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Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:38 am

In Australian Aviation Thread #56 (by TN486 Nov 14 2011 in Civil Aviation) we discussed/announced the following:
- 787 tour SYD/MEL.
- Air Australia new website in op, and VC applies for 4 x weekly service to Vietnam.
- Tiger reports $20M loss.
- Air North announce new service TVL - DRW.
- QR announce PER as a new future destination.
- IASC determination re SAA/QF codeshare arrangements.
- QF Link announce BNE - GLT with 717's first quarter 2012.
- QF new configs for A380's.
- More about QF industrial dispute/grounding etc etc.
- MAS rumour re A380 service to MEL from Apr 2012.
- Polynesian Blue renamed Virgin Samoa.
- MI (Silk Air) to commence 4 x weekly SIN - DRW Mar 2002.
- NJS fined for underpaying pilots.

The festive season is about to descend on us all, let us all enjoy it safely, and happily, and may it be everything you wish it to be.
May discussions begin in our new thread, cheers.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:41 pm

Attached is a You tube link to ANZ 777 leaving for Auckland. I cannot recall an ANZ 777 in Perth before. Filmed from the new viewing area Saturday 17th of December.

ZK-OKC departing Perth NZ176 to Auckland

Thanks to Geoffrey Thomas and team for making the viewing area happen.

Apparently the 6th January is also scheduled 777 for ANZ175/6
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:48 am

Being that it is airliners.net so a good place to add any rumours.

How long before Qantas return to the Gold Coast.

A friend was visiting the Gold Coast airport and there were a bunch of men/women in suits (around 6 people) holding clipboards and displaying their Qantas branded ASIC, as well as a Gold Coast Airport manager of some sorts.

Link to story with appropriate flame proof suit.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 2):
appropriate flame proof suit.

  We will see... I'm not particularly optimistic, but it would be great if they did jump back into OOL (and some other JQ-only routes/destinations). I can still think of plenty of alternative explanations to what he heard/saw, and would be surprised if they were being so open about their inspection, rather than being a bit more discreet if they are really returning to OOL. It just seems a bit fishy having that number of people travelling to OOL just to take gate measurements (I'm sure the airport already has these, and JQ would as well), look at the 737 stop line and inform the airport that they don't need rear stairs.

That's just the cynic in me... Would love to see it happen  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:15 am

At last, there is a little industrial harmony at Qantas:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...union/story-fn7j19iv-1226225652830

"Qantas and engineers 'hand in hand', says union

THE union leader who warned Australians not to fly with Qantas changed his tune today after licensed engineers confirmed they had reached an agreement with the airline.

The Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association became the first of three warring Qantas unions to reach a settlement after the grounding of the airline led to compulsory arbitration by Fair Work Australia.

Union national secretary Steve Purvinas said the union and Qantas would go before Fair Work Australia "hand in hand" today, meaning there was no need for the tribunal to impose its own resolution."


One down - two to go. But at least Mr. Shorten seems to have played his part:

Mr Purvinas also said federal Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten had played an important part in encouraging the parties to broker a deal."

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:30 am

Do you think Qantas will return to the Gold Coast to support the Commonwealth Games (still a few years away), or will all the important people have to fly to the Gold Coast in Jetstar?

This would be a great opportunity for JB to organise Virgin Australia to be the official airline of the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:59 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
Do you think Qantas will return to the Gold Coast to support the Commonwealth Games (still a few years away), or will all the important people have to fly to the Gold Coast in Jetstar?

I don't think the CWG will have much baring on it, as the market will dictate which way they choose to go. With a re-launched DJ/VA product being deployed, the competition has ramped up for QF though.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
This would be a great opportunity for JB to organise Virgin Australia to be the official airline of the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games.

After the AN games sponsorship in 2000 he may choose to save his cash  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:22 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
Do you think Qantas will return to the Gold Coast to support the Commonwealth Games (still a few years away), or will all the important people have to fly to the Gold Coast in Jetstar?

