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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:50 pm

The much discussed order has been confirmed today with FedEx placing an order for 27 B767-300F

FedEx Corp. (FDX) posted a quarterly profit that beat analysts’ estimates and ordered 27 Boeing Co. 767 jet freighters to retire some of the older planes at the world’s largest cargo airline.
Profit for the fiscal second quarter ended Nov. 30 rose to $497 million, or $1.57 a share, from $283 million, or 89 cents, a year earlier, the Memphis, Tennessee-based company said in a statement. Delivery of 11 larger Boeing 777 aircraft already on order will help balance capacity with lower demand from FedEx Express customers using up inventory, the company said today.
The 767s will be about 30 percent more fuel-efficient than the MD10 jets they’re replacing, some of which are more than 40 years old, FedEx said. Three of the jets will be delivered in 2014 and six a year from 2015 through 2018. The jets have a catalog price of $175.4 million, though carriers typically negotiate discounts.


Source Bloomberg

All reports indicate they are the for the 300F to replace MD-10s

[Edited 2011-12-15 05:51:09]

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Three arriving in fiscal 2014 and six per year in fiscal 2015-2018
FedEx Express is also delaying the delivery of 11 777F two of which will be deferred from fiscal 2013, five from fiscal 2014 and one per year in fiscal 2015-2018
2 more 777F options exercised for delivery at end of delivery schedule

Source FedEx


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Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:26 pm

It's not the 764 order that was previously speculated but a good order none the less, I expect further add on orders for the 763F down the road.

Good sales year for Boeing, with a few weeks left.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:36 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
All reports indicate they are the for the 300F to replace MD-10s

It is officially the 300F per the Fedex website.

I am not sure I agree with the statement made that the 767-300F will provide similar capacity to the MD10. While a great airplane, volume-wise it's not really that close.
 
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"FedEx Express is also delaying the delivery of 11 777F aircraft, two of which will be deferred from fiscal 2013, five from fiscal 2014 and one per year in fiscal 2015-2018, to better balance air network capacity to demand. As a result of these deferrals, FedEx Express will place into service four 777s in fiscal 2013 and two in fiscal 2014. The company is also exercising two 777 options for aircraft to be delivered at the end of the delivery schedule"
http://investors.fedex.com/phoenix.z...3289&p=irol-newsarticle&ID=1639736

Delaying and ordering more 777F at the same time.
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
It's not the 764 order that was previously speculated but a good order none the less

The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights, because it seems to me to be the better replacement aircraft for the md10. Obviously, it's bigger - plus, the cockpit on the 764 is similar to the 777, which I'm guessing would have helped with pilot training. Either way, I'm sure Boeing game them a killer deal in order to keep the 767 line busy until those tankers start rolling out. Nice to see that the 767 line still has a little life left in it.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:52 pm

Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights

More likely, it was just less cost-effective to have Boeing engineer and build the 764F than it was to buy off-the-shelf 763Fs and adjust frequencies.
 
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FedEx has a history of 'top off' orders, so this is just a 'toe in the water.'   

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
The 767s will be about 30 percent more fuel-efficient than the MD10 jets they’re replacing

Not to mention much less expensive to maintain. The economies of scale of the DC10/MD10 are in decline...
The tanker will keep the 767F economics excellent for 30 (or more) years.

Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights, because it seems to me to be the better replacement aircraft for the md10.

Not my take. The 764 would be too expensive for Boeing to develop vs. the A332 is my take.

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Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:19 pm

Congrats Boeing and Fed Ex! While it would have been neat to see a new freighter in the 764F, I'm not about to complain about this order. Always good to see the 767 chugging along...

Also does the number feel like deja vu to anyone else?
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Interesting coincidence. Speaking of UPS as of 12/1 they were due only the last 15 767's from that original order of 27. So one might think they are due for a top up order here in the next few years, with them and Fed Ex, and I'd think even a few more from LAN etc (don't they have one pending?) the 767 is experiencing somewhat of a late program revival. Nothing huge ( I wouldn't expect 100+ orders in a year or anything) but certainly a very nice addition to the variety of Boeing's programs. Here's the the 767 wishing it a long life, and more orders for many years!
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Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
- plus, the cockpit on the 764 is similar to the 777, which I'm guessing would have helped with pilot training.

