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DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:58 pm

The update of DL's online timetable show some updates to DL's LGA with the slot swap transaction.

I don't have time to pour through it all, but some of the finds, effective 3/25/12

LGA-DFW 6x E70 (S5)
LGA-MIA 4x M88
LGA-BTV 3x (2x OH CR7, 1x ERJ)
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
The update of DL's online timetable show some updates to DL's LGA with the slot swap transaction.

I don't have time to pour through it all, but some of the finds, effective 3/25/12

LGA-DFW 6x E70 (S5)
LGA-MIA 4x M88
LGA-BTV 3x (2x OH CR7, 1x ERJ)

No major surprises from those three. MIA was an obvious no-brainer, as was DFW. I'm surprised they went with that schedule - I guess they are banking on frequency being more important for capturing AA market share than aircraft (they're probably right). BTV seemed like a logical link for LGA, too.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:02 pm

Interesting that a couple of AA bread and butter routes are the first ones. With all the new service at DFW, it seems airlines aren't as scared to take on AA as they once were.

MIA is interesting too. DL has quietly built up a nice little presence at MIA.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:03 pm

LGA-ROC 4x CR7 (OH)
LGA-BUF 6x CR9 (OH)
LGA-SYR 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CR7)
LGA-RIC 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CRJ)
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:13 pm

It appears DL dropped STL-DCA as a result  

STL-LGA went down to 1 Daily unless I cannot find the others.

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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:14 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
LGA-DFW 6x E70 (S5)
LGA-MIA 4x M88
Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
MIA was an obvious no-brainer, as was DFW.
Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Interesting that a couple of AA bread and butter routes are the first ones.

How was DFW a no-brainer? ...or MIA? They are just doing to pressure AA.

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
DL has quietly built up a nice little presence at MIA.

They have just as quietly disassembled it. JAX is gone and TPA/MCO are now only 1 RT.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
LGA-ROC 4x CR7 (OH)
LGA-BUF 6x CR9 (OH)
LGA-SYR 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CR7)
LGA-RIC 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CRJ)

About what I expected for ROC. Larger planes and less frequency. Four additional CR7's a day should fit at DL's existing ROC gates just fine.

I'm surprised, though, that BUF has *that* much bigger seat capacity. The immediate BUF catchment area isn't that much bigger a population than ROC's. BUF's Southern Ontario draw is for low fares....will people really drive from Toronto for a legacy CRJ to LGA, especially when WestJet is about to drive fares to LGA down right from YYZ?

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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:15 pm

LGA-MHT 2x ERJ
LGA-SDF 1x ERJ
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
How was DFW a no-brainer? ...or MIA? They are just doing to pressure AA.

Hence why it's a no-brainer.

Delta will also be picking up US Airways' flights to ILM.
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:23 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Interesting that a couple of AA bread and butter routes are the first ones.

They aren't the "first ones." They are just the "first ones" that were reported in this thread. There have obviously been dozens of new (for Delta) flights and routes loaded today, of which a very small number overlap with AA.

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
With all the new service at DFW, it seems airlines aren't as scared to take on AA as they once were.

I doubt it has anything to do with being or not being scared of AA - even with these new flights, AA will still be by far the dominant player in both the LGA-DFW and LGA-MIA markets, and this is certainly not changing that.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
How was DFW a no-brainer? ...or MIA? They are just doing to pressure AA.

They aren't doing it to "pressure" AA - they're doing it to build up their presence in New York. DFW and MIA are two of the largest markets in the U.S., and both generate tons of demand and local traffic to/from New York. Thus, for Delta - which is focused on building up its presence in New York - these are obvious, logical, "no-brainer" markets that they have to enter.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
How was DFW a no-brainer? ...or MIA? They are just doing to pressure AA.

They aren't doing it to "pressure" AA - they're doing it to build up their presence in New York. DFW and MIA are two of the largest markets in the U.S., and both generate tons of demand and local traffic to/from New York. Thus, for Delta - which is focused on building up its presence in New York - these are obvious, logical, "no-brainer" markets that they have to enter.

Exactly.

The fact that DFW and MIA are in there isn't just to pressure AA. Those are "must-serve" markets if DL wants to gain its share in NYC. Those are the two biggest markets DL did not serve previously. People were speculating long ago when the slot swap was first proposed that DL would serve MIA and DFW. Long before AA was in Ch. 11

This is the same reason that AA launched routes like LGA-MSP & ATL previously.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:35 pm

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LGA-ORF 4x ERJ
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:37 pm

any word on PVD? The route could do better if an airline actually made an effort on the route compared to US and their scheduling 7-8 hr gaps. Acela Express is routinely sold out from Providence-NY.
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:40 pm

LGA-DAY 2x ERJ

No flights loaded yet for:
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW.....amongst those I've tried.

