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US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:06 pm

Hi Everyone!

Just wondering if anyone knows of the upgrade status for the US A333's. I read here that they are getting an upgrade in Economy and also getting the new envoy seats.

The only aircraft that I know has an upgrade is N278AY.

Thanks,

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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:38 pm

I flew on N273AY FRA-CLT last week front row in coach and the interior of the aircraft was in pretty bad shape.

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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:41 pm

They all should be done by summer 2012. Also PHL-LHR/MUC will be upgraded to an A330-300 in 2012.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
Also PHL-LHR/MUC will be upgraded to an A330-300 in 2012.

Good to see LHR get the bump in capacity. It made sense to fly the superior product to LHR, but there was a drop off in seats with the A332
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:20 pm

Are they putting the same J seats they have in the A332 into the -300s? And if so how many and will the galley/toilet config change?
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 4):
Are they putting the same J seats they have in the A332 into the -300s? And if so how many and will the galley/toilet config change?

They are the same seats as the A332. It looks like there will be 28 Envoy seats in the A333 which is a net loss of 2 Envoy seats. That is a relatively small number of premium seats although PHL and CLT aren't exactly huge premium markets.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
They are the same seats as the A332. It looks like there will be 28 Envoy seats in the A333 which is a net loss of 2 Envoy seats

Can anyone explain why the 333 couldn't support 30 seats while the 332 could?

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
That is a relatively small number of premium seats although PHL and CLT aren't exactly huge premium markets.

I dunno... I personally preferred connecting in PHL to get on the US 332 versus EWR to fly CO's product because US has the Envoy Suite.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:54 pm

What are the changes to the Y product? New seats or are they just increasing the pitch?

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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:53 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
Can anyone explain why the 333 couldn't support 30 seats while the 332 could?

The 332 has 20 J seats, not 30, because that is all they can fit in the forward section of the aircraft. Many airlines extend the J cabin beyond the second set of doors due to the smaller forward cabin of the -200, but US Airways does not. Interestingly, Delta plans to fit an extra row of the new style J seats in the forward section of the -300 compared to US Airways even though both are using virtually the same seat. The space probably comes from reducing the footprint of galley and lavatory space within the forward cabin and instead using space at the front of the second cabin.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:46 pm

Aircraft 275 that is being refurbished right now should be out of the shop on 12/30 and Aircraft 277 should be out of the shop on 1/26.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:24 pm


As you can see. There are 28 seats in envoy class and economay has been upgraded to new seats with new panasonic AVOD system .I took these pics while working FCO-PHL last month on A/C 278. The only plane outfitted as of now .
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 8):
The 332 has 20 J seats, not 30

Sorry, my mistake.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 10):
As you can see. There are 28 seats in envoy class and economay has been upgraded to new seats with new panasonic AVOD system .I took these pics while working FCO-PHL last month on A/C 278. The only plane outfitted as of now .

Fantastic!
I'm looking forward to flying J again. Hopefully it is in the cards soon.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:53 pm

Isn't 275 suppose to be the next aircraft to be done?
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 10):
I took these pics while working FCO-PHL last month on A/C 278. The only plane outfitted as of now .

It looks good. Except for the 762, US will have a very consistent hard product once these upgrades are complete. Quite a decent product actually.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:30 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 12):
Isn't 275 suppose to be the next aircraft to be done?
Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 9):
Aircraft 275 that is being refurbished right now should be out of the shop on 12/30 and Aircraft 277 should be out of the shop on 1/26.

Yes, 275 then 277
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:51 pm

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 13):
Quite a decent product actually.

Now if only their F/As would wear ties on international flights...

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 13):
Except for the 762

Does anyone have pics of the 762 interiors? Or the pre-mods A-333s?
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:52 pm

Both the 762 and 757 will have a different Envoy seats other than the 330's. The 762 Envoy cabin was recently upgraded so I doubt they will make any changes to it soon, not sure what the long term plan with the TATL 757's J cabin is. Etops 1 does the 333's new IFE have a flight tracker on it? Is it the smae to the 332 IFE system?

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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:05 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 16):
Etops 1 does the 333's new IFE have a flight tracker on it? Is it the smae to the 332 IFE system?

When the A333 seats were changed a few years ago, was there a slight upgrade to the IFE?
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:18 am

Well US will have to retire their 767-200's soon, so this is pointless, as will AA. But if US keeps it on the routes it is now, i could see at least five more years for the 762.
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:24 am

No, to my knowledge there has never been a mod to the 333 IFE until now. However, when the extra rows were added to the 333 the IFE on these aircraft started having issues. Some say it was due to the extra seats, but who really knows.

