UK layovers on the 757 are the junior trips out of EWR because they're less lucrative. They tend to be the most fun, however, because the crews are younger and more inclined to venture out of the hotel for dinner, drinks, sightseeing, etc. With the exception of LHR, they're the easiest trips to work because the clientele is friendly and well mannered. Of all the UK/Ireland flying, I would guess that EDI and DUB tend to be the most sought after trips.

As for the rest of Europe, OSL, CPH, ARN and BCN(cruise passengers) are difficult markets and horrible to work in the main cabin. Unlike UA, we at CO bid not only for the destination city but also the position we work on the aircraft, so Business Galley is the most sought after position typically because there's essentially NO customer interaction. STR, TXL, and HAM would be the most senior 757 trips.

Personally, LIS and BFS are my 2 favorite...
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay.

x1000

With the exception of Lagos, it really seems to be about pay and not the destination. A high time trip is always going to go more senior, even if the destination is unpopular. I know I can have fun anywhere, and I love the 757 trips with a smaller, more junior crew.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Indeed once you have a nice crew you can have a good time anywhere! At my airline and I am quite new I have had a decent night in ACC and have friends who have had great trips to LAD and NBO. Don't like Tokyo tough to expensive! Had LAS last week, pretty wild when you have a big crew!
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:14 pm

I have heard from friends at CO (now UA) EWR-based crew, that the EWR-LIM and the EWR-SJO (when they have the 757 scheduled) are pretty popular too... SJO is 5 hrs and LIM is 8hrs from EWR, very decent layovers and the same fly hours as the short TATL routes... Interesting!
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:31 pm

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc

Why would you dread any of those cities (other than MAN, which is merely ok and could result in forced radiation and virtual strip searching)?

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London or Los Angeles (assuming, that is in fact a layover for them).

LAX is a layover for CO crews, but its a harder one to go out and do something.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):

99% of European 757 destinations have more to see than LA (sorry Angelenos &nbsp Wink.

Uh, wrong.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 16):
The people are friendly and approachable, the food tasty and accessible, and the stress level much lower.

And the prices tend to be lower, which is good for someone on a flight attendant's wages.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 23):
I have heard from friends at CO (now UA) EWR-based crew, that the EWR-LIM and the EWR-SJO (when they have the 757 scheduled) are pretty popular too... SJO is 5 hrs and LIM is 8hrs from EWR, very decent layovers and the same fly hours as the short TATL routes... Interesting!

EWR-SJO would be a same-day turn, no?
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 11):
Only somebody culturally stunted would want to go to London and Paris all the time.

From the cultural interest point of view, I couldn't agree more.

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:57 pm

LIM is definitely a senior trip out of EWR. Unfortunately though it's in the EWR domestic base, so I haven't flown it since the Int'l base lost it about 10 years ago because of major changes to the in-flight service. The actual flight itself is wretched to work, but because the layover is fantastic, the trip still goes senior. There aren't many places where I can go to dinner, have a couple drinks, do some shopping and even get a massage for the price of a movie ticket and a bucket of popcorn in NYC. Add that to the fact it's a 5 star hotel with a great free breakfast and gym, and you'll make even the most disgruntled f/a happy!
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:29 pm

I think the OP probably is looking at things very much from the perspective of a tourist. Airline crews generally, though not exclusively, like trips that have the best allowances, hotel etc rather than actual attractions. Remember that many crew will be fairly experienced and will have done London, Paris etc etc a million times over and whilst individual crew might have their favourite place, they will have probably done the sights many times before.

Airlines such as EK might be very different in that the workforce can be incredibly transiant and in many ways it probably is the culture to maybe get as many destinations under your belt. The situation is a world away from CO/UA and many other western carriers.

And don't be fooled, many crews enjoy the 'smaller' Cities and I know for a fact that MAN is generally a popular layover for many.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:46 pm

At the US East side of the house because we have a limited International network, most TATL flights go senior (in the winter). The Caribbean turns out of PHL go senior as wlel becasue they are same day turns. It's not uncommon to see f/a' s with high seniority working the widebody turn from PHL-SJU. TLV is the most popular with the senior crew mwmbers.
I am not a f/a but I travelf for work on a weekly basis, when I am working I just go to the hotel and chill in my rom and get ready to do what I have to do the next day. When working in Europe I prefer stations were the airport is near the city center and there is affordable ground trasnport. While FRA has good train connections to the city it is by far one of my least favorite destinations to visit. I was just in MAN this past summer and it is quite a lovely city.

