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LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:28 am

Hello,

According to goldenflyer.fr Lufthansa and Gerwanwings will coordinate their flights. Stuttgart will be the first airport to see this changes. All european flights ex-STR will be operated by Germanwings including the LHR route from February.

For the summer season from Stuttgart :

By LH and 4U :

- Berlin

By LH

- DUS
- FRA
- HAM
- MUC

By 4U

- BRE
- DRS
- HAJ
- LEJ
- RLG

- LHR
- BRU
- BIO
-...

In french : http://www.goldenflyer.com/actualite...ont-mieux-coordonner-actu1178.html
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:36 am

Very unusual to have a low cost arm serve LHR.
And I still don´t get the point of such a short flight like STR-FRA
By train is 1 hour. By plane it can´t be much shorter!
LH sells seats on Deutsche Bahn trains ex FRA, for example to Köln,
I don´t see why can´t they do the same to STR, thus preserving the hub-feeding purpose
of such route.

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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:49 am

Quoting steman (Reply 1):
By train is 1 hour. By plane it can´t be much shorter!
LH sells seats on Deutsche Bahn trains ex FRA, for example to Köln,
I don´t see why can´t they do the same to STR, thus preserving the hub-feeding purpose

They do the same from STR, time is 111 to 113 minutes but many passengers do not originate in the city center, for many the airport is much closer than the central station and therefore the flights sare needed. Once STR21 is completed and the airpoirt has its own ICE station the flights will become obsolete,

like CGN-FRA.
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:48 pm

Will you get LH service on those 4U flights?

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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:55 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
All european flights ex-STR will be operated by Germanwings including the LHR route from February.

For the summer season from Stuttgart :

Or to put it short - all hub & focus city flying done by LH, all p2p flying done by 4U. Makes sense, and was expected. 4U has also entered Miles&More recently. It's similar to what IB is already doing with Vueling.
 
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:29 pm

I just read up on this, trying to figure out how things like check bags, seat reservation, meals etc. will work out and couldn't find an answer to it. I did however read that STR is just the beginning.

Lufthansa will focus on the biggest airports (HAM, BER, DUS, FRA, MUC), 4U will be the sole operator at medium sized airports (HAJ, CGN, STR, possibly more) and EW will be the only carrier at the remaining, smaller stations. Couldn't find what LH Cityline, Augsburg Airways and Air Dolomiti are going to look like after this remodelling process, but if Contact Air at STR is any indication, then subcontracts (for Augsburg) will not be renewed.
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:34 pm

Quoting steman (Reply 1):
Very unusual to have a low cost arm serve LHR.

Heathrow has had Virgin Express and Clickair and currently has Vueling, so not that unusual.
 
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:05 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):

My thoughts exactly. For a O&D market STR-FRA is much better served with the ICE, but that's not always the case.

I hope 4U can pick up the network remains (and crews) that C3 is going to leave behind at STR. There was a thread here not too long ago about Contact Air leaving LH Regional (confirmed for Oct. 2012), which would certainly mean bancruptcy and unemploying 90 people.

For what it's worth, I'm very fond of 4U picking up LH's thin domestic and european routes. I for sure hope it's going to come with decreased fares, cost structure at 4U is by far not as complex as with LH.
Does that come with an expansion plan for 4U and possibl
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:14 pm

I just saw that I made a mistake with the ICE transit time, STR city central station to FRA airport station are of course 71 resp 73 minutes. When the airport ICE station is ready add some 10 to 15 minutes to that, flying won't be competetive.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 7):
For what it's worth, I'm very fond of 4U picking up LH's thin domestic and european routes

If they get just the ptp routes and offer something similar to the LH service? Remains to be seen.
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:18 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
If they get just the ptp routes and offer something similar to the LH service? Remains to be seen.

Unlikely, AFAIK they still do BOB and crews have to clean up the a/c after each leg themselves which probably means a more stressed out F/A any day.
But I am willing to accept that for short hops if the price is right, and if we are to trust LH management decision, the majority of pax will too.

It's an interesting move on LH's behalf, and we just have to sit back and see how it's going to work out. What's the old saying? If Lufthansa can't do it, noone can  
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:36 pm

This is interesting. I have some questions though... what about the routes that LH served with smaller aircraft that 4U's A319s? (Embraer) Will they be upgraded yet? Also, what about the connecting premium passengers?

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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 10):
This is interesting. I have some questions though... what about the routes that LH served with smaller aircraft that 4U's A319s? (Embraer) Will they be upgraded yet? Also, what about the connecting premium passengers?

I think you might have answered that question by yourself already.
Intercontinental connecting pax will want to fly LH, even on thinner routes. So I can totally see the Embraers deployed on multiple FRA-MUC, FRA-DUS or FRA-BER connections, or for keeping it simple, anything premium ex FRA at times of the day that don't require A32x/733

Besides, looking at the markets that are mentioned by the OP, 4U won't be handling a lot of premium traffic anyways, if we take LHR as an exception.

Does anyone have statistics on how premium-heavy STR is?
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:45 pm

4U are actually two-class configured aircraft. Also, LH has announced they will withdraw from HAJ, CGN and STR entirely.
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:01 pm

Quoting something (Reply 12):
4U are actually two-class configured aircraft.

Could you elaborate on that, please? Are they two-class in the sense of most European short-haul, whereby some seats are convertible? When I flew Germanwings the A319 was configured with a single class in a single cabin. Nothing on their website indicates multiple classes.
 
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:28 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 13):
Could you elaborate on that, please? Are they two-class in the sense of most European short-haul, whereby some seats are convertible? When I flew Germanwings the A319 was configured with a single class in a single cabin. Nothing on their website indicates multiple classes.

I don't know if you understand German or how good a job Google Translate will do, but that's where I got it from

http://www.airliners.de/management/s...hrt-zwei-sitz-kategorien-ein/22105

This is an article on the new developments at STR

http://www.airliners.de/management/s...det-germanwings-staerker-ein/25939
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RE: LH And Germanwings To Coordinate Flights

Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:58 am

Quoting something (Reply 14):

Good to know! Thanks!

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