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Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:51 pm

Wow, its from Dec 14, but couldnt find it here.

So there is finally some movement from the side of REKKOF, or NG Aviation.


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Impressed by the opportunities offered by the growing demand for air transport in Brazil, Dutch aeronautical company Rekkof is set to build a major plant in Anápolis, Goiás, to develop their new Fokker 100 airliner.

Rekkof’s presence in Anápolis will generate around 2,000 jobs, and its reputation as an aviation pioneer will attract workers from all over Goiás.

http://www.worldfolio.co.uk/reports/...f-rekkof-industrial-do-brazil-n821
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:58 pm

Is the F100 really that successful ? (honest question, I didn't think it was.) If so, who do you think would order it? I know many US airlines have a 100 seat gap...
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:03 pm

Hi,

I didn´t even have to read the story to state that Rekkof or whatever aeronautical startup company can only start throwing money at facilities if and only if it has serious expectations of generating income. Sales haven´t shown up for any new fokker 100 NG. So why bother?
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:06 pm

Old news, construction of the factory started mid november.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fiXwVrKbmE
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:07 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
If so, who do you think would order it? I know many US airlines have a 100 seat gap...

At one time, there were numerous F100's in the US. It was right at the time the RJ really took off, and the cost of running a 100 seat Fokker with the mainline versus a 50 seat RJ with a lower cost regional made the F100 go away in a hurry.

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:24 pm

The site looks to be a little chaotic. I'm not sure I would want my company represented by that type of footage. None the less there is some fairly serious equipment, so all systems must be go!
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:33 pm

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 2):
Sales haven´t shown up for any new fokker 100 NG. So why bother?

How do you know if they have serious commitments or not? A lot of airlines have shown interest, incl KLM, and who knows what deals have been made behind the scene.
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:20 pm

Fokker 100 is about 8,000 lbs. lighter(with 10,000 lbs. less MTOW) and about 2 feet shorter than the current E-190. I don't have any numbers on the NG version of F100, but one would expect it to keep the nearly 13% weight advantage relative to E190NEO. However, the CRJ-1000 is lighter than Fokker 100 by about 3,000 lbs.

It is a crowded market without a clear niche and competitive advantage for F100NG.
 
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:36 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
It is a crowded market without a clear niche and competitive advantage for F100NG.

As a passenger I would certainly take an F70/100, NG or no NG, over a CRJ.
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:40 pm

Wow I thought resurrecting MX was one of the bigger lost causes out there; I was wrong. By a long shot.
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:59 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
It is a crowded market without a clear niche and competitive advantage for F100NG.

...re-engined with a PW GTF it would go like a rocket and only sip fuel, no?
Not sure if the heavier engine/thrust would be ideal for that a/c size though...
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:07 am

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the Fokker 100 have a bad reputation in Brazil with the problems TAM had many years ago? I once read this in Flap magazine that TAM was in a big hurry to get rid of them and replace them with A319/20's

It was a number of years back, but it stuck with me that the general population of Brazil had come to believe that the F100 was bad. (not my opinion - just what I read)

The F100's that I see for Avianca, are they ex TAM?
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:10 am

I don't know if it has something to do with this but UnB (University of Brasilia) just started a new graduation course for aeronautical engineering, and Anapolis is not far from Brasilia.
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:40 am

The Boeing 717 performs the same mission as the original F-100. Yet, there is very little demand for it around the world. How can anyone think that pouring millions into selling an "improved" 29 year-old design is a great idea?

Improved engines, leading edge slats and LESS underfloor cargo capacity than the MD-95 (B-717-200) gets you what? Most likely, limited sales and a major financial loss.
That said, they do build very nice aircraft in Brazil and in theory, COULD POSSIBLY improve on the F-100's operating numbers, versus the 717. The Boeing does have an OEW almost 16,000 heavier than the original F-100.

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:51 am

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 13):
The Boeing 717 performs the same mission as the original F-100. Yet, there is very little demand for it around the world. How can anyone think that pouring millions into selling an "improved" 29 year-old design is a great idea?

Improved engines, leading edge slats and LESS underfloor cargo capacity than the MD-95 (B-717-200) gets you what? Most likely, limited sales and a major financial loss.
That said, they do build very nice aircraft in Brazil and in theory, COULD POSSIBLY improve on the F-100's operating numbers, versus the 717. The Boeing does have an OEW almost 16,000 heavier than the original F-100.

Your last sentence mentions it all. The B717-200 has an OEW of 69.380 lbs, the Fokker 100 one of 53.740 lbs. That's a good portion lighter.

By the way, it isn't the idea to built the plane in Brazil. Just components will be built in Brazil. Final assembly is still planned to be done in The Netherlands.

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:23 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 14):
By the way, it isn't the idea to built the plane in Brazil. Just components will be built in Brazil. Final assembly is still planned to be done in The Netherlands.