The cockpit on the 763 is similar to the 752s they are flying around  
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Does anyone have any pictures ( the ones typically found in the press releases ), or know if these 767s will have winglets? Congrats to both Boeing and FX!
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Quoting cmf (Reply 3):
The company is also exercising two 777 options

Getting closer and closer towards the 200 order mark for 2011...  
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:14 pm

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 7):
Here's the the 767 wishing it a long life, and more orders for many years!

It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982. It will still be flying in cargo and tanker service at least through 2050. An 80-year life span is not out of the question for it.

Pretty damn good for an aircraft that always had the wrong fuselage width.  
 
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Quoting DualQual (Reply 8):
The cockpit on the 763 is similar to the 752s they are flying around

I dont expect the cockpits to be the standard 767 layout. The 757 have an IS&S cockpit upgrade during conversion to PtoF.
 
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
FedEx has a history of 'top off' orders, so this is just a 'toe in the water.'   

Agreed. In addition to the almost 80 MD-10s that need to be replaced, there is also the large A300 and A310 fleet that will eventually need replacement (Ithe A300 fleet looks to be around 16 years old and the A310 around 25 per Airfleets). FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.   
 
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982.

Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.
 
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I find it somewhat amazing that even with Boeing now delivering production 787s, the 767 is still humming right along. The 767 has been in production for nearly 30 years now and looks to have at least another 7-8 years left in her, if not another decade with the USAF order.
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Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 14):

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982.

Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.

What's amazing is that the 767 wasn't re-engined or re-winged. It's basically the same airplane from the beginning except stretched.
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This is a logical order for fedex. It allows 757 pilots to be grouped together with 767 pilots, and eventually there might just be 2-3 pilot groups... 756, 777, and MD11.
 
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Kinda disappointed that we won't see a 764F but I suppose the numbers just didn't add up, and it's a numbers game. Well done to Boeing and FedEx anyway!
 
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history.

As already noted:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 14):
Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.

The 737 has been the longest running jet in production. Since the 737MAX is going forward, I fully expect the 737MAX line to be putting out examples after the 767 line shuts down. With a 14 year head start in service (1968 vs. 1982) and an expected longer production life due to the new engines, I expect the 737 will easily keep the record.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
Pretty damn good for an aircraft that always had the wrong fuselage width.

You have a point there.  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.

I suspect Airbus will win some fraction of those orders. How many? Let's talk over a meal and drinks.   

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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
The 737 has been the longest running jet in production. Since the 737MAX is going forward, I fully expect the 737MAX line to be putting out examples after the 767 line shuts down. With a 14 year head start in service (1968 vs. 1982) and an expected longer production life due to the new engines, I expect the 737 will easily keep the record.

I'm not quite ready to count the 737NG in with the 737 Classic. Just too many changes (engines and wings in particular).
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.

I'd imagine John Leahy will have something to say about that.  

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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
I suspect Airbus will win some fraction of those orders. How many? Let's talk over a meal and drinks
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 21):
***COUGH***A332F***COUGH***

One could keep dreaming, but I just don't see it. Looks like FX is going to be an all Boeing carrier for a while. The A300 and A310's can be replaced by more 767's and the MD11's with more 777. This order demonstrates that they are willing to juggle frequencies and schedules to make them fit...
 
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I am not sure I agree with the statement made that the 767-300F will provide similar capacity to the MD10. While a great airplane, volume-wise it's not really that close.

Does anybody have the numbers, volume of the MD 10 and the B 767-300F?

What might have been the reason why FX stopped negotations with Airbus some weeks ago? Delivery slots might not necessarily have been the issue since the first 767s will be delivered in 2014. I would guess Airbus simply couldn't compete with Boeing's offer for the 767s. Any ideas?

