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Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:07 pm

I'm curious to know how many of DLs current fleet have been painted in all of the last four colours;
"Widget" (pre-1997)
"Ron Allen"
"Deltaflot" ("Wavy Gravy")
"Current"

And is it possible that one or more of the 757s in the "Song" colours were also painted in the other four making five total!

I assume that all the aircraft that have been in DLs current fleet more than 14 years would be the ones, that's assuming that none of them skipped the next colour scheme during the course of maintenance. How many other airlines have gone through four colour scheme changes in twelve years (1996-2008 with 1996 being the last year of "Widget" painting to 2008 the first year of the "Current" painting)?

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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:36 pm

All mainline aircraft are in the current livery now.

Widget- None of the 737-700/800's
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Widget- None of the 737-700/800's

None of the 764ERs or 777s either.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Widget- None of the 737-700/800's

And none of the 777s and 764s. Those never saw the widget livery because they were delivered only in the late 90s/early 00s.

And none of the types that were with Northwest and not with Delta pre merger:
B757-300
A319/320
A330
DC-9-50
B747-400
Those only saw the current livery (late 07-present).

Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:41 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.

Definitely not the 752s that were with Northwest.

Among the three types I mention, the ones that were delivered to Delta prior to 1997. I believe that all the MD-88s were,

I don't have the detailed fleet data but that's how I would pursue the search if I had it on an XL spreadsheet. I would proceed by elimination.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

Don't forget the domestic non-ER 763s as well; they wore all four liveries.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:34 pm

There are a few 767-332 domestics that have worn all four liveries. See this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4260499/
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.

There was a discussion about this a couple years back. I think I brought it up.

Basically it wasn't what aircraft type but what particular airframe wore all 4 (or 5 if a 757)

Of course the only individual airframes qualifying would be 757-200s, 767-300s, MD-88s or MD-90s

I think it was determined that no particular airframe wore all 4 Delta schemes, but some Song birds wore 4 - the widget, Song, Wavey Gravy then the current.

It was determined that the various MD-80s/757/767 air frames seemed to skip - either went Widget to 1997 to current or
Widget to wavey gravy to current or in the case of some 757s widget to Song to wavey gravey to current, but we couldn't find any data of any going from widget to 1997 to wavey gravy to current or any 757s wearing all 5

Also the Pink 757 was believed to have gone from widget to 1997 to Pink to current.

would also be curious about some Northwest planes still from the 1980s or before that wore:

Northwest 1980s scheme then went bowling shoe to silver to Delta

or in the case of some DC-9s

Republic goose to Republic gray/white to Northwest/Rep hybrid to Northwest 80s to bowling shoe to silver to Delta

Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:23 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

Actually, if it came from Hughes Air West, it could conceivably have had nine different schemes. Hughes Airwest had two paint schemes: the original two color scheme which varied (e.g. blue and green or red and gold) and then the Top Banana.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
"Current"

For reference purposes, the current livery is known as "Onward & Upward".

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
"Deltaflot" ("Wavy Gravy")

This livery was officially known as "Colors in Motion".

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

Yes. Some of Delta's DC-9-50s started their careers with North Central and still fly (for now) in the DL fleet.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:38 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

Don't forget the MD-90.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:39 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Of course the only individual airframes qualifying would be 757-200s, 767-300s, MD-88s or MD-90s

MD-90s I don't think ever wore the 1997 livery, they went straight from the classic Widget to Wavy Gravy.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
I think it was determined that no particular airframe wore all 4 Delta schemes, but some Song birds wore 4 - the widget, Song, Wavey Gravy then the current

There were three or four 767-332s (domestic) that sat outside the TOC for several months awaiting engine maintenance in late 2007/early 2008. While not in the schedule to be painted, they received the 2007 livery early during their downtime. These are some of the same planes that sat in VCV for several years in the newest livery (creating several A.net posts along the way).

One of these planes was N128DL.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:41 am

It looks like MD-88 925DL has also seen all 4 colors. There are no pictures on Airliners of the Widget scheme or the new livery, but it was delivered in 1988 and therefore would have been painted with the Widget. It is also currently active so it should be in the New livery.


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Edit: It appears 904DL has also seen all 4 liveries. None in Widget (oddly enough being one of the first for DL) and none in the New one, but it is currently active.


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So far I've found 2, so I'm assuming there are some more, too that we're missing.

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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:56 am

Quoting fghtngsiouxatc (Reply 14):
So far I've found 2, so I'm assuming there are some more, too that we're missing.

Keep in mind that A/C keep their liveries from 6-8 years, so if you know the a/c delivery date and do the math, you can calculate which a/c had all four liveries.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:04 am

BTW, all MD-88s were in Wavy Gravy prior to the introduction of the current livery. The only aircraft that still had the Ron Allen livery at the time were some 752s, 763s, and 763ERs.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:20 am

I found three 763-ERs that have had all four liveries:

N171DN
N173DN
N174DN

The most interesting one would be the semi-famous N173DN, as it was painted into the latest scheme while stored and still hasn't returned to service.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:36 am

As you know, some of the a/c went from the Widget to the Wavy Gravy to the current livery, bypassing the Ron Allen livery.....some went from the Widget to the Ron Allen to the current livery, bypassing the Wavy Gravy. IIRC, at some point there were mainline a/c in the Widget or Wavy Gravy or Ron Allen liveries, in the fleet.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:19 am

There is also a DC-9 still flying with DL that started life with Swissair before finding its way to NW, N671MC.

