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Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:34 pm

I know they have the A380 in their fleet with more on the order books, but do you think Qantas will also order the Boeing 747-8I at some point in the future?

I personally hope they will because the Boeing 747-8I would look awesome in the Qantas Livery. It would also give Qantas a bit more flexibility in regards to capacity similar to what Lufthansa and Korean Air are doing by ordering both the A380 and 747-8I.

Your thoughts?
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:41 pm

Quoting mcpcshowcaseHD (Thread starter):
I know they have the A380 in their fleet with more on the order books, but do you think Qantas will also order the Boeing 747-8I at some point in the future?

I am 100% positive they will not. It serves no purpose in their fleet, as it can perform no mission the A380-800 cannot.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:41 pm

Its highly unlikely Qantas will ever operate 748's as they have A380 and 787-9 on the way. IF QF needs a bigger then 787-9 but smaller then A380 its far more probable they would fly a 777NG, if it ever get built.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:47 pm

The latest fleet plan shown on page 108 of the QF December 2011 investor relations documents shows :

QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

No 747s, 767s, or 787s in the QF fleet by 2021.

Jetstar will operate A320 series and 787s only by 2021.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:48 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 1):
They wont just do it because it would look nice

I know they won't just order because it looks good, it was just a personal thought. The 'business' reason I thought plausible would be to introduce slightly lower capacity below the A380 so to increase flexibility.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
Its highly unlikely Qantas will ever operate 748's as they have A380 and 787-9 on the way. IF QF needs a bigger then 787-9 but smaller then A380 its far more probable they would fly a 777NG, if it ever get built.

I hadn't even considered the 777NG on the basis that Qantas never considered the 777-200LR or 777-300ER.
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:49 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
The latest fleet plan shown on page 108 of the QF December 2011 investor relations documents shows :

QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

No 747s, 767s, or 787s in the QF fleet by 2021.

Jetstar will operate A320 series and 787s only by 2021.

Thanks Zeke. I guess that definitively answers that (for the time being at least).
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:01 pm

The question is, from which size on does a of 380+748 make more money than 380 only, and my guess is that this is from about 40 planes on. Qantas needs about that number of VLA, so I would not exclude it, but don't see them to order with A380s deferred, so not this decade, and will there be 748Is on offer the next decade?
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:02 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):

The latest fleet plan shown on page 108 of the QF December 2011 investor relations documents shows :

QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

2021 is a very, very long time, and I am 99% sure QFs fleet will look a bit different in 2021 than they think in 2011. Btw their A330s will be very old by then. Be sure about a widebody order before 2018 (still a long time to go). But sadly I must agree that a 748 order is unlikely. QF without the 747 is not really QF anymore. For more than 40 years its their main aircraft type.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting na (Reply 8):
Btw their A330s will be very old by then

They're still taking A330's today. Their earliest A330's would only be 18 years old in 2021, so I'd definitely expect QF to still have them unless they got rid of them quickly.

As for the topic -- no way in hell. They'd order 777's or A350's over 748i's.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

It is this type of reluctance to operate mid-size aircraft on QF mainline (as opposed to JQ) that allowed middle-eastern and east-asian competitors to continue erode QF's market share and forcing them to retrench back to the only area they're bullet proof - London and LA. Dumping everything else onto JQ is just running away from the problem that will eventually come back and haunt them.

The unique geography of Australia with population spread across multiple cities and SYD hub being a backtrack for most people calls for smaller sized aircraft performing p2p.

The 747-8i may not be the right plane for them, but there's no excuse on their international front not to operate anything other than A380s. Even EK's long term plan calls for A359 minimum.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:01 pm

I'll reiterate, no way in hell. The 77W is probably a better option than the 748i these days.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I am 100% positive they will not. It serves no purpose in their fleet, as it can perform no mission the A380-800 cannot.