I would have thought Qantas would be watching to see what sort of Corporate Contracts DJ wins in the Gold Coast market and whether those losses are enough for it to put mainline back into OOL to stop the losses.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:38 am

Travel Weekly is saying that Air Australia has confirmed will start both China and Vietnam next year:

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/news/...australia-to-china-vietnam-in-july

"Air Australia will start three times weekly services to Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh from Melbourne and Brisbane in June 2012 pending regulatory approval, the carrier has confirmed."

There's som,e interesting stuff from Mr. James as to how they intend to approach (package) the market:

"While James claimed the airline now had outbound distribution “down pat”, he was daunted by the task of distribution in China, its first inbound market.

"It's one of the big risks - if we don't get distribution right in the Chinese market, it could all go pear-shaped," he said, adding that the airline would enlist government support to help them “do it right”.


And also a comment on the Honolulu service:

"Meanwhile, he claimed that load factors for the airline’s new services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu, which took to the skies last week, were averaging 92%."

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:12 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
"Meanwhile, he claimed that load factors for the airline’s new services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu, which took to the skies last week, were averaging 92%."

Fantastic news, as I'm planning to fly PER-MEL-HNL-BNE-PER on Air Australia and Qantas for the domestic legs in July next year in Business.

I wonder if Air Australia will ever try long haul from PER? NRT, PVG, PEK, SGN, ICN, TPE and MNL are all large ports without a direct service.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:14 am

Interesting quote in my Crickey e-mail today (Fair use)

Quote:
Running the sums on the Qantas fleet. Our aviation guru Ben Sandilands has often commented on the lack of 777 aircraft in the Qantas fleet. An anonymous Qantas 747 captain has lobbed in with some stats that reveal the answer:

"Last week I flew to LAX [Los Angeles] on a 747 and spoke to the Delta 777 behind me. For the same sector Sydney/LAX these are the comparable fuel figures: 747s burn off 136,400kg; 777s burn 95,500kg. Fuel flow in cruise: 747s do 11,800kg per hour; 777s do 7700kg per hour. Pax [passenger numbers] on board: 747s have 260; 777s have 232. I didnt get the actual payload carried by the 777 but on pax numbers they carried roughly 10% less paxs for 30% less fuel used. We are provided with a cost figure by Qantas for additional uplift of every 1000kgs in dollar terms. On that figure the extra 28 paxs cost $27,000. You don't need to be Einstein to know why we are in such trouble."
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:26 am

You may have seen in other threads that Etihad is taking a substantial shareholding in Air Berlin. Air Berlin will be providing a service between the new airport at Berlin and Abu Dhabi - this flight will give good connections onto EY flights to Australia.

Interesting thing is that Air Berlin is in the process of joining OneWorld (sponsored by BA). Etihad also has signed an agreement with Malaysia Airlines, which is also joining OneWorld (that is, if both AirBerlin and Malaysian continue to want to join OneWorld).

So, passengers might fly on a Virgin Australia operated flight to AUH, and connect onto an Air Berlin flight to Germany, both flights with EY codeshare.

Etihad does have codeshares with a lot of carriers, including Alitalia and Olympic. This could cause some confusion as to whether you can use certain combinations of carriers, if you were doing a trip between Australia and Germany or Italy.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:39 am

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 10):
Interesting quote in my Crickey e-mail today (Fair use)

Quote:
Running the sums on the Qantas fleet. Our aviation guru Ben Sandilands has often commented on the lack of 777 aircraft in the Qantas fleet. An anonymous Qantas 747 captain has lobbed in with some stats that reveal the answer:

I wonder if Ben Sandilands will ever call a truce on his war with Qantas.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 10):
747s have 260; 777s have 232.