Has the site in NL been decided yet? Will it be at Airport Twente?
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:28 am

Is there really a business case for a this Fokker 100 NG? I mean, the aircraft would compete with the Embraer 190, CRJ900/1000 (and Cseries as well?), all in proven service. Ordering a Fokker 100 NG would be taking a big leap of faith for any airline. And with most European airlines having retired or retiring their existing Fokker fleet, it's not as if there is a commoniality thing. Genuine question: what would be the USP's for the Fokker compared to the existing competition?
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:44 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 15):
Has the site in NL been decided yet? Will it be at Airport Twente?

No, Twente is not in the race. This airport will remain closed. As far as I know, Lelystad is the favorite location.

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Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:50 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 17):
As far as I know, Lelystad is the favorite location.

I think there will be a big building unoccupied soon....   
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:07 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 18):
I think there will be a big building unoccupied soon....

Yes, Rekkof can probably get a good deal...   Now what to do with all that old junk inside those buildings...   

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:56 am

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 13):
The Boeing 717 performs the same mission as the original F-100. Yet, there is very little demand for it around the world.

Well, it is obvious that Boeing did not support the 717 the way they should (from a market perspective). The fact that at a certain point the orderbook did not receive additional orders is no testament per se for lack of sufficient demand.
(If you have the B 736 in production you don´t want to have another frame competing in house ...)

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 13):
Improved engines, leading edge slats and LESS underfloor cargo capacity than the MD-95 (B-717-200) gets you what?

Less fuel burn in this case. A roughly 8000lb lighter airframe is a significant advantage !
And less underfloor cargo capacity is not such a great disadvantage as this type of a/c is rather used for passenger feeder services than the transport of cargo.
And the F100 cargo hold is sufficient for the passengers luggage.
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:09 am

So after all those years the F100 supplier base is still alive? think someone is collecting investor money on a pipe dream here.
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:47 am

Always surprises me the most negative people about new planes or airlines are aviation enthusiasts. Before anything is given a try its written off as a no go because they are so well clued in on Aviation from reading ANET. Huge money and alot of planning go into these kinds of things by people far more in the know then most of us, The benefits of the new Fokker were mentioned above by a few people but just completely ignored in favour of assumptions. Even if they flop and only build 100 planes we will have 100 different aircraft in the sky to look at other then the A320 or B737.

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:32 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
However, the CRJ-1000 is lighter than Fokker 100 by about 3,000 lbs.

This is true, but with a newer generation engine this weight difference will probably be outweighted by a more efficient engine. Of course BBD could re-engine the CRJ, but as of now the F100NG seems to have the optimum platform.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 22):
Always surprises me the most negative people about new planes or airlines are aviation enthusiasts.

   There are a lot of people here that lacks magic and dreaming. From an enthusiast point of view we should welcome any new ideas. Of course we also have some very good engineers here that keeps things in perspective, but still some seems to get RR on here for simply being negative about a certain topic.

On to the topic, my favorite airplane is the DC-9, and especially the -21. It did not enjoy good sales, or a low cost base. But a captain once showed me why it was called the "Sports nine" among pilots. It was my best ride and Take-off ever. So I welcome a new try with rear mounted engines and a t-tail, and the F100 looks like a European DC-9 and I like it. It has nothing to do with sciense ot economic of scale. It has about really loving airplanes. Rekkof or NGaircraft has now tilted the stubwing for the engines 15 degrees making it look a bit like the CRJ engine placement on the fuselage.

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 11):
The F100's that I see for Avianca, are they ex TAM?

Nop, all are ex-AA. AV has been replacing them with ex-MX 318s, and sending some to Oceanair in Brazil. Last november I saw 10 of the F100s stored a in CLO.
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:37 pm

I don't understand the fuss around here, told you guys months ago about the parts factory in Brazil and for years that the F100ng will see the light of day whether some guys around here like it or not.
Money for phase 1 is in place and phase 2 nearly home, right now in the Netherlands a scedule is made for the proto conversion(PH-MKH) which will take place first quarter 2012.
The redesign is completely finished.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 21):
So after all those years the F100 supplier base is still alive?

It has never been away, not even for a minute !
http://www.fokker.com/
They have kept me eating for the last 31 years and I think they continue to do so for the next 17.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
Last november I saw 10 of the F100s stored a in CLO.

On their way to Australia where they are very happy with the F100's and since recent with the F70's as well.


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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:40 pm

So, who will be the first customer for the F100NG? I guess OS will show some interest once the plane is offered, given there sizeable aging fleet of F-100 needing replacement.
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:50 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 21):
So after all those years the F100 supplier base is still alive? think someone is collecting investor money on a pipe dream here.