Ahh, I forgot: congratulations to FX and Boeing - the FXs will look great!
 
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 23):
What might have been the reason why FX stopped negotations with Airbus some weeks ago?

Perhaps Qatar's Al-Baker also sits on Fedex's board.
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 21):

I'm sure that Airbus will not be able to match the prices FX is getting with eh 763F with a A332F. For one, the 767 line is empty and its a lean line, those things are probably at their lowest production costs of all time, meaning Boeing has a really really high margin product if sold at list price. These planes are definitely not at list price, but I'm sure Boeing is still making a nice dollar on their sale and keeping the union people happy by finding customers and ways to keep the line open and employing people. Its a good business practice, to see something at near-cost and see tons of returns, especially from parts and maintenance sales, even if the airplane itself is sold at a slight loss.

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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 23):
What might have been the reason why FX stopped negotations with Airbus some weeks ago? Delivery slots might not necessarily have been the issue since the first 767s will be delivered in 2014. I would guess Airbus simply couldn't compete with Boeing's offer for the 767s. Any ideas?



The A332F's wings are much much longer than the 763F's. I forget the exact number, but it's a significant percent larger. To accommodate the A332F, they would have to change a lot of ramp layouts to allow the birds to be parked without one wing meeting another. Along with what I'm sure was a killer deal from Boeing, something tells me wing sizes had a significant roll in this decision.
 
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 10):
Getting closer and closer towards the 200 order mark for 2011..

With the Boeing Order announcement today, 777 sales for the year have hit the 200 mark.
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Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 22):
One could keep dreaming, but I just don't see it.

I'm sure you don't. Nonetheless, I seriously doubt Airbus will just let FX walk without a fight. They will want a piece of the action at FX just as they would at any other carrier, particularly when they are a large customer with big needs in the next decade.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 25):
I'm sure that Airbus will not be able to match the prices FX is getting with eh 763F with a A332F.

I don't disagree with what you're saying at all. I think the A330 is having too much demand for discounting as serious as Boeing could do with the already less expensive 763F. Having said that, the 777F is certainly more plane - and more expensive - than FX needs on many missions, so there will be a nice opportunity between the 763F and the 777F for Airbus to sell a few score. IMHO.  

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Well I can not say, that I am not disappointed that they choose 763F over 764ERF, but it is not the first time Fed Ex has disappointed me. Fed Ex used to be worth spotting, and at least, with 764ERFs, they would have had something different. Soon FX is going to be like the US passenger airlines, full of the same old boring Boeing twins.






PS: At Least FX will still operates A300s for sometime, but the way FX been going lately, they likely to replace them with something more boring. Lol.               
 
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Quoting DualQual (Reply 8):
The cockpit on the 763 is similar to the 752s they are flying around

Good point. I was asleep at the wheel on that one!
 
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I'm very happy to see the 767 line extended. She's a beautiful airplane and will look really nice in FedEx colors. I think this effectively will see the eventual end of the A300/310 in FedEx's long term fleet.

This may spur Qartar to buy in, if Airbus continues to drag its feet on the 330 conversions they want, or is there news on that?
 
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Quoting 747400sp (Reply 29):
full of the same old boring Boeing twins.

Why exactly are Boeing twins more boring than Airbus twins for a cargo plane spotter?
 
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Quoting mhkansan (Reply 25):
767 line is empty and its a lean line, those things are probably at their lowest production costs of all time

With production at snails pace I very much doubt these are the lowest cost units produced.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 25):
and keeping the union people happy by finding customers and ways to keep the line open and employing people

I'm sure the main reason is to improve return.
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Finally a press release and image from Boeing... Looks great.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2077




SEATTLE, Dec. 15, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE:BA) announced today that FedEx Express has ordered 27 767-300 Freighters and has exercised existing options for two additional 777 Freighters.