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:50 pm

ham/arn/str/lis/are some of the hardest trips to get for flight attendants...they are senior for one reason or another..free breakfast in arn/str pays a lot/lis the hotel is amazing/ham beautiful city amazing hotel right in the city center also...just to name a few
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:58 pm

also....anything in the uk is not preferred or senior...doesnt pay as much and its on the pound...
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:04 pm

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Europe most of which don't have very much to offer to tourists, especially if you have to go there more than once. So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN

I suppose you've never actually been to CPH, HAM and MAN. CPH, in particular, is a very sought after tourist destination, and has as much to offer as any European metropole, give or take.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:04 pm

Quoting coewrcrew (Reply 20):
Business Galley is the most sought after position typically because there's essentially NO customer interaction.

What's the point of being a flight attendant if you don't want to interact with customers  
Anyway, does CO crews like laying over in LHR and CDG?
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:31 pm

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 32):

It's just nice to be out of the aisle every so often. The overwhelming majority of our job centers around customer interaction.

As for LHR and CDG trips, the only senior LHR trip is our 2 day that departs EWR in the morning on day 1 and returns in the evening on day 2. The others are typically at least 50% reserve. CDG is not as popular as it used to be when it was flown with DC-10, 764 or 777 equipment. Both CDG trips are now 6 day trips: EWR-CDG-IAD-CDG-EWR. The van ride from CDG into town is horrible and our layover hotels are mediocre at best when compared to the rest of our Europe flying.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:55 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
EWR-SJO would be a same-day turn, no?

I can sometimes do a 25minute flight SYD-CBR and then have a 27hr 'layover' there.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:16 pm

lhr is not popular at all...if you staying downtown london the van ride is like 1 hour minimum...30 of which sometimes is getting out of the airport itself....other wise all the other trips stay by the airport and also london is not popular due to the very strict and sometimes ridiculous liquid bs that applies to us also. they decide what they wanna take. once they took I'm service managers tooth brush...paris the van ride to the hotel is also and hour or more...no one wants to ride that long to the hotel after being up all night working and your dead tired. i have actually damned near needed a straight jacket once riding the van into paris after the trip. almost lost my mind.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:24 pm

as far as the question of whats the point of being a fa if you don't wanna deal with people....hello, sometimes you need and want a break from dealing with people stupid bullshit. for instance just had a lady put her bare feet up on the video screens in first class like she was getting a pap smear at the gyno....i mean how fricken disgusting. people and I'm talking to you that go barefoot on the plane....do you realize how disgusting it is. apparently people are under the impression that the cleaners get out a bucket mop and shampoo the carpets in between trips. PEOPLE vomit, pick their noses and wipe it on the seats and god know what else. thousand and thousands of people have sat in those seats and do god knows what and people take their shoes off and go barefoot. REALLY!
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:38 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 34):

I can sometimes do a 25minute flight SYD-CBR and then have a 27hr 'layover' there.

That's not productive at all. You'll never pay the rent doing trips like that!
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:42 pm

As an ex-COn and NTA (in-house term for our EWR, international crew base) crew member, I can help answer this.

Popular trips tend to be money driven, as in how much do I stand to make on any given trip. SNN isn't worth that much, whereas TXL and BCN are. What is popular is as individual an answer as is what is your favorite food. What makes the trip contains variables as what is going on in that city at that moment, the weather, who your crew will be, how much is the trip worth, etc.. You can have a good paying trip, but with a crappy crew, sh**house weather...why bother. Conversely, you can have a crap paying trip and the crew you could have hand picked yourself and it is golden.

Now that we have flying ex-IAD, we have several 6 day trips on the 757. Those trips can be a blessing or an eternity. It all depends on the variables.

For 757 trips, I prefer our 2 day LHR trip. I am home every day. Heaven. I also like CPH and ARN.

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 32):
Anyway, does CO crews like laying over in LHR and CDG?

It all depends on who your crew is and what it is you want to do there.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 31):
is a very sought after tourist destination

Tourist destination has little to do with crew destination.

Quoting coewrcrew (Reply 33):
The van ride from CDG into town is horrible and our layover hotels are mediocre at best when compared to the rest of our Europe flying.

Yet more variables when picking your layover.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:52 pm

Quoting letsgetwet (Reply 37):

Our contracts work different to those flight attendants around the world... 27hrs on a domestic route is a good slip time.
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Sign-On 2220 Fri
PER-SYD
Dep: 2305 Arr: 0620 +1
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Dep: 1750 Arr: 1945

Total Ground 'layover' Time = 34hrs 30min
My total hrs away from base = 45hrs 40min
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 38):
Tourist destination has little to do with crew destination.