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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 18):
Well US will have to retire their 767-200's soon, so this is pointless, as will AA. But if US keeps it on the routes it is now, i could see at least five more years for the 762.

Someone on here has said that the 762 is going to be flying with US until 2017, which would be about 5 years from now, Its also rumored that these aircraft are going to be getting some kind of upgrade in Enovy.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:18 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 20):
Its also rumored that these aircraft are going to be getting some kind of upgrade in Enovy.

Unfortunately, I have heard the opposite. The current "lie-flat" seats serve their purpose, and will likely do so until the B767s retirement. Remember, these birds primarily fly leisure routes to Europe and the Caribbean, so a fancy new Envoy cabin isn't necessairly needed.

Quoting chepos (Reply 16):
not sure what the long term plan with the TATL 757's J cabin is.

I'm pretty sure we will see a new J cabin in the near future, probably a flat bed seat a la CO. In addition, we will likely see new Y seats, and AVOD throughout.

Quoting chepos (Reply 16):
Etops 1 does the 333's new IFE have a flight tracker on it? Is it the smae to the 332 IFE system?

The refurbed A333s carry the new IFE system, the Panasonic ex2. The ex2 features the Panasonic Voyager. The unrefurbished A333s carry the Sony P@ssport throughout the plane, and the US A333 was the first plane to have AVOD in all classes I believe. (At the time, US had a International First Class cabin. Envoy was the name of International J)
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:24 am

The US 762 is newly upgraded (by their standards) and probably would not be touched again until they are retired. This A333 upgrade is great for US -- adds commonality, reduces weight, and probably is way more accommodating to pax. It will be good for the second half of that A333 fleet's career. The one remaining question is their 757 fleet actually. Some on here have said they will be upgraded in advance of roughly 10 more years in service. What is the US longhaul fleet including 757 ETOPS?
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:40 am

From what I know from a good source ,they are on the fence with the 757 . They know they have to keep up with the competition but is it enough to spend money on an upgrade. They are not quite sure if they are going to keep the 757 or not but they just can't find a replacement . I think that in the end ,they are going to be forced to do some kind of upgrade on the 757. And to Chepos , Yes . the upgraded A330's have the flight map installed. There is a huge screen middle the bulkhead of each cabin displaying the map. Also the entertainment system is the new Panasonic system . The economy seats have more room between them as well because they are skinnier than the old seats installed .They did a good job on it .
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:51 am

US could stop using A330's on their PHL-SJU routes and replace it with the 757outfitted with winglets, or the A321. Then they could use their a330's on an Asian route, possibly SEA-NRT.
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:54 am

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 24):
Then they could use their a330's on an Asian route, possibly SEA-NRT.

Why would US ever consider flying to Asia out of Seattle, especially to Tokyo? US has absolutely no feed in SEA aside from their hubs; there is a Star carrier (UA) on SEA-NRT that has some of their feed (albeit rather limited now with most E-120s gone from SEA) and Delta having their flights as well (that get feed from AS).

Asia won't even be on the board until the A350s start coming on property or external forces in the industry occur.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:14 am

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 24):
US could stop using A330's on their PHL-SJU routes and replace it with the 757outfitted with winglets, or the A321. Then they could use their a330's on an Asian route, possibly SEA-NRT.

The flights to SJU seem to get whatever equipment is available, It may be scheduled as a A330 but it will probably swap to something else day of departure. Towards the end of this past summer the swaps on these flights were an everyday occurrence
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:34 am

Typically, the A330 that does a daylight PHL-SJU round trip is the operational spare aircraft that RONs in PHL and goes to Europe if one of the other widebodies goes tech. With the A330-300 fleet reaching the Airbus equivalent of a D check coinciding with the complete cabin refit, this swap has seemed to be happening more often, but hopefully dispatch reliability on this fleet will improve after the updates and heavy maintenance. Given that 1-2 A333s are out for this maintenance at the moment, the current widebody fleet rotations may be a bit - I don't have time to check how everything is routed at the moment. But when the spare A330 goes, the SJU flight will get whatever is available - 767, 757, A321 etc. I assume it's scheduled as an A330 to increase cargo capacity and utilize an otherwise stagnant aircraft.

I have no idea why US would put an A330 on a random route like SEA-NRT. It isn't in their strategy at the moment, it would have to position there, and they'd have to drop or downguage a European route in order to maintain an operational spare 330 on the east coast. Barring some sort of tie up with AS, I couldn't see this happening.
 
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RE: US A330-300 Cabin Upgrades: Update

Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:25 am

275 Return to Service has been pushed back to Jan 4th.