That's what I'm thinking. I hope that I'll be proven wrong, since through Dutch taxes I'm one of the investors.
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting aviopic (Reply 25):
I don't understand the fuss around here, told you guys months ago about the parts factory in Brazil and for years that the F100ng will see the light of day

So when do you think we will see this NG flying?
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:48 pm

I didn't mean to be negative per se, but to ask a honest question how Rekkof wants to differentaite themsevelves from the proven competition. Can anyone share some insight?
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 23):
From an enthusiast point of view we should welcome any new ideas.

Prepare to be bored with questions about technical feasibility and economical viability for the rest of your professional life.

Quoting aviopic (Reply 25):
Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 21):
So after all those years the F100 supplier base is still alive?

It has never been away, not even for a minute !

Spare parts, yes. But what about the rest? Structures tooling preserved? Or is the F100NG planned to be conversion business?

Quoting aviopic (Reply 25):
Money for phase 1 is in place and phase 2 nearly home, right now in the Netherlands a scedule is made for the proto conversion(PH-MKH) which will take place first quarter 2012.

What is phase 2? How much upfront investment is needed to get series production going? Who's going to provide that risk capital?
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:03 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 23):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7): However, the CRJ-1000 is lighter than Fokker 100 by about 3,000 lbs.
This is true, but with a newer generation engine this weight difference will probably be outweighted by a more efficient engine. Of course BBD could re-engine the CRJ, but as of now the F100NG seems to have the optimum platform.

From your link, it seems that F100NG will be nearly 6,500 lbs. heavier than CRJ-1000. The link also suggests 16% lower fuel burn which is nice given that NG will be heavier by 3,500 lbs than the current F100.

SSJ-100(5-abreast) is 1,500 lbs. lighter than F100(NG), and about 3 feet shorter but with a 7" wider cabin.
 
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:10 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 30):
Spare parts, yes. But what about the rest? Structures tooling preserved? Or is the F100NG planned to be conversion business?

From what I remember all tooling was preserved except for the tools required to build the wings. After Fokker went bankrupt Bombardier (the owner of Shorts Bros, who made the wings) wasted no time to get rid of them.
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 32):
After Fokker went bankrupt Bombardier (the owner of Shorts Bros, who made the wings) wasted no time to get rid of them

... and since the wings on the NG are the only major part that´s a completely new design that should not really be of an issue.
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:22 pm

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 22):
Always surprises me the most negative people about new planes or airlines are aviation enthusiasts. Before anything is given a try its written off as a no go because they are so well clued in on Aviation from reading ANET.

Me too - I personally want to see as many different kinds of planes and as many different airlines as possible. And this new version of the F100 sounds great and I'm hoping they can pull it off.
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:30 pm

I would be proud to fly on another Dutch airplane, but I am very very skeptic about this one..

Quoting kl911 (Thread starter):
its reputation as an aviation pioneer will attract workers from all over Goiás.

FOKKER was an aviation pioneer, REKKOF still have to prove themselves!

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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:37 pm

Is there a true order for this plane???
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 28):
So when do you think we will see this NG flying?

The proto around the end of 2012.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 30):
Spare parts, yes. But what about the rest? Structures tooling preserved? Or is the F100NG planned to be conversion business?

Engineering(NL - Romania), Customer support(NL - USA - Singapore), aircraft mx(NL - Singapore), Component mx(NL - USA - Singapore in a few months)), Wiring plant(NL - Turkey - China), Composite plant(NL - just one extra opend in Mexico).
All calibers were aquired by Rekkof in 1996.
At this moment a conversion kit is not thought of but might be an option for the future.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 30):
What is phase 2? How much upfront investment is needed to get series production going? Who's going to provide that risk capital?

About 800 mil eu, you'll know soon enough.

Quoting MHG (Reply 33):
and since the wings on the NG are the only major part that´s a completely new design that should not really be of an issue.

No, they will be changed but not completely new.
The clean relative thick wing design with no slats is one of the key figures for low weight.
Thinner means heavier and slats are point less on a a/c design which is meant for 1 to 2 hour flights which is true for winglets just as well but heeee........... according a KL spokesman they look modern eventhough it burns more fuel.

Quoting lollomz (Reply 36):
Is there a true order for this plane???

The question is a misunderstanding.
Even Boeing or Airbus won't start a new design without a proper market investigation.
If the F100NG will be build it will always be because the market asked for it and never the other way around.
A company like NG Aircraft can't raise nearly a billion for just a gamble.
It doesn't work that way, usually investors want their money back.......... with profit.
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:45 pm

I think (and have always thought) that the F100 has great potential as a business jet. Install an extra fuel tank to give the airplane inercontinental range, and the F100 can very well compete with the A319 CJ or the 737-700 BBJ.

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Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:21 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 38):
business jet

This is not about a BBJ, although I am sure if someone asks for it...........
The modification is available anyway(see below).

