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Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:03 pm

In addition to the 6 destinations announced earlier (as reported here: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012 (by leftyboarder Nov 19 2011 in Civil Aviation)), TK outlines plans for yet another set of 6 points to start in 2012:

IST-FIH
IST-BRE
IST-AAL-BLL-IST
IST-EDI
IST-LEJ

Source: http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-TR...vestor_relations/special/2011.aspx

That brings the total of announced destinations to 14, including EZE and MGQ.

Thank you TK787 for letting us know in the Turkish aviation thread!

[Edited 2011-12-23 12:16:04]
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:17 pm

Wow, I never would have expected to see TK in the Congo. If I count correctly TK is now the third Star Alliance carrier after SN Brussels and Ethiopian to serve FIH. Given the fact that the economy is expected to cool globally and thus commodity prices are likely to head south as well, this is a fairly adventurous move.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:38 pm

They said time ago that they are planning to expand very much in Africa when more B737-900ER arrive into the fleet...

LEJ and BRE are more logical given the number of turkish living in Germany...

For me EDI it´s a real surprise... I never imagine TK flying there.....

How many planes are arriving the fleet in 2012?? to open 14 destinations it must be quite a few... because I´m sure they will also add some freqs to existing ones...

Any news about any route being cut??
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:54 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
LEJ and BRE are more logical given the number of Turkish living in Germany..

OT: Those numbers are actually starting to decline. Last year 50K more people moved from Germany to Turkey than in the other direction. Not much of a surprise given the economic prospects of both countries.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:46 pm

It's funny how different people are surprised by different things. To me the most surprising out of the lot are Aalborg and Billund.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:20 pm

When you come to think of it, TK serves pretty much every capital in Europe as well as some secondary cities in Italy, France, UK, Germany, Spain. It was about time to expand into the next tier of airports. I am also expecting BRS, KRK, maybe FLR, BOD, MRS, TLL, VNO... this year or next - they all make sense.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:13 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
including EZE

Oh, I missed that announcement! Is that a 77W route too? I am happy for TK. They are growing fast!!! Would love to see them in MEX.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:02 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
How many planes are arriving the fleet in 2012?? to

18 more planes to arrive,
I imagine 3 more 333s, 2 more 332Fs, and the rest is 321/738/739.
I wouldn't be surprised if TK took some 319s and few more Long Haul aircraft during 2012.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Oh, I missed that announcement! Is that a 77W route too? I am happy for TK. They are growing fast!!! Would love to see them in MEX.

EZE will be an add on to GRU, if ever!
MEX is high and hot, so I am not sure if it is possible but I am sure it will be on top of the list when 787/350 comes along.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:40 am

Any word if, and or when, the 739ER might come to Adana (ADA/LTAF)? Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:50 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
EZE will be an add on to GRU, if ever!
MEX is high and hot, so I am not sure if it is possible but I am sure it will be on top of the list when 787/350 comes along.

Thank you TK787.  

I guess MEX could also be done as a tag-on from a European or North American destination.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:31 am

I thought they already made destinations to EDI. Guess i was wrong...
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:54 am

FIH is Kinshasa, for anyone else who's still confused.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:38 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-BRE
Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-LEJ

there is a significant number of people living in Germany with Turkish background, but not so much in those cities and the surroundings. Lufthansa won't be pleased with that.

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-AAL-BLL-IST

this route makes sense with the amount of foreign people living in Denmark, but does it generate year-round good loads and yields?

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-EDI

definately a field where the gulf carriers are still not existing. advantage here: they can serve it with narrowbodies whereas EK/QR/EY and the like have to use their widebodies

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 8):

Any word if, and or when, the 739ER might come to Adana (ADA/LTAF)? Thanks.

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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:17 am

The article also mentions Abidjan as a tag on to Accra which will become a nonstop destination next month.
So the actual number is 7....
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Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:59 am

its great to see a National Carrier expanding when alot of Airlines are shrinking or cutting routes! good on you TK !! keep it up! 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:15 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
For me EDI it´s a real surprise... I never imagine TK flying there.....