Wouldn't be so sure about that. The 748i can land anywhere a 744 can, the A380 is very limited on which airports it can service (mostly because of its wingspan). On their current route structure, no problem, however if they want to expand, well that could be a problem.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
As for the topic -- no way in hell. They'd order 777's or A350's over 748i's.

No way in hell, if anything the A350 in two sizes is much more likely.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 11):
I'll reiterate, no way in hell. The 77W is probably a better option than the 748i these days.

For some yes, for others not. 77W and 748I are no real alternatives, they belong to different market niches. Optimists go for the 748, pessimists for the 77W, tahats how I see it.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting na (Reply 8):
But sadly I must agree that a 748 order is unlikely. QF without the 747 is not really QF anymore. For more than 40 years its their main aircraft type.

Funnily enough, after the retirement of the last 707 and prior to the introduction of the first 767, QF was 100% 747.

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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting na (Reply 13):
No way in hell, if anything the A350 in two sizes is much more likely.

I should make it clear I'm thinking of a 777NG rather than the current generation. If QF were to order the A350 it would be in small quantities (ie 8 -900's and 4 -1000's) which makes me think that is anything, a Boeing 787-10 for high capacity regional flights, and an enlarged 787-9 fleet would be best overall rather than adding a small additional fleet.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:45 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

No 747s, 767s, or 787s in the QF fleet by 2021.

What a very odd fleet strategy, and what a very odd network strategy it implies. Relying on JQ for everything but the very biggest trunk routes seems like a way to cede a big portion of their lucrative premium business to SQ and the like while keeping only the garbage fares.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:23 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
What a very odd fleet strategy, and what a very odd network strategy it implies.

Honestly, it might not be a bad idea.

NH, for example, is flying very low-density 77Ws on trunk routes, catering to the top end of the market for each class of service (so maximizing RASM to counteract the high CASM), leaving competitors to pick up the rest of the traffic (many using A380s where the lower CASM allows them to remain profitable with lower RASM).

So if QF can convince the top 450 daily customers (by spend) to pick the QF A380 service, they should do quite well for themselves. Then JQ can use the 787-9 for the more price-conscious customers.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:44 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Honestly, it might not be a bad idea.

I'm sure it will work very well on QF's core trunk routes. But I think QF is locking themselves out of other markets. Not every premium-heavy route from Australia can support an A380. I'd think it would be more logical to have some 787-9s configured in a QF international configuration, along with the ones configured for Jetstar.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:54 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):
The 748i can land anywhere a 744 can, the A380 is very limited on which airports it can service (mostly because of its wingspan).

Nonsense! The number of airports that can service the A380 is rising rapidly, and is not really that far behind the number of airports that can handle the B744. And do not forget that also the B747-8i is an ICAO category F aircraft, just as the A380.

As to the question asked: a B747-8i is highly unlikely for QF. They are even delaying the last batch of A380's so they have no plans to add further VLA-capacity to their fleet anytime soon. It would look good in QF's colors, but that is not a decisive element here.  
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:10 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 19):
Nonsense!

Nope, the 748 can land anywhere the 744 can, and lots of other places the A380 cannot
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 20):
Nope, the 748 can land anywhere the 744 can, and lots of other places the A380 cannot

EPA is quite correct the 748i IS CAT F and can therefore ONLY operate from the same cleared airfields as the 388 at this time due to taxiway pavement weight limitations. Nothing to do with length of runway.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 21):
EPA is quite correct the 748i IS CAT F and can therefore ONLY operate from the same cleared airfields as the 388 at this time due to taxiway pavement weight limitations. Nothing to do with length of runway.

The test aircraft have been through SEA numerous times and it's one of the major airports in the U.S. that publicly stated they wouldn't be making the upgrades necessary to accommodate the A380 (not that anyone would send one there). How does that work? PAE, MWH, PDX, PMD and others have all seen the 748I on a regular basis and I'm not aware of any upgrades there...perhaps you could elaborate on the restrictions?

