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Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:19 pm

So I know Pan Am did not operate DC9s (I think)... why are they listed on this timetable between Houston and San Antonio?

http://www.departedflights.com/PA090882p16.html
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:27 pm

Could it be a legacy of the National Airlines take over? Not sure if they had DC9s or not have a feeling they had DC8s and I know they had DC10s, so clearly a McDD customer. Perhaps it was left over post-NA merger - just a thought
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 pm

It was Emerald Airlines functioning in a Pan Am Express capacity.
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:30 pm

Emerald code-shared with PA and CO for a bit. When they went bust, their certificate was used for the third incarnation of Braniff.

http://www.braniffpages.com/1984/1984.html
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:53 pm

Quoting n729pa (Reply 1):
Could it be a legacy of the National Airlines take over? Not sure if they had DC9s or not have a feeling they had DC8s and I know they had DC10s, so clearly a McDD customer.

The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era. Of course the original PA never had DC-9s (or 737s) either. They did have 727-100s for their intra-Germany routes.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era. Of course the original PA never had DC-9s (or 737s) either. They did have 727-100s for their intra-Germany routes.

The original Pan Am most certainly did have 737's, -200's to be exact that they purchased or leased used, that were formerly with Air Florida and before that United, as well as former PSA, LH, PW ships and others. I flew PA to GIG in 1989 from ATL via MIA and returned to Atlanta on a -222 with an AF registration. There are numerous pictures of them on this website. Not only were they used stateside but on inter German services. Pan Am never purchased any new from Boeing, but they didn't purchase any 720B's from Boeing either, but they sure as heck operated them. If you are referring to the original Pan Am as pre National merger, then you are correct; all the 737's came in the 80's.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:22 pm

Quoting milesrich (Reply 5):
The original Pan Am most certainly did have 737's, -200's to be exact that they purchased or leased used, that were formerly with Air Florida and before that United, as well as former PSA, LH, PW ships and others.

Yes, I knew that. I meant the original REAL Pan Am before the NA merger and domestic operation. I knew about the 720s.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:53 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era.

National surely did have 2 747-100's also. They later went on to NWA.

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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:25 pm

Here ya go.......

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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:32 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Pan Am DC-9 (goes round collecting winnings off lots of a.netters...)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2563/3974897912_825a3d0741_z.jpg?zz=1

OK it never flew. But that is a DC-9, is it not? In whose livery?

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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:42 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Pan Am DC-9 (goes round collecting winnings off lots of a.netters...)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2563/3974897912_825a3d0741_z.jpg?zz=1

OK it never flew. But that is a DC-9, is it not? In whose livery?

   Sure is a DC-9, or what is left of it.   
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:56 pm

That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):

The inverted Pan Am jetway logo looks futuristic and modern  
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:13 pm

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 11):
That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.

No, it's missing the nose chin scoops for the turbo-compressors. Even when converted to a Series 70s, they were still present but faired over.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:18 pm

I stand corrected....interesting photo then....

Wait a minute--didn't Northeast merge with National which then merged with PanAm????

Northeast flew DC-9s....
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:21 pm

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 14):
Wait a minute--didn't Northeast merge with National which then merged with PanAm????

No. Northeast merged with Delta around 1972. I'm not aware of anyone ever merging with National before PanAm.
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:28 pm

You are right....ok I tried.

I am not aware of any DC-9's then serving in PanAm colors....unless they did one up for a movie or something, or one of the original -10's was done up in Pan Am colors--although since they didn't take any, I'd think it would have been repainted....

I respectfully defer to the rest of you in solving this mystery..oh and Happy Holidays all....
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 11):
That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.

Not possible due to the door placement and much smaller, closely-spaced windows. DC-8 windows were roughly twice as large and more widely-spaced (on 40-inch centers I believe vs. 20 inches for the DC-9).
 
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RE: Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?

Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:44 pm

I'll bet they were CO flights right after they took over Texas International. In order words, an old day version of a code share.

Those flights don't show in the Itinerary section at the end of the PA timetable, even though all other comparable domestic flights do (with 727s). The Departed Flights web site didn't have a CO/TI timetable from exactly the same date as the PA timetable that the OP linked to. However, they did have one dated three months earlier and did have several IAH-SAT flights.

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