Keep in mind this is the first batch of slots. The second batch will be in June and does not appear to be loaded yet.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:42 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
I'm surprised, though, that BUF has *that* much bigger seat capacity. The immediate BUF catchment area isn't that much bigger a population than ROC's. BUF's Southern Ontario draw is for low fares....will people really drive from Toronto for a legacy CRJ to LGA, especially when WestJet is about to drive fares to LGA down right from YYZ?

The question is - how much are they avoiding in taxes by flying out of Buffalo?
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:42 pm

Does anyone have the new total number of departures per day at LGA and DCA for both US and DL?
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:46 pm

I have to say I was expecting PVD... They've cut the 3x day PVD-DCA, so it remains to be seen whether PVD will get a LGA flight or two.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:46 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Interesting that a couple of AA bread and butter routes are the first ones.

Replace "AA" with "B6" and the statement is still true.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:48 pm

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 16):
I have to say I was expecting PVD... They've cut the 3x day PVD-DCA, so it remains to be seen whether PVD will get a LGA flight or two.

Its still bookable on delta.com for april, but yea hopefully that service will "swap" too...
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:51 pm

To summarize:

LGA-DFW 6x E70 (S5)
LGA-MIA 4x M88
LGA-BTV 3x (2x OH CR7, 1x ERJ)
LGA-ROC 4x CR7 (OH)
LGA-BUF 6x CR9 (OH)
LGA-SYR 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CR7)
LGA-RIC 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CRJ)
LGA-MHT 2x ERJ
LGA-SDF 1x ERJ
LGA-GSO 3x ERJ
LGA-ORF 4x ERJ
LGA-DAY 2x ERJ

ERJ service is Chautauqua, E70 service is Shuttle America, and the CR7/9 is Comair.
Other cities tried that do not have any flights (to answer those who might ask)
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW, CHO, SBN, FWA, FNT, LAN, TVC, MKE, MDW, FAY, MYR, VPS, TLH, JAN, MLB, CLT, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, ABE, YUL, HTS, PHF, BGM, OKC, DEN

Existing service includes:
ATL, CVG, DTW, MSP, MEM, GRR, MSN, IND, CMH, BOS, DCA, CAE, CHS, SAV, BGR, MCO, FLL, RSW, PBI, NAS, MSY (I may have missed a few here)

[Edited 2011-12-15 10:54:43]
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):

Existing service includes:
ATL, CVG, DTW, MSP, MEM, GRR, MSN, IND, CMH, BOS, DCA, CAE, CHS, SAV, BGR, MCO, FLL, RSW, PBI, NAS, MSY (I may have missed a few here)

As I mentioned above, STL is still showing 1 daily on Delta.com unless you can see it has changed? We used to be 4 daily.

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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:56 pm

Wonder how many JFK flights they will reduce....MIA, BUF, ROC, SYR, RIC, ORF, and BTV are all currently served from JFK multiple times daily as well....My guess is that some will be reduced while others may be moved entirely to LGA....
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:58 pm

Is the 2nd phase equal to the first or are they of different size?
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:02 pm

It looks like ROA is on for 1x daily starting July 11.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW.....amongst those I've tried.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW, CHO, SBN, FWA, FNT, LAN, TVC, MKE, MDW, FAY, MYR, VPS, TLH, JAN, MLB, CLT, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, ABE, YUL, HTS, PHF, BGM, OKC, DEN

Fingers crossed. I'd say look out for the 2nd round on some of the smaller spokes.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:13 pm

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 23):
It looks like ROA is on for 1x daily starting July 11.

Source? Not seeing it on the booking engine or in the schedules.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:13 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 20):
As I mentioned above, STL is still showing 1 daily on Delta.com unless you can see it has changed? We used to be 4 daily.

Alex

STL-LGA remains 4x however switches from all E70 to allCR7

Quoting panamair (Reply 21):
Wonder how many JFK flights they will reduce....MIA, BUF, ROC, SYR, RIC, ORF, and BTV are all currently served from JFK multiple times daily as well....My guess is that some will be reduced while others may be moved entirely to LGA....