That's great news for those of us with businesses in Edinburgh. Gives us a great (and probably well priced) option (beyond connecting at LHR, CDG, AMS or FRA) for flights heading South and East. I can see us using that for HKG or SIN especially.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:16 pm

Its not just about the turkish community living in germany; many passengers save time (and money) using SA member THY to go to the asian continent. And as far as I know it is the fastest connection to "abondoned" countries like georgia, kyrgistan etc where THY is the only present one besides the home carriers.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 3):
OT: Those numbers are actually starting to decline. Last year 50K more people moved from Germany to Turkey than in the other direction. Not much of a surprise given the economic prospects of both countries.


really? 50,00 more people moved from Germany to Turkey than from turkey to Germany? Im sure that number is only measuring legal ones which is a huge factor. If thats true is it illegals or people who things didn't work out as well as they had hoped returning home? Having been to both countries i cannot see that many more people leaving Germany for Turkey. I've seen Tons of Turks everywhere i stepped in Germany and not many Germans in Turkey besides the obvious tourists.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:56 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17):
really? 50,00 more people moved from Germany to Turkey than from turkey to Germany? Im sure that number is only measuring legal ones which is a huge factor. If thats true is it illegals or people who things didn't work out as well as they had hoped returning home? Having been to both countries i cannot see that many more people leaving Germany for Turkey. I've seen Tons of Turks everywhere i stepped in Germany and not many Germans in Turkey besides the obvious tourists.

To the best of my knowledge it is primarily (younger) Turks who have lived in Germany and who are now returning to their motherland because they consider the economic prospects in Turkey to be more promising.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:04 pm

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 18):
To the best of my knowledge it is primarily (younger) Turks who have lived in Germany and who are now returning to their motherland because they consider the economic prospects in Turkey to be more promising.

Yes that's true, especially young professionals.

Quoting Carmelo (Reply 16):
Its not just about the turkish community living in germany

Most of these new routes will feed TK's expanding network. As you say it's not just about serving the Turkish community anymore.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:43 pm

Great to see they launch new routes to Central and West Africa: Kinshasa (FIH) and Abidjan (ABJ).

Do you know the schedules, the days of operations and the aircraft type for both FIH and ABJ?
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 20):
Do you know the schedules, the days of operations and the aircraft type for both FIH and ABJ?

No timetables yet but like in the past TK will start 3-4 x weekly and within a year or so it will go daily. More than likely the African routes will be served by the brand new 739ER aircraft (12J/168Y) with two extra fuel tanks for extended range.
TK ordered 15 of these 739ERs and the goal is within two years to increase the number of destinations served in Africa to 35.
 
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Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:15 pm

And, as a coach passenger, they have some of the best food in the air!
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:42 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17):
really? 50,00 more people moved from Germany to Turkey than from turkey to Germany? Im sure that number is only measuring legal ones which is a huge factor. If thats true is it illegals or people who things didn't work out as well as they had hoped returning home? Having been to both countries i cannot see that many more people leaving Germany for Turkey. I've seen Tons of Turks everywhere i stepped in Germany and not many Germans in Turkey besides the obvious tourists.

slcdeltarumd11, with the way the economy is in Turkey (and I assume you probably know how it is in EU as well!) you'd be suprised to know the amount of German's willing to move to Turkey. I know it sounds weird but for the job openings where I work, we receive suprisingly high amounts of EU applications to work in Turkey, anybody from workers to C-Level executives. This was not the case 5 years ago. You couldnt get a single EU resume for a job in Turkey.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:50 pm

Could TK make it from IST to SYD non stop? If so, what is the likelihood of seeing this route be announced in the future?
 
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Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:57 pm

TK announced it was interested in flying to Australia a couple of years ago. IST-SYD is 9,293 miles (statute) on a Great Circle Map path.

If TK launches SYD, it would be one-stop. SIN is almost on the Great Circle Map path. A stop in India would also be efficient.
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Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:23 pm

I'm waiting for the eventual IAH announcement.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:50 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 25):
TK announced it was interested in flying to Australia a couple of years ago. IST-SYD is 9,293 miles (statute) on a Great Circle Map path.

If TK launches SYD, it would be one-stop. SIN is almost on the Great Circle Map path. A stop in India would also be efficient.

May sound like a wild idea ... but TK could lauch an IST-DAC-SYD flight.

1. DAC will only be a 0.5% detour from a non-stop route on the great circle. But more importantly, I think this flight has good economic potential. Australia has a huge Bangladeshi immigrant population - both in SYD and MEL - currently connecting primarily using SQ and TG. There is no non-stop service on these routes.