But yes, unfortunately I also doubt that we'll ever see the 748I in QF colors. Their fleet strategy doesn't seem to leave much room for an aircraft of that type and unless I'm mistaken, they've publicly said that they aren't interested. Really a shame, QF 747s are about as iconic an aircraft as you can find in the world and they will be missed.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:47 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 22):
The test aircraft have been through SEA numerous times and it's one of the major airports in the U.S. that publicly stated they wouldn't be making the upgrades necessary to accommodate the A380 (not that anyone would send one there). How does that work? PAE, MWH, PDX, PMD and others have all seen the 748I on a regular basis and I'm not aware of any upgrades there...perhaps you could elaborate on the restrictions?

As you said TEST aircraft operating under Special license and as i said its nothing to do with runway length, but every thing to due with pavement weight limitations.

An in service flight with cargo and/or pax and full fuel will almost certainly impart those loads on taxiways so the airfields need to be prepared way beyond the runway !

Admittedly there are other considerations beyond pavement weight that needs consideration when handling the 388 and even at large airports such as Heathrow specific taxiways are poorly configured and special dedicated routes are necessary. These limitation may be less important with the 748i landing gear geometry.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 23):
As you said TEST aircraft operating under Special license and as i said its nothing to do with runway length, but every thing to due with pavement weight limitations.

I understood the difference between runway length/pavement limits, I just don't completely understand why restrictions related to pavement load limits don't apply to test aircraft. Those sort of rules seem to be in place for the sake of the infrastructure at _______ airport and not the airplane itself so I don't see the reasoning behind a test airplane being exempt. Are they required to operate within certain weight limits? I'm sure that's probably not an issue most of the time, but at some point the plane is going to have to do test missions that simulate full loads...
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:07 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 24):
I understood the difference between runway length/pavement limits, I just don't completely understand why restrictions related to pavement load limits don't apply to test aircraft.

Are they required to operate within certain weight limits? I'm sure that's probably not an issue most of the time, but at some point the plane is going to have to do test missions that simulate full loads...


I would expect this is the case - the test aircraft is not operating at a weight that would affect the pavement or an occasional movement at such a weight would not immediately affect the pavement.

[Edited 2011-12-12 12:09:38]
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:12 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 21):
EPA is quite correct the 748i IS CAT F and can therefore ONLY operate from the same cleared airfields as the 388 at this time due to taxiway pavement weight limitations. Nothing to do with length of runway.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 23):
As you said TEST aircraft operating under Special license and as i said its nothing to do with runway length, but every thing to due with pavement weight limitations.

The limitation has nothing to do with weight and runway lenght. It has to to with its wingspan and clearace from other taxiways. The A380 has a longer wingspan by almost 40ft.

Wingspans:

A388: 79.8 m (261 ft 10 in)
B748i: 68.5 m (224 ft 7 in)

The following airports meet the FAA design standards for the A380:

Anchorage International Airport
Denver International Airport
Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport
John F. Kennedy International Airport
Los Angeles International Airport
Orlando International Airport
Miami International Airport
San Francisco International Airport


In addition, three airports can handle A380 cargo planes:

Memphis International Airport
Louisville International-Standiford Field Airport
Ontario International Airport (California)

Source: http://www.aviationpros.com/news/103...orts-that-can-accommodate-the-a380
The info is a few years old, but only a hadful of airports got approvals after that. The 747-8i is approved for ALL 747-400 certified airports. It was one of the design requirements.


Here is an interesting article:
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/robe...hnology-a380-encounters-turbulence

http://blog.flightstory.net/272/airbus-a380-hits-hangar-in-bangkok/

[Edited 2011-12-12 12:38:52]
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 26):
Here is an interesting article:
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/robe...hnology-a380-encounters-turbulence

http://blog.flightstory.net/272/airb...gkok/

not sure I understand the relevance of the two articles posted
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:00 pm

Quoting TJCAB (Reply 27):
not sure I understand the relevance of the two articles posted

Issues with the longer wingspan vs the 748i.