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 38):
Install an extra fuel tank

Several a/c are already flying with an AFT in the forward cargo bay.

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Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:57 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 38):
I think (and have always thought) that the F100 has great potential as a business jet. Install an extra fuel tank to give the airplane inercontinental range, and the F100 can very well compete with the A319 CJ or the 737-700 BBJ.

I'm not sure, but may be the crappy aircon-system on the so-called Dutch Oven made the Fokker jets less appealing for private and luxurious transport?
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Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting aviopic (Reply 39):
This is not about a BBJ, although I am sure if someone asks for it..

F70/F100 is slow and cannot climb above controlled airspace. Big stiff wing doesn't provide good ride comfort. Cockpit and FMS is 20th Century. BBJ owners probably don't like that.
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:04 pm

As much as I'd love to see brand new F-100s grazing the skies, I can't hide my skepticism...

There already are very efficient competitors to the F-100 out there, some of which are built not far from where that plant is being built, and some other being developed by much more resilient companies. It's a really tough market.

Even if they manage to offer competitive prices on it, it would be hard to beat the Chinese proposition.

I wish them luck though, I'm a sucker for underdogs.
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:07 am

Quoting aviopic (Reply 37):
Quoting Hooverman (Reply 28):
So when do you think we will see this NG flying?

The proto around the end of 2012.

That is really soon.I hope it works. Fokker standing up from it's grave would be a real stunt!
 
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:10 am

Well the aircraft must still be good, there are still many operators in Australia with F100's and are trying to gain more, i know QF have just sourced 10 F100's for our charter airline, Network Aviation.....
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:01 am

I don't know where this fanasic fuel burn in comparison to the CRJ-1000, or anything else, is going to come from. The cF-38 is still a very efficient engine and is well proven in the RJ market. Last I heard, the Rekkof will be using the RR725, which is being touted as a long range biz jet engine, not the stop and go of regional, short range flying. Since it's optimized for high altitude cruise, it will no doubt be somewhat compromised in a high cycle envvironment.

As well, it won't have any weight advantage and by the time the Rekkof is available, GE will have their next gen engine available, which may end up on the E_jet NG or the CRJ, if they decide on one more upgrade.

Maybe it'll work but I havent seen anything that puts it anything more than in the middle of the pack performance wise...in a very crouded market segment.

Dunno, but it sounds like a make work project to me. Lotsa luck.
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:32 am

While I really wish the Fokker 100 NG family to take off and succeed, since I remeber many good flights on Fokker 28. Fokker 70 and Fokker 100, and prefer it to regional jets a lot, my instant reaction was "So REKKOF finally ran out of NL and EU subsidies and now is trying to get some elsewhere". There is too little progress in too much time on it.

To really see new F100NG built would be one of the most wonderful miracles that can happen in aviation.
 
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:51 pm

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 40):
the crappy aircon-system on the so-called Dutch Oven

Yup.......... and the Aussies love crappy aircons !  
Quoting francoflier (Reply 42):
it would be hard to beat the Chinese proposition.

The Chinees are seeking help............... from Fokker.
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...s/news/fokker-inks-deal-comac-0515

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 43):
Fokker standing up from it's grave would be a real stunt!

Current Fokker is doing great, thank you.
http://www.fokkerservices.com/Downlo...ervices_Corporate_Presentation.pdf
http://www.fokkerservices.com/Boomin...ker-aircraft-in-first-half-of-2011
http://www.fokkerservices.com/Downlo...kker_Services_Brochure_Oct2011.pdf
But has nothing to do with the possible fabrication of new aircraft apart from components as is the case for Airbus, Boeing and the lot.
Fokker did some of the redesign(as did several others) and will take care of aftersales(all support the current fleets gets).
NG Aircraft will be responsible for the fabrication of the possible NG, probably using some components from the Rekkof facility in Brasil.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 46):
my instant reaction was "So REKKOF finally ran out of NL and EU subsidies and now is trying to get some elsewhere".

Rekkof didn't get any Dutch or EU money, only a 20 mi LOAN which if you need 800 mi is of course nothing more than a drop of water on a steaming hot plate.


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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting aviopic (Reply 47):
The Chinees are seeking help............... from Fokker.

Interesting irony.

Still, the Chinese have the dough to subcontract from high tech companies like Fokker Technologies in Europe or elsewhere. For all the historic and possibly affective ties between Fokker and Rekkof, the latter is never going to get any help from the former in making the F100 fly again...
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RE: Rekkof To Build A Major F100NG Plant In Brazil

Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting aviopic (Reply 47):
Yup.......... and the Aussies love crappy aircons !

Why the sarcasm? You seem to be very enthousiastic about Fokker and it's products, but that the Fokker has an inferior airconditioning system is widely known, and it's an often heard complaint from Fokker-pilots..
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