I have sever doubts about these numbers. They would mean that QF have a load facyor of 55-60% and DL 90% or so. Some how I doubt that spread of load factors.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:35 am

I see that Perth Airport PER has officially opened the spotters area. I think I'll head over this weekend and check it out...

http://www.perthairport.com.au/About...way_experience_for_the_public.aspx

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:42 am

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 10):
Interesting quote in my Crickey e-mail today (Fair use)

Quote:
Running the sums on the Qantas fleet. Our aviation guru Ben Sandilands has often commented on the lack of 777 aircraft in the Qantas fleet. An anonymous Qantas 747 captain has lobbed in with some stats that reveal the answer:

"Last week I flew to LAX [Los Angeles] on a 747 and spoke to the Delta 777 behind me. For the same sector Sydney/LAX these are the comparable fuel figures: 747s burn off 136,400kg; 777s burn 95,500kg. Fuel flow in cruise: 747s do 11,800kg per hour; 777s do 7700kg per hour. Pax [passenger numbers] on board: 747s have 260; 777s have 232. I didnt get the actual payload carried by the 777 but on pax numbers they carried roughly 10% less paxs for 30% less fuel used. We are provided with a cost figure by Qantas for additional uplift of every 1000kgs in dollar terms. On that figure the extra 28 paxs cost $27,000. You don't need to be Einstein to know why we are in such trouble."

Not to mention the extra space available in the hold for revenue earning freight on a 777.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:20 am

Qf is still hurting badly with forward bookings. The Fin review of today has an article about QF monitoring the Euro finance crisis and its ongoing impact. Talk of cancelling FRA route and even returning leased a/c early to survive
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:07 pm

Shame about forward bookings and I won't be negative but as soon as you mention Jetstar or Alan Joyce EK A380 or NZ 77W across the tasman is severely testing my loyalty despite my platinum status.

Nice that one of the Unions has settled but Joyce is kidding himself. The problems at Perth regarding weather on 6th December was more about Joyce than anything else. The festering wounds with the other two unions need to be sorted. Was not coincidence that Virgin operated practically normal schedule on the same day......
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:40 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 17):

Im sorry but i was one of the crew stuck on one of those jets out on the tarmac! I can tell you now it was the overflow of aircraft, and nothing to do with QF, there were no-where to park aircraft, it was more PER Airport to blame due to being to small to support a Hub. Also, further to DJ still operating that night, along with other carriers such as Alliance, you will find that they are actually under 'investigation' now by for not having procedures set in place for their staff not to be out on a tarmac in an electrical storm! QF follows a strict saftey culture, as you will know safety is our number one priority, and thats not just for pax, it also goes for staff, i really dont think its fair that people blame QF for that storm, and for actually protecting thier employee's by not sending them out on a tarmac in an eletrical storm!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:48 am

* Malaysia Airlines is suspending its Perth - Kota Kinabalu service with effect 30JAN12

* Air Australia plans to commence thrice weekly services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh City from June 2012. Services to Bali, Phuket and Honolulu will be increased in March 2012

* Air New Zealand has been awarded the Norfolk Island air services contract and will begin flying exclusively to Brisbane and Sydney from Norfolk Island in March 2012 (both 2x weekly and commence 02MAR12)

* Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines will simplify its range of fare products from 17JAN12, reducing from 4 to 3 fare categories. on 21NOV11 the Airline introduced an additional Monday Brisbane to Tamworth service, bringing total weekly services to 14 weekly. Additionally, Canberra - Tamworth is now a permanent service and runs 2x weekly

* A new start-up Airline, Calibre Airways is expected to commence FIFO Fokker 50 operations ex-Brisbane in 2012 and are currently looking to recruite type rated tech crew

* Virgin Australia has opened its newest lounge in Mackay, with a seating capacity of 70 guests. The lounge experience is modelled on that of its new Brisbane and Melbourne lounges. Virgin Australia will also introduce additional Mackay to Brisbane flights in March 2012, bring weekly services to 78, the highest frequency of any airline on the route

* Emirates will introduce the A380 on its Dubai - Melbourne - Auckland service in October 2012, replacing the existing 777-300ER. MEL will be the second port in Australia to see Emirates A380s