JFK-MIA goes from 5x to 4x
JFK-BUF goes from 4x to 3x
JFK-SYR goes from 3x to 1x
JFK-ROC remains 3x
JFK-RIC goes from 5x to 3x
JFK-ORF goes from 4x to 3x
BTV remains 3x
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Those are the two biggest markets DL did not serve previously. People were speculating long ago when the slot swap was first proposed that DL would serve MIA and DFW. Long before AA was in Ch. 11

Indeed, DL has served LGA-DFW with S5 metal previously. It was announced and started at the same time (or virtually the same time) as ORD-LGA, in 2005 or so. IIRC, like ORD, it used the Marine Air Terminal.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW, CHO, SBN, FWA, FNT, LAN, TVC, MKE, MDW, FAY, MYR, VPS, TLH, JAN, MLB, CLT, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, ABE, YUL, HTS, PHF, BGM, OKC, DEN

My guesses:

BDL 3x
PVD 4x
ROA 2x
AVL 2x
ILM 1x
PIT 3x
CLE 2x
MKE 2x
MYR 1x (or maybe weekends seasonally)
CLT 4x
PHL either 0x or 4x
BWI 4x
MDT 3x
YUL 3x
DEN 2x

Thats 40, leaving 5 slots left...

Maybes: CAK, CRW, MDT, BGM (wishful thinking), ITH, ELM (low freqnecies for these close-in NY/PA markets could work thanks to no existing options or competition)

No service for: HTS PHF OKC VPS, TLH, MLB JAN IAD ABE SBN, FWA, FNT, LAN, TVC, CHO, FAY, MDW
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:29 pm

Any chance of OMA getting a second flight OMA-LGA? Seems like 2 flights would be much more appealing to business travelers than a single flight as it is now.

Or what about DSM????
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:37 pm

With DL decreasing JFK a little bit to prevent overlap with LGA, will DL fill these JFK slots with something else? Will they relinquish these slots? I do not know too much about JFK slots so please bear with me...
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:39 pm

Yea! Turboprops with US to RJs on Delta at LGA! Just what we need to maximize slot use!

At least 16 of those slots have gone to carriers that will fly every single one of them with mainline sized equipment thus allowing more passengers to land at LGA, creating more economic activity for Queens and NYC. I only wish more slots were divested.

Perhaps we would have seen WN or B6 flying LGA - Upstate with high frequency service on mainline sized aircraft.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:39 pm

DL already added a daily JFK-MKE for the summer, so does this make it less likely that we'd see LGA-MKE? NW used to run the route a few years ago, started out as A319 but then switched to CRJ with more frequency.
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 25):

Source? Not seeing it on the booking engine or in the schedules.
http://www.roanokeairport.com/LinkCl...et=MBh_oJ91H84%3D&tabid=57&mid=484

Had to a search in the previous LGA Slot Swap down below.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):

STL-LGA remains 4x however switches from all E70 to allCR7

Oh Ok, I am surprised Delta is keeping it but it is a strong market on its own.

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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):
JFK-MIA goes from 5x to 4x
JFK-BUF goes from 4x to 3x
JFK-SYR goes from 3x to 1x
JFK-ROC remains 3x
JFK-RIC goes from 5x to 3x
JFK-ORF goes from 4x to 3x
BTV remains 3x

Thanks! Also, did you check LGA-HOU or LGA-IAH - didn't seem to see it on your list above.....

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
Indeed, DL has served LGA-DFW with S5 metal previously. It was announced and started at the same time (or virtually the same time) as ORD-LGA, in 2005 or so.

Can't remember about ORD or MDW, but LGA-DFW was introduced the same time as LGA-MIA (2x daily).

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 30):
With DL decreasing JFK a little bit to prevent overlap with LGA, will DL fill these JFK slots with something else? Will they relinquish these slots?

JFK is only slot-controlled during peak times. The cuts at JFK to accomodate LGA will likely be those during off-peak (hence not slot-controlled) times since they would still need the JFK feeder flights for international (which would be at peak times)....
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:57 pm

"JFK is only slot-controlled during peak times. The cuts at JFK to accomodate LGA will likely be those during off-peak (hence not slot-controlled) times since they would still need the JFK feeder flights for international (which would be at peak times)...."

JFK is slot controlled at 82 operations per hour every hour.

If Delta cuts a flight and B6 grabs the slot, bye bye slot for DL.

Been that way for several years now.

The peak time slots you speak of went away totally in the mid 2000s and when the airport got saturated they implemented the full time slots.

B6 would love more slots.