Quote: "The main problem with the A380 at LAX is that the Superjumbo's wingspan is just too wide for existing runways. Whenever one taxis for takeoff, it requires a special escort all around the jet, and planes that would normally use adjoining taxiways cannot do so because the A380's wingtips come uncomfortably close to passing planes. Not only does this cause air traffic slowdown on takeoffs, a similar level of disruption occurs on landings, when all ground traffic must come to a halt. " and "Yet another problem with the A380's super-wide wingspan is that airport officials worry that the jet's outside engines will kick up debris at the edges of the currently too-narrow runways - debris that could be sucked up by its own engines or by the engines of a trailing aircraft. "

The 747-800i would not have those issues at all

NO, I am not saying QF will ever order it, I am simply making a point that the B748i is more versitile than the A380.
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:06 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 28):
I am simply making a point that the B748i is more versatile than the A380.

It is just not more versatile just because it can land on a couple of airports more then the A380 is allowed to do.   

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 26):
The 747-8i is approved for ALL 747-400 certified airports. It was one of the design requirements.

Not true. This document from ACI & Boeing specifically states where airports might need to make changes to accommodate the B747-8f/i compared to the B747-400.

http://www.aci.aero/aci/aci/file/ACI...on_Agreement%20Doc_Attachments.pdf

Some quotes:

Quote:

The items of aerodrome infrastructure that may be affected by the introduction of the
Boeing 747-8 aircraft have been identified as shown in the tables below as follows:
- Runways (§ 3.2)
Runway width
Runway shoulder
- Taxiways (§ 3.3)
Width of straight taxiway
Width of curved taxiway
Taxiway shoulder width
- Runway separation (§ 3.4)
Runway to parallel Taxiway Separation
Obstacle Free Zone
Runway Holding Positions
- Taxiway and Taxilane Separations (§ 3.5)
Parallel Taxiway Separation
Taxiway/Apron Taxiway to Object Separation
Aircraft Stand Taxilane to Object Separation
Clearance at the Gate Common Agreement Document Boeing 747-8 6
- Other Items (§ 3.6)
Visual aid implications
Taxiways on bridges
Runway End Safety Area (RESA) width




[Edited 2011-12-12 13:33:27]
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:08 pm

QF doesn't have that kind of money anyway. To order it would be a waste of money, especially with 787's and A380's on the way.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):

What a very odd fleet strategy, and what a very odd network strategy it implies.

QF is changing their focus from being a ultra long haul carrier to more Asian centric where middle east airlines find ti hard to compete. Asia has fantastic growth potential, Europe and USA not so, they are some of the worst performing economic areas in the world.

A380s operating on those ULH routes means that QF is operating the most efficent aircraft on those routes, and due to its code share networks away from Australia, and their local network in Austrlia they have got very good access to markets on both ends.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Relying on JQ for everything but the very biggest trunk routes seems like a way to cede a big portion of their lucrative premium business to SQ and the like while keeping only the garbage fares.

SQ has actually been hit fairly hard with the expansion of middle east airlines into Australia, more so I think than QF group has.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 20):

Nope, the 748 can land anywhere the 744 can, and lots of other places the A380 cannot

That is not true, we operate the 748F, and it is restricted into which airports it can operate into. The A380 can operate out of all of the current QF destinations it needs to. I do not see the number of A380 destinations increasing for QF.
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:22 pm

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 30):
QF doesn't have that kind of money anyway.

Ill Informed comment!!!

QF one of the most profitable airlines in the world. If they wanted it they would order the 747-8I but they don't need it.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 32):
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 32):
Ill Informed comment!!!

QF one of the most profitable airlines in the world. If they wanted it they would order the 747-8I but they don't need it.

I didn't know this! i thought they were in financial trouble!
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:26 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
No 747s, 767s, or 787s in the QF fleet by 2021.

Um that's actually completely incorrect regarding the 787. There is no way QF International can operate without the 787 in 2021. You missed the "Additional B787 - allocation TBD based on return measures."