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[Edited 2011-12-21 22:59:49]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:35 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 19):
* Malaysia Airlines is suspending its Perth - Kota Kinabalu service with effect 30JAN12

What a shame! I believe this was the last chip to kill off BI's PER-BWN service which ceased in October. I know this flight didn't sell but it was cool to see an MH 738 down under.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:46 am

Ben175, I feel the same way too. BI would have stood a chance with a reduced 320/319 service if MH had withdrawn early on.
From some 6 odd weekly flights between PER and east Malaysia/Brunei, there will soon be zero.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:32 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 20):
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 21):

I flew on this service in June, BKI-PER on the B738 BSI  unfortunately only 2 of us in J-Class and 59 in Y-Class
Its sad to see it go, if only people knew how beautiful Sabah really is, they would want to go, but i guess that comes down to advertising, which i only really saw in PER and no other capital.  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:11 pm

I know it's probably overly-optimistic thinking, but any chance we could see AK commence BKI-PER service? AirAsia know how to market down under and they've established a huge presence in WA - with 1-2 daily KUL flights and up to 5 DPS flights a day. With the advertising, I really do think this route is viable - even at say 3 x weekly.

I'll always remember when MH used to fly in a 330 from Kuching every Tuesday and Saturday. Things have really changed.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 24):

I heard DJ wanted to start PER-BKI-PER

Or dare i say it... even if JQ start the route .... sigh

and the biggest long shot.... but with our tie-up with MH, maybe QF could start. ALOT of 738's overnight in PER everynight, BKI is actually a good connecting point in Asia, you have, if you time the flight right;
KUL x 9 MH
HKG x 2 MH and KA
HND x 1 MH
KCH x 1 MH
TPE x 1 MH
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:18 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25):
I heard DJ wanted to start PER-BKI-PER

Or dare i say it... even if JQ start the route .... sigh

and the biggest long shot.... but with our tie-up with MH, maybe QF could start. ALOT of 738's overnight in PER everynight, BKI is actually a good connecting point in Asia, you have, if you time the flight right;
KUL x 9 MH
HKG x 2 MH and KA
HND x 1 MH
KCH x 1 MH
TPE x 1 MH

BKI would tie in nicely with DJ, they already fly to DPS and HKT. JQ another (but smaller) possibility.

QF commencing a NEW international route from PER? Pigs will fly passengers before that ever happens!   
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 26):

Hahaha completely agree! but one could wish!

On another note....

Oh dear, and how did we all miss this one? DJ to start SYD-DRW to connect with the MI flight DRW-SIN commencing 0April 2nd 2012.
http://www.virginaustralia.com/ws/en...dia/2011/PR_SIA_SA_DARWIN_SERVICE/

Also, VC have started ops BNE-MEL-BNE. 2 Flights Mo Tu We Th Fr and 1 Flight Sa Su.... they kept that quiet...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:02 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 24):
I heard DJ wanted to start PER-BKI-PER

Or dare i say it... even if JQ start the route .... sigh

DJ possibly with a B738, to diversify their flying.

at 5:35 block time, AK wouldn't do it with a narrowbody and it would be a stretch for JQ too.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:21 am

Huge dramas with Air Australia and one of the largest travel insurers. This has been going on for weeks but is at the point of creating major havoc

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...alia-customers-need-certainty-now/

The withdrawal of insolvency insurance appears to be linked to the airline’s reluctance to email commercial-in-confidence details to the insurer or its underwriter.

Air Australia and Flight Centre are supposed to be in ‘discussions’ today aimed at resolving the issues. Whatever comes out of this needs to be relayed to consumers in the clearest of terms.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:04 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 26):
Oh dear, and how did we all miss this one? DJ to start SYD-DRW to connect with the MI flight DRW-SIN commencing 0April 2nd 2012.

We didn't   It was in the last thread, and raised in the dedicated MI SIN-DRW thread...
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:22 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 28):
Huge dramas with Air Australia and one of the largest travel insurers. This has been going on for weeks but is at the point of creating major havoc

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...alia-customers-need-certainty-now/

The withdrawal of insolvency insurance appears to be linked to the airline’s reluctance to email commercial-in-confidence details to the insurer or its underwriter.