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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:50 pm

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

What about a DC-9 that went DL-SO-RC (SO livery w/ RC titles)-RC-NW (several liveries)-and maybe DL again--if not full livery with DL titles? Is that a possibility?
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting swabrian (Reply 20):

What about a DC-9 that went DL-SO-RC (SO livery w/ RC titles)-RC-NW (several liveries)-and maybe DL again--if not full livery with DL titles? Is that a possibility?

Given that legacy Delta never had the DC-9-50, it wouldn't be. All the -30/40s were kept in the redtail until they were retired.

I don't think any of the legacy DL DC-9s made their way back to Delta with the merger (I think they were too early-build and were already retired by NW) but I'm not 100% sure on this.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:23 pm

As Stated earlier, I will confirm that no MD-90 ever wore the Ron Allen scheme.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:56 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
I don't think any of the legacy DL DC-9s made their way back to Delta with the merger

I think you're right. Because the last of the original Delta DC-9s left the fleet in 1993 so I would be very surprised if any of those early built airframes would still be flying 18 years after. Don't forget that Delta's oldest original DC-9 dates from the 60s.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 17):
N171DN

Yes, I spotted this particular aircraft back in 2001 when it was still wearing the Ron Allen scheme. I took a picture of it on the taxiway at JFK.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:07 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
I think you're right. Because the last of the original Delta DC-9s left the fleet in 1993 so I would be very surprised if any of those early built airframes would still be flying 18 years after. Don't forget that Delta's oldest original DC-9 dates from the 60s.

The last DL DC-9 flight was Jan 1, 1993 from DFW to ATL via MEM. The earliest Delta DC-9s were -10s (Delta was the first DC-9 operator), and many of these went to other carriers. But, I am thinking a lot of the DC-9-30s went to SO and Airborne well before 1993. That's why I posted the question if any of these were upgraded and used by NW, and at least got DL titles. I doubted if any were repainted.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
or in the case of some DC-9s

Don't forget the ex-Eastern oddball, N401EA
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:04 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
I don't think any of the legacy DL DC-9s made their way back to Delta with the merger (I think they were too early-build and were already retired by NW) but I'm not 100% sure on this.

I believe N3324L, a DC-93, was the last ex-DL DC-9 left in the NW fleet. It was retired in October, 2008, after the acquisition was underway but before it ever had to wear he Delta name again. It was 41 years old when retired.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:42 pm

I found another one: 935DL has also seen all 4.


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Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 15):
Keep in mind that A/C keep their liveries from 6-8 years, so if you know the a/c delivery date and do the math, you can calculate which a/c had all four liveries.

I was just going off what NASCARAirforce summarized in reply 8. It in fact appears many MD88s wore all 4 liveries.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:17 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 25):
Don't forget the ex-Eastern oddball, N401EA

But it would have worn less schemes - didnt the Eastern plane go directly to Northwest, never saw life in Republic.

Therefore it would have seen Eastern scheme (assuming just the silver, not the white scheme), then didn't it join Northwest at the time of the bowling shoe, then the silver then Delta - so that would have been just four schemes.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:59 am

Quoting swabrian (Reply 24):
The last DL DC-9 flight was Jan 1, 1993 from DFW to ATL via MEM. The earliest Delta DC-9s were -10s (Delta was the first DC-9 operator), and many of these went to other carriers. But, I am thinking a lot of the DC-9-30s went to SO and Airborne well before 1993. That's why I posted the question if any of these were upgraded and used by NW, and at least got DL titles. I doubted if any were

I believe that all of the DC-9-14's bought from Douglas, other than the one lost at GSW in a training accident were sold to Southern, and they went to Republic, and many survived to go on to NW. DL sold off the DC-9-31's acquired from NE first and then started selling off their own DC-9-32's. The ships that stayed with Delta until 1992-93 were traded into MDD on new MD-88's and all ended up with Valujet, and were the reason that Valujet was able to start up so fast with a fleet of well maintained aircraft purchased for very little money. Delta was none too happy at the time. Most of Ozark's fleet of DC-9-31's and 32's that were not purchased new by OZ from Douglas and that later served with TWA after the purchase of OZ came from DL.

As far as the DL liveries, I don't think any Ron Allen colors existed by the time they adopted the current scheme. Leo Mullin had them all painted into his wavy gravy scheme I recall. I remember the Saturday they unveiled the Ron Allen colors on a 767-232. I saw it, and thought, "what were they thinking"? The Ron Allen scheme looked best on the T tailed airplanes, but it did not look particularly good on the 767. Perhaps that is because the scheme itself was not very unique, and the 767 does not have any particular unique exterior features either.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:00 am

ALL md-88's wore the widget.
most not sure number but not all wore ron allen.
All wore wavy gravy
all wore current.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:32 pm

Some personal thoughts, the original widget looks like it was stuck in the 1970s. The big blue cheat line at window level looks ugly on the Original Widget and Ron Allen liveries. The tails on the Ron Allen and Wavy Gravy look uninspiring. However, I like to font used in the Delta name on the Ron Allen and Wavy Gravy liveries the best.
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RE: Delta Airlines Various Colours.

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:00 pm

Quoting FWA2500 (Reply 19):
There is also a DC-9 still flying with DL that started life with Swissair before finding its way to NW, N671MC.

N600TR as well, though there are no photos in the database pre-NW Bowling Shoe.
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