Quoting mcpcshowcaseHD (Thread starter):
do you think Qantas will also order the Boeing 747-8I at some point in the future?

No. The QF long haul fleet of the future is the A380 and the 787.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting sydscott (Reply 34):
Um that's actually completely incorrect regarding the 787. There is no way QF International can operate without the 787 in 2021. You missed the "Additional B787 - allocation TBD based on return measures."

Glad someone finally said it! I was looking down the posts and thinking - everyone is missing the QF 787!
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting sydscott (Reply 34):
Um that's actually completely incorrect regarding the 787. There is no way QF International can operate without the 787 in 2021. You missed the "Additional B787 - allocation TBD based on return measures."

Correct. Additionally, these things are remarkably fluid and subject to much change. No doubt QF will consider the 737Max, 777NG and 350 for its fleet as well and all could be in service by 2021. What they say now and what they say anytime in the future could be completely different and predicting these things 10 years in advance is just that.........a prediction.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:11 pm

Definitely no way.
They Qantas should order 777-300ER because theirs a big gape between the A380 and 787-9 its 300 pasanger diference.
Also 777-300ER can replace some 747-400 and 777-200LR for 747ER.

I think its pretty silly of Lufthansa and Korean Airlines to oreder A380 and 747 8I
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:38 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
The latest fleet plan shown on page 108 of the QF December 2011 investor relations documents shows :

QF international A380 only by 2021
QF domestic A330 and 737-800 only by 2021

No 747s, 767s, or 787s in the QF fleet by 2021.

Jetstar will operate A320 series and 787s only by 2021.

Yep, thats what it says so no 747-8I or 777NG (or A350)

Only A380's (and only 14-20 of them) does not look like a sensible stratergy for Qantas international however, thats SYD& MEL -LHR and SYD-LAX, not even a bird for the DFW flight.
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Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:42 am

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 36):
No doubt QF will consider the 737Max, 777NG and 350 for its fleet as well and all could be in service by 2021.

I'll go out on a limb and say that I doubt QF will order the 737Max in any significant numbers. I think they'll wait until the proper 737 replacement comes out before they roll the fleet. The 777NG and the 350 are possibilities but not likely. What's more likely is QF exercising 787 options to expand.

Quoting QFA380SYD (Reply 37):
I think its pretty silly of Lufthansa and Korean Airlines to oreder A380 and 747 8I

I think there is a place for both in their fleets because they have significant numbers of long haul aircraft. But for an airline such as QF, with a relatively smaller long haul fleet, it makes more sense to stick with the A380 than diversify into a small number of 748's.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 38):
Only A380's (and only 14-20 of them) does not look like a sensible stratergy for Qantas international however, thats SYD& MEL -LHR and SYD-LAX, not even a bird for the DFW flight.

With 12 A380's in the fleet QF can do;

SYD - SIN - LHR - daily
MEL - SIN - LHR - daily
SYD - LAX - daily
MEL - LAX - daily
SYD - HKG - 4 weekly

So with 20 plus 787's the long haul routes, including DFW, will easily be covered without the 748I.

(You'll also note that MEL will become an all Airbus long haul station at QF with SIN-LHR & LAX going A380 and HKG becoming an A330.)
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:51 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
As for the topic -- no way in hell. They'd order 777's or A350's over 748i's.

Be careful, sometimes hell does freeze over.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
It is just not more versatile just because it can land on a couple of airports more then the A380 is allowed to do.

It's more than a couple. And your own quotes somewhat contradict your own point.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
This document from ACI & Boeing specifically states where airports might need to make changes
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
The items of aerodrome infrastructure that may be affected

I admit that I didn't do the research, but when aircraft need special escorts at certain airports when others do not, it weakens your argument just a little bit.
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:09 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 35):
Glad someone finally said it! I was looking down the posts and thinking - everyone is missing the QF 787!