"FedEx Express is one of the industry's premier air-freight carriers. The way they have operated the 777 has demonstrated to the world its capabilities as a freighter. We are excited they have chosen to further expand their 777 fleet," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh. "We're also looking forward to seeing the 767 join FedEx's lineup of airplanes. The 767 is a proven freighter and this order constitutes a strong vote of confidence for its capabilities. It is an airplane that we will be building for decades."

The new 777 Freighters will support FedEx's growth in the international cargo market. The 767 Freighter will be a new model for the Memphis, Tenn.-based freight carrier's fleet of more than 690 airplanes. The addition of the 767 Freighters will enable FedEx to replace its less efficient, medium widebody cargo airplanes with freighters that provide fuel, maintenance and other cost savings.

"The 767-300 Freighter will be a great complement to our freighter fleet," said David J. Bronczek, president and chief executive officer of FedEx Express. "The 767 freighter, with its solid efficiency among medium widebody cargo airplanes, is an ideal solution to support our strategy of providing fast and reliable delivery to every U.S. address and to more than 220 countries and territories."

The 767 Freighter is based on the popular 767-300ER (extended range) passenger airplane. Able to carry approximately 58 tons (52.7 tonnes) of revenue cargo with intercontinental range, the 767-300 Freighter is ideal for developing new long-haul, regional or feeder markets.

The 777 Freighter is the world's longest range twin-engine freighter that can fly 4,900 nautical miles (9,070 kilometers) with a full payload. FedEx is the largest operator of 777 freighters with 17 aircraft in operation and with orders and options for an additional 41 aircraft.

This order builds on a record year for the 777 program bringing the 2011 net order total to 200 airplanes.
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Has it been confirmed if any of these 763Fs will be fitted with winglets? Obviously the MD10s they will be replacing are mainly deployed on shorter sectors, where the 763Fs winglets wouldn't realise their true efficiency potential, however it will be interesting to see if any are deployed on longer routes where the winglets would be a welcome addition.
 
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Quoting phishphan70 (Reply 26):
The A332F's wings are much much longer than the 763F's. I forget the exact number, but it's a significant percent larger.

As per data on this site, wingspan of 767 is 47 m, and it is 60 for the a330. (or 156 ft vs 197)
For sure, if you line up 200 aircraft, that's a huge difference!! (200 *13 = 2600 m= 2.6km!!!!!)
Of course, you will never see all the planes side by side. But I'm not sure they could fit in MEM.

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Quoting 747400sp (Reply 29):
Well I can not say, that I am not disappointed that they choose 763F over 764ERF, but it is not the first time Fed Ex has disappointed me. Fed Ex used to be worth spotting, and at least, with 764ERFs, they would have had something different.

Spotting a 763F is "boring", but a 764F would be "exciting" how exactly?  
Quoting cmf (Reply 33):
With production at snails pace I very much doubt these are the lowest cost units produced.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who spotted that inconsistency.

Given FX needed to delay deliveries of their 777Fs, signing on for more Boeing's in exchange for delaying deliveries without incurring penalties also helped Boeing get the order, not to mention the A330 is still selling extremely well and Airbus doesn't have the pressure to discount that airframe as much as Boeing has to with the 767.
 
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Quoting dlnz (Reply 35):
Has it been confirmed if any of these 763Fs will be fitted with winglets? Obviously the MD10s they will be replacing are mainly deployed on shorter sectors, where the 763Fs winglets wouldn't realise their true efficiency potential, however it will be interesting to see if any are deployed on longer routes where the winglets would be a welcome addition.

Supposedly this is for the domestic network, with routes generally topping out at about four hours, with the majority of routes under two hours.
 
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 38):
Supposedly this is for the domestic network, with routes generally topping out at about four hours, with the majority of routes under two hours.

This may have been another plus for Boeing. Design life of the A330 is 40,000 cycles, while it is 50,000 cycles for the 767. These aircraft will accumulate cycles very quickly, especially early in their service lives.
 
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Any news/rumors on engine selected?

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):
What's amazing is that the 767 wasn't re-engined or re-winged. It's basically the same airplane from the beginning except stretched.