I am perfectly aware of that, it was in response to the OP claiming there's not much to do in Copenhagen. Which is as far from the truth as it can possibly be. I've been on lay-over in CPH hundreds of times, and that city is yet to bore me. It is expensive though.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:32 pm

Quoting ewr767 (Reply 36):
as far as the question of whats the point of being a fa if you don't wanna deal with people....hello, sometimes you need and want a break from dealing with people stupid bullshit. for instance just had a lady put her bare feet up on the video screens in first class like she was getting a pap smear at the gyno....i mean how fricken disgusting. people and I'm talking to you that go barefoot on the plane....do you realize how disgusting it is. apparently people are under the impression that the cleaners get out a bucket mop and shampoo the carpets in between trips. PEOPLE vomit, pick their noses and wipe it on the seats and god know what else. thousand and thousands of people have sat in those seats and do god knows what and people take their shoes off and go barefoot. REALLY!

Thank you! I appreciate your thoughts and honesty about this. Flying is definitely not what it used to be. People are disgusting pigs! Period! The days of getting fixed up for a flight are long gone (though I'm in the minority who will go out of my way to look nice when I fly). Instead most look like they just rolled out of bed recovering from a bad hangover/blackout.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):

99% of European 757 destinations have more to see than LA (sorry Angelenos ).

I'm a Los Angeles native and couldn't agree with you more!!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):

LAX is a layover for CO crews, but its a harder one to go out and do something.

   . Exceptions are the international carriers who fly into LAX put some crews up in Downtown LA and I believe Century City.
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:35 pm

what about for pilots?
since the 752/767 crews are the same, i'd imagine the more senior guys are flying the longer legs such as EWR-HNL, GRU, ATH, FCO on the 767 as well as TXL or ARN on the 752. this goes for the IAH crews too, flying to deep s. america or hawaii, as opposed to those IAH-LAS or MCO runs.
do they not do single day round trips i.e. EWR-SFO-EWR, EWR-LAX-EWR? i'd imagine those would be popular for senior crews if they did. like wise, i'd assume the EWR-Florida runs would be more junior... that is unless they are the most efficient way to get time in while still being able to sleep home, assuming home is in base.
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting something (Thread starter):
CPH

Heeeeeey that's rude!  
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:09 pm

I agree, after a while it is just about the money, something to eat, and a good nights rest...
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:10 am

As already stated, it's all about seniority, the longer trips allow you to build more hours in fewer days giving you more time off, in addition the 767, as a wide body pays more (for Pilots)



So I always bid the highest time trips on the 767, what I end up getting as a fairly junior Captain is mostly 757 flying and fairly unproductive trips
including a lot of the UK.



Having said that, there really is nowhere I don't like going, you make the best out of any destination and I have my favourite restaurants / places to see in every city, many of the smaller ones are delightful.



And, although HNL is productive, I prefer going to Europe.
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:18 am

I flew OSL-EWR this summer on CO and spoke briefly with the FA during a mid-flight stretch/walk to the galley. When I asked her how she likes flying the 757 across the pond, she replied "I hate it. We all do" quite emphatically. Her reasoning was that the single aisle makes working such a long flight difficult due to the increased need for passengers to be out of their seats.

While trying to lighten the conversation, I suggested that "At least you get to spend a day or two in a beautiful country like Norway" to which she replied something to the effect of "Oslo is a beautiful city, but once you've been there 2 or 3 times, it's not too exciting anymore."

We did agree that it beats the hell out of any hotel in Newark.

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As a side note, I changed my flight to fly the 757 from OSL rather than connecting in LHR direct to IAH. The LHR flight was a full 777, and the 757 from OSL was only about 80% full. I was happy to enjoy 8 hours with an empty middle seat next to me rather than an overbooked 777. In this case, I guarantee you the 757 flight was a more comfortable ride for those of us with an extra seat or two near us.
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:47 am

Wow -- shocked at the OP's taste in cities! I believe BER is a 757 flight, too, and there's hardly a more fun and exciting city on the globe! Also, my two friends who used to be CO FA's *loved* doing MAN because the gay scene there is one of the best in Europe. HAM is a barrel of monkeys too.

Plus, I'm guessing that in the "secondary" cities, accommodations can often be either a little nicer, or a little more convenient, due to the lower costs and smaller geographic areas (maybe some crew can confirm or reject this?).

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
The 757 trips are popular with crews because they are mostly 3 day trips for reasonably high time.

3 day trips? Fun euro cities? Hmm... they hiring now?
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting chumley (Reply 46):
When I asked her how she likes flying the 757 across the pond, she replied "I hate it. We all do" quite emphatically.

I think I'm in the minority, but I like working the 757. Compared with the 767 passengers seem to prefer them. Especially with the new business class seats and AVOD throughout. The galleys are smaller than the 767/777, but it really isn't all that bad. Of course I started my career at a regional carrier on the CRJ-200, so a 757 seems huge.
 
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RE: Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:21 am

Quoting nycdave (Reply 47):

3 day trips? Fun euro cities? Hmm... they hiring now?

A 3 day trip is a 24 hour layover. After sleeping and eating, it's hardly a vacation. I don't get why people think we have so much time for fun stuff. (Besides drinking beer in Munich).