VX would love more slots.

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Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:01 pm

I'm actually kind of shocked DL can't run mainline to DFW from LGA like they are to MIA. They could definitely fill M88, 738, and 757 on a route like that.
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:04 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
Other cities tried that do not have any flights (to answer those who might ask)
BDL, PVD, ROA, AVL, ILM, PIT, CLE, CAK, CRW, CHO, SBN, FWA, FNT, LAN, TVC, MKE, MDW, FAY, MYR, VPS, TLH, JAN, MLB, CLT, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, ABE, YUL, HTS, PHF, BGM, OKC, DEN

TVC has always been summer seasonal service in years past. I don't see that changing.
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:12 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 35):
If Delta cuts a flight and B6 grabs the slot, bye bye slot for DL.

Been that way for several years now.

The peak time slots you speak of went away totally in the mid 2000s and when the airport got saturated they implemented the full time slots.

B6 would love more slots.

VX would love more slots.

I'm sure they would, and I'm also sure DL would want to prevent B6/VX from getting these slots and to preserve them for future growth when the economy picks up. So no one knows what DL is gonna do? I mean I suppose DL could just let go of the slots but I doubt they would, even if they had to stick them on a money losing route...
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:17 pm

I'm surprised that SBN isn't one of the routes.

That market has been rumored as a DL LGA addition.

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Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:19 pm

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 28):
DEN 2x

Hmmmm?

With UA already at some 5 or so n/s dailies DEN-LGA, and F9 with 2-3 dailies (depending on season) and WN/FL announcing 2 more dailies in June, that's already about 10 or so daily n/s flights between DEN-LGA. Would DL want to crowd in here? They have show willingness with DEN-LAX, with 4 airlines already on this route, so maybe?

To round out the NYC region, UA also has about 6 dailies DEN-EWR, and WN has 3 here. Then DL has another daily DEN-JFK, along with B6.

That totals to just about 20 flights between DEN and the NYC area at present. And Denver-New York City is a strong market, but can DL find any more room here, pretty much relying on O&D? This might be one I personally can see DL avoiding.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:21 pm

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Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 40):
That totals to just about 20 flights between DEN and the NYC area at present. And Denver-New York City is a strong market, but can DL find any more room here, pretty much relying on O&D? This might be one I personally can see DL avoiding.

Dickie birds tell me that it is happening - Delta 2 x daily LGA-DEN.

Nothing is official until it is is announced, of course, but I won't fall over in shock when it is.

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Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:25 pm

Well that's 45 slots for the first 12 routes. That leaves 55 for the remaining 17, since they announced they are adding 29 neew destinations. And they will use 16 more to beef up the current routes already operated out of LGA. Do we know what current destinations will be getting a frequency increase?
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
Dickie birds tell me that it is happening - Delta 2 x daily LGA-DEN.

Hmmmm?

Your dickie birds are usually in the know, so I guess that DL does want to crowd into this market........

(and don't get me started laughing again..... )
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:31 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 44):
(and don't get me started laughing again.....&nbsp Wink

I don't know if this will make you laugh, but I'm also hearing that Delta will start MKE-LGA as well.  

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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:33 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
LGA-DFW 6x E70 (S5)
LGA-MIA 4x M88
LGA-BTV 3x (2x OH CR7, 1x ERJ)
LGA-ROC 4x CR7 (OH)
LGA-BUF 6x CR9 (OH)
LGA-SYR 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CR7)
LGA-RIC 5x (4x ERJ, 1x CRJ)
LGA-MHT 2x ERJ
LGA-SDF 1x ERJ
LGA-GSO 3x ERJ
LGA-ORF 4x ERJ
LGA-DAY 2x ERJ

...and where will all these airplanes come from?
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 45):
I don't know if this will make you laugh, but I'm also hearing that Delta will start MKE-LGA as well.
Quoting enilria (Reply 46):
and where will all these airplanes come from?

Maybe DL will work out a deal with BB and RAH. This way, DL can use RAH birds to compete with RAH branded on routes from LGA like DEN and MKE.

) ..... that would be absurd, wouldn't it, although quite possible in the crazy airline world.....?   (
 
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 46):
...and where will all these airplanes come from?

I assume JFK/MIA/DCA/MEM/CVG? Where else would they come from?

[Edited 2011-12-15 12:54:47]
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RE: DL LGA Slot Swap Flights Loaded In Schedule

Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:56 pm

So nothing on any RDU upgauges or additions?
Aiming High and going far..

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