2. An IST-DAC-SYD should have no problem filling the flights and avoid fights at hubs like SIN (well, unless the whole thing is done through a *A code-sharing arrangement) This will allow the IST-KHI-DAC flight to be decoupled - and should increase the popularity of the IST-DAC flight too. TK will be able to offer one-stop Europe and North America connections from DAC.

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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:02 am

What do you mean by "MEX is high and hot"? Does it have some operational or a/c limitations? Is it an expensive route to operate? Could we have more details? Thanks.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 12):
looks like you missed it!

Damn! Maybe next time. Thanks.
 
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:27 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 27):
May sound like a wild idea ... but TK could lauch an IST-DAC-SYD flight.

Your words sound wise to me!
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:38 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 28):
"MEX is high and hot"?

The airport is at 7600 feet and the average year round temperature is warmer than most other places, those two factors affect the takeoff performance of aircraft.

From wikipedia:

In aviation, hot and high is a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation. Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. Lower air density reduces the amount of lift generated by the wings or the rotors of an aircraft, which may hamper an aircraft's performance and hence its ability to operate safely. The reduced density also harms the performance of the aircraft's engine, compounding the effect. Aviators gauge air density by calculating the density altitude.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:47 am

Quoting Carmelo (Reply 16):
And as far as I know it is the fastest connection to "abondoned" countries like georgia,

LOT flies to Tbilisi, Yerevan with convenient connections to/from Western Europe.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:57 am

Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 32):

Is TK starting IST-ULN?
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:25 pm

There was a rumour somewhere that they were looking at WLG. Seems odd to me given short runway and would have thought that if they were looking at New Zealand I would have a thought a tag on from SYD/MEL/BNE/PER would be the way to go.

I have read that TK are trying to emulate the EK business model with IST a major transit point.

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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:16 am

Quoting alsberg (Reply 33):
Is TK starting IST-ULN?

Not that I'm aware of! Traffic would be thin I suppose.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:24 am

Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 35):
Not that I'm aware of! Traffic would be thin I suppose.

In the thread starter I posted a link to another thread, there you can see that TK actually did announce IST-OVB-ULN to start next year.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:16 pm

I like TK expansion lately. They think outside the box!

I just think that it is taking too long for them to start Luanda flights. Angola is booming and the restrictive bilaterals with other countries drives yield way up.
I'm pretty sure that FIH flights will be very sucessfull as there's little competition to Democratic Republic of Congo.

[Edited 2011-12-26 04:17:28]
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:23 pm

Love the expansion by TK! I just wonder if such a rapid and aggressive expansion is sustainable from both an infrastructure and profitability perspective.
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:28 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 38):
Love the expansion by TK! I just wonder if such a rapid and aggressive expansion is sustainable from both an infrastructure and profitability perspective.

If the destinations are chosen carefully, I don't think it impacts profitability negatively in the long run; maybe until loads pick up they might drag the company down but eventually they will bring profits. Infrastructure aspect is totally different though. IST is congested and no immediate plans to relieve it so far. Only distant talk of a 3rd airport.
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:32 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 39):
Infrastructure aspect is totally different though. IST is congested and no immediate plans to relieve it so far. Only distant talk of a 3rd airport.

That's too bad. IST needs a world-class hub facility since TK has finally realized that they hold an incredibly strategic location for connecting traffic!
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Seeing Turkish Airlines adding all these new destinations to their network, I always have to think of one of my very senior KLM crew members after landing in Capetown. Our plane was parked next to Turkish Airlines plane and this senior crew member was surprized seeing a Turkish plane in Cape Town and said in a loud way "what is TK doing here?" after i said that they were serving many more destinations, he replied "İ thought TK was only flying to amsterdam and Frankfurt" .
Is this stupidity or western arrogancy?
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:31 pm

Quoting KLM747800THY (Reply 41):
Is this stupidity or western arrogancy?

That is strange coming from a senior KLM crew member.
I am sure it is only an isolated situation and not a KLM or a Western thing.
 
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RE: Turkish Announces Yet Another 6 Destinations

Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:16 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 12):
Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-EDI
definately a field where the gulf carriers are still not existing. advantage here: they can serve it with narrowbodies whereas EK/QR/EY and the like have to use their widebodies

QR could serve EDI with narrow-bodies. It opened up new routes to Germany and Scandinavia with narrowbodies and, once established, upgraded these services to larger planes.

Starting flights to Kinshasa will enable TK to tap the growing market for travel between mainland China and Africa which the Gulf carriers have exploited so well. Until now I believe that no Gulf carriers are serving Kinshasa.