To be honest it is news to me that any travel insurer still offers insolvency cover. I remember that most insurers in NZ/Australia used to, but after the 11 September attacks in 2001 and a large number of airline collapses (AN/SN/SR/2T and so on) I was under the impression that pretty much everyone re-wrote their policies to exclude financial collapse.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:39 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 29):

haha awesome, ive spent a couple months away from here..... sorry everyone.. and in my defense i live in WA so im behind  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 17):
The problems at Perth regarding weather on 6th December was more about Joyce than anything else. The festering wounds with the other two unions need to be sorted. Was not coincidence that Virgin operated practically normal schedule on the same day......

See JQFlightie below - this is pretty accurate and confirmed by an QF engineer...

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 18):
Im sorry but i was one of the crew stuck on one of those jets out on the tarmac! I can tell you now it was the overflow of aircraft, and nothing to do with QF, there were no-where to park aircraft, it was more PER Airport to blame due to being to small to support a Hub. Also, further to DJ still operating that night, along with other carriers such as Alliance, you will find that they are actually under 'investigation' now by for not having procedures set in place for their staff not to be out on a tarmac in an electrical storm! QF follows a strict saftey culture, as you will know safety is our number one priority, and thats not just for pax, it also goes for staff, i really dont think its fair that people blame QF for that storm, and for actually protecting thier employee's by not sending them out on a tarmac in an eletrical storm!

That some storm - I dont know that I have seen such an extended length for time for an electrical storm, normally they come, flash and rumble, and them they are gone again, but not that one...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:04 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 30):

To be honest it is news to me that any travel insurer still offers insolvency cover. I remember that most insurers in NZ/Australia used to, but after the 11 September attacks in 2001 and a large number of airline collapses (AN/SN/SR/2T and so on) I was under the impression that pretty much everyone re-wrote their policies to exclude financial collapse.

Which really is one of the biggest things that actually does need to be insured for! Its a low risk but if it happens then there goes your trip and money. That said I was under the impression that these days funds for bookings made through a travel agent were actually held in independant trust and paid to the airline afterwards (ie airline collects your ticket from you at checkin then claims the money from the trust).
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Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:17 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 33):
That said I was under the impression that these days funds for bookings made through a travel agent were actually held in independant trust and paid to the airline afterwards (ie airline collects your ticket from you at checkin then claims the money from the trust).

I have heard of that in some countries, specifically the UK, but I was not aware that it was the practice in this part of the world ( having said that, it is now more than 7 years since I left the mainstream travel industry, so I could be well out of date). If you have any more info about this trust and how it works I would be really interested.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:39 am

QF 017 recently diverted to SCL. QF's Boeing 747-400ERs are seemingly becoming a regular feature at SCL. Next March, QF will luckily become a permanent feature at SCL.

VH-OEE AT SCL on December 19th:
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:20 am

it looks like as of 15FEB12 MH124 and MH126 PER-KUL goes from B772 to A333

Also couldnt find this in Thread 56 (yes i had a good look this time)
QR have loaded their flights for PER. Flights start 03JUL12

QR900 DOH-PER 0150-1815 A332 11hr25min
QR901 PER-DOH 2230-0520 A332 11hr50min

Great flight times, that offer connections to;
UK/EU: ATH BER BUD FRA GVA LHR MAN MAD CDG OSL FCO VIE ZRH MXP MUC
US/South America: IAH JFK IAD EZE GRU
Africa/ME/India: AUH DXB ALG ESB BAH GYD BEY CPT (long way round) CMN CMB DMM DAR JNB (long way round) KRT KWI LOS LXR MLE MCT NBO RUH TBS TUN

Now my next question; Is this the upper limit of the A332's range?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:42 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 36):

Now my next question; Is this the upper limit of the A332's range?