Well, the older 767s had the PW JT9 and the GE CF6-80As, the more modern PW4000 and CF6-80C2 were introduced later as more powerful and fuel efficient powerplants. (as well as the RR option)


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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982. It will still be flying in cargo and tanker service at least through 2050. An 80-year life span is not out of the question for it.
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 16):

What's amazing is that the 767 wasn't re-engined or re-winged. It's basically the same airplane from the beginning except stretched.

Seriously. This thing is becoming the CheckerCab of the sky.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
With a 14 year head start in service (1968 vs. 1982) and an expected longer production life due to the new engines, I expect the 737 will easily keep the record.

I fully expect that the 737 will span over a century from first to last flights. Only a BWB on its scale would change that
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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:37 pm

What engines are going to be hanging off it?

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
It's not the 764 order that was previously speculated but a good order none the less

Indeed a good order. Boeing won't have to put money into R&D, FedEx will get the planes sooner.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 17):
It allows 757 pilots to be grouped together with 767 pilots, and eventually there might just be 2-3 pilot groups... 756, 777, and MD11.

With MD11 eventually migrating to 777, says I.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 29):
Well I can not say, that I am not disappointed that they choose 763F over 764ERF, but it is not the first time Fed Ex has disappointed me. Fed Ex used to be worth spotting, and at least, with 764ERFs, they would have had something different. Soon FX is going to be like the US passenger airlines, full of the same old boring Boeing twins.

I don't know. While I truly appreciate the three holers, I think the 77F is one of the best looking planes ever. Somehow I find those huge engines hanging down from the wings and the beefy landing gear gives it a sinister look, which is of course hard to do with a mostly white aircraft.


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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:27 pm

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 34):
Finally a press release and image from Boeing... Looks great.

767s flying in fingertip formation..I love it.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):
The 767 has been in production for nearly 30 years now and looks to have at least another 7-8 years left in her, if not another decade with the USAF order.

Don't forget that the USAF has over 400 KC-135s that need to be replaced, and their original order for the KC-46A was only 120. Expect top on orders from the USAF, FedEx and possibly UPS and other cargo companies. The 767 line could be open for well over another decade.
 
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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:28 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 32):
Why exactly are Boeing twins more boring than Airbus twins for a cargo plane spotter?



Look, I am venting, because Fed Ex could have did something new, by replacing their MD10 fleet with 764ERFs, but they took the 763Fs route. This is almost as bad, as when they cancel their A380F order, and order 777Fs in the A380Fs place. I do believe a 767 is boring compared to an A330, because an A330 is larger and faster than a 767.


PS: I understand that FX is in the business of making money, and not to serve spotters, but the direction FX is going lately, really suck for spotter like me.
 
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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 44):
because Fed Ex could have did something new, by replacing their MD10 fleet with 764ERFs, but they took the 763Fs route.

They didn't have any choice.

"FDX also evaluated the potential 767-400F, but a FDX official told us at ISTAT Barcelona Boeing did not want to proceed with this new variant and risk impacting the USAF KC-46A tanker development."

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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:33 pm

Not bad Revelation!
Nice pics.

However the MD-11 is pretty photo-genic too!
I can not post pics now....but both planes are "lookers".

But why is it that "F"-planes seem boring compared to the pax-versions?
Is it because most of us won't be able to hitch a ride on board?

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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 pm

Quoting phishphan70 (Reply 26):
The A332F's wings are much much longer than the 763F's. I forget the exact number, but it's a significant percent larger.

A330 wingspan is almost 42 ft. greater than the 763.

A330 - 197 ft. 10 in.
B762/763 - 156 ft. 1 in.
 
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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting raggi (Reply 40):

Any news/rumors on engine selected?

I've heard the PW4060s...

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 44):
but the direction FX is going lately, really suck for spotter like me.

Then dont spot them, problem solved...
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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F

Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:53 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 46):
But why is it that "F"-planes seem boring compared to the pax-versions?
Is it because most of us won't be able to hitch a ride on board?

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