I was going to say the same thing. True, the 747s and 767s will be gone by 2021 but why would the 787 be gone as well? Do you think they would have ordered it if they had plans to phase it out in the near future less than a decade away? The 787 is part of the QF long term fleet plan.

No I don't think QF will order the 747-8i, and neither will SQ. Because they both seem to be very happy with their A380s.
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:18 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 26):
The following airports meet the FAA design standards for the A380:

Anchorage International Airport
Denver International Airport
Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport
John F. Kennedy International Airport
Los Angeles International Airport
Orlando International Airport
Miami International Airport
San Francisco International Airport

Can you think of one other airlport in USA that QF would ever consider flyyng an A380 to in continental USA not included on this list?...I can't.

BTW Isn't this list missing IAH?
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:21 am

QF will get the 748 exactly 4 months after it orders the Comac C919..... or aka as NEVER!!!
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:24 am

Quoting mcpcshowcaseHD (Thread starter):
but do you think Qantas will also order the Boeing 747-8I at some point in the future?

Not a chance. I think it's even unlikely that they would order a 777-9X at this point.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 30):
QF doesn't have that kind of money anyway.

American placed a record setting order after years of bleeding money and a few months before declaring bankruptcy.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 34):
There is no way QF International can operate without the 787 in 2021.

Sure they can. Take the first class seats out and paint "Jetstar" on the side.
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:26 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 34):
Um that's actually completely incorrect regarding the 787. There is no way QF International can operate without the 787 in 2021. You missed the "Additional B787 - allocation TBD based on return measures."

I agree that QF will serve int'l routes with the 787 in the future. I do believe that it is likely that these will not be Australian based planes or crew however and may not carry the traditional QF livery. It is more likely that QF will establish some sort of Asian operation (unlikely to be wholly owned due to rights issues) that will service routes between Asia and Australia. I would guess that this new airline (let's call it RedQ) will operate a mixture of 787s and A320NEOs. This airline would be able to take up routes from secondary (other than SYD and MEL) cities and hub into SIN or KUL.
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:41 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 44):
Sure they can. Take the first class seats out and paint "Jetstar" on the side.

A couple of points;

- the 787 won't have first class. :P
- the 787 will be needed by QF for services to PVG, HKG, SIN and NRT which are squarely aimed at the business market. Not to mention FRA and DFW. QF needs to deliver a consistent service if it wants premium pax and that service definitely doesn't involve JQ flying their connections into places like SIN in place of QF mainline.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 45):
It is more likely that QF will establish some sort of Asian operation (unlikely to be wholly owned due to rights issues) that will service routes between Asia and Australia.

Personally I don't think QF will establish any RedQ in Asia and the idea will fall flat due to regulatory issues. But even if it does I believe that QF will still need 787's in QF mainline to serve places like DFW, BNE-LAX, SYD-SCL etc.
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:44 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 26):
Source: http://www.aviationpros.com/news/103...orts-that-can-accommodate-the-a380
The info is a few years old, but only a hadful of airports got approvals after that. The 747-8i is approved for ALL 747-400 certified airports. It was one of the design requirements.

Yeah, that't not right at all.

The list doesn't mention most of the ones that get planes now.

Also, wherever someone wants to fly an A380, they'll get to do it.

I've said this before: the 747-8i is not a competitive airplane. The -8F, lovely bird.

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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 47):
The list doesn't mention most of the ones that get planes now.

Which would those be? which airport not listed below gets regular scheduled A380 service now in the US?

Anchorage International Airport
Denver International Airport
Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport
John F. Kennedy International Airport
Los Angeles International Airport
Orlando International Airport
Miami International Airport
San Francisco International Airport
 
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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:51 am

Quoting mcpcshowcaseHD (Thread starter):

Simple answer no...

QF fleet will consist of the A380, A330, B787 & B73H... No room for the B747-8I...

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RE: Will Qantas Airways Order The Boeing 747-8I

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:52 am

Dulles? Houston has been loaded.

ORD is also ready. ATL has announced they're basically ready. Detroit is ready.

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