No, it's 620 nm shorter (great circle) than QFs own AKL-LAX A332 service.
I belive there are longer A332 routes, it came up in another thread a week or so ago.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:07 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 37):

ok thanks. i didnt realise out AKL-LAX was that long... thats what happens when you sleep for most of it!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 36):
it looks like as of 15FEB12 MH124 and MH126 PER-KUL goes from B772 to A333

It means that MH has a new interior cabin and seats inside A333 and also new livery as well.

I don't think that i would like to fly on that A332 on the long-haul flight. lol I think I have had enough of flying A333s thousand times though!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:49 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 39):
I don't think that i would like to fly on that A332 on the long-haul flight. lol I think I have had enough of flying A333s thousand times though!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:04 pm

A mate of mine down in Melbourne said he saw an AtlasJet A330-200 in on a couple of days last week. Anybody have any more info? Maybe a charter or wet lease for an existing carrier?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:13 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 41):

I Believe that is Air Australia ....... wet lease
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:50 am

Does anybody know why the QR website won't allow me to book certain routes.

I was trying to book PER-DOH-OSL. I know that it didn't allow me to do this before, due to there being no connections, as flying from PER was a codeshare to KUL (I think it was KUL).

But with the new service starting, the connection times are perfect (about 2 hours each way), so the above shouldn't be an issue.

I haven't tried to see, but this could be a problem for other routes as well. Not great from QR's side, as I need to book soon, and I can't even get a price quote, this will surely lose themselves some business.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:57 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 42):
I Believe that is Air Australia ....... wet lease

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:19 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 43):
I need to book soon

If the website doesn't offer it then Flight Centre is your friend...

Whenever my mother (loyal SQ flyer) goes to the UK (on business) she ends up going through LHR to MAN because the times of the SIN-MUC-MAN service are simply impractical for her, arriving/departing as they do in the morning.

If you go on the SQ website (or any other for that matter) good luck booking a trip to MAN with a BD connection over LHR, they simply try and push everyone onto their own metal and don't advertise any other options (LHR, FRA etc).

However, that has never meant that it can't be booked with a quick phone call and some key strokes from somebody with the power to outwhit the computer...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:42 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45):
If the website doesn't offer it then Flight Centre is your friend...

The thing is that i'm just after a quote, as there are many other options. I don't really want to go through the hassle of flight centre (partly as im overseas). Anyway, it's there loss. if my father had tried to book, he wouldn't even have known they flew to Oslo simply as he wasn't given the option.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:30 pm

Just noticed Strategic VH-SSA A330 operating for Air Pacific tonight flight FJI930 MEL-NAN tonight
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:23 pm

Yes it did BNE-NAN as well yesterday FJ9091 mayby a positioning flight.Currently doing FJ 923 NAN-BNE.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #57

Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:45 am

Brisbane Growth.

Virgin will add a extra 5 services a day Mon-Fri plus some weekend services in January with more flights to be added in Feb and March with a possible total of 11-12 extra departure flights a day by April added.

EMD starts twice daily in January and GLT goes to 3 a day with Mackay going up to 6 a day weekdays and Sydney up from 19 to 20 a day in March.ATR'S to ROK from Feb 2012 on weekends only.

Aeropelican adds a 2nd weekday BNE-Narrabri in Feb .

Air Australia have already announced BNE-HKT from 2 to 3 a week and BNE-HNL also up from 2 to 3 a week and BNE-DPS increases from 4 to 6 a week at end of March as well.

When BNE-SGN and BNE-SHA start in late June then expect BNE-MEL to increase as well for connection purposes.

Qantaslink will increase BNE-Moranbah,Roma,Emerald in Feb-March as well along with 717's on GLT,ROK.MKY.

Expect Tiger to recommence SYD-BNE in June as well.A 2nd base will open then probably SYD.

Also expect a major increase in FIFO in 2012 with 3 new carriers operating out of BNE.2 newies and one from WA.

With 650 movements a day on the busiest days currently, expect near 700 a day by this time next year.
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