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Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:38 pm

When it comes to pivot bins, Boeing always seems to lead the way, however, Airbus made them an option on the A380 and I believe they will be standard on the A350.

So, does anyone think Airbus will offer a pivot bin option for the A320neo to compete with the Boeing Sky Interior? After all, the primary advantage of them is that they have greater capacity wasting less cabin space, due to the fact they use the empty space above the cabin. This gives the cabin a more spacious appearance while increasing overhead capacity at the same time.
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:27 pm

Not to go too much off topic, but I am wondering how these "pivot" bins are holding up on the Sky Interior 737's. Having them on a 777 is a different animal than a 737 just based on the mission of the aircraft alone. The 777 goes a long distance with only a few cycles a day, so the bins aren't going to opened/closed nearly as much as a 737 which can be up and down all day long, doing multiple cycles and turns, meaning the bins are going to be opened/closed many more times a day. I'm not familiar with the design of these bins, but I am guessing the workings are bit more complex than the standard overhead bins. Additional complexity + a lot of use (can) = increased maintenance costs. Anyone in the technical field at a "Sky Interior" 737 operator that can provide a little reliability information...maybe a pic of the mechanism that allow it to pivot like the ones in a 777?
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):

Not to go too much off topic, but I am wondering how these "pivot" bins are holding up on the Sky Interior 737's.

Keeping in mind that the sky interior has only just been introduced, while 777s have been flying for close to 17 years, it may still be a while before the first sky interiors begin to overtake the triples' bins in overall cycles usage. I'd guess it will be at least another three to five years before we know much about that.
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:47 pm

I would imagine Boeing took into account the greater cycles of the 737 and improved durability.
 
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 2):
Keeping in mind that the sky interior has only just been introduced, while 777s have been flying for close to 17 years, it may still be a while before the first sky interiors begin to overtake the triples' bins in overall cycles usage. I'd guess it will be at least another three to five years before we know much about that.


Even on the 777, I would also think that the latches, hinges, etc all relatively low stress parts and are designed for infinite fatigue life. The design conditions for withstanding turbulence and other accelerations is probably way more severe than the normal open-close cycle.

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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 2):
Keeping in mind that the sky interior has only just been introduced, while 777s have been flying for close to 17 years, it may still be a while before the first sky interiors begin to overtake the triples' bins in overall cycles usage. I'd guess it will be at least another three to five years before we know much about that.

  

Oh, of course! I was just kind of putting my feelers out there for how they are holding up so far. Based on use over the short period of time, there can be trends developing already with minor issues being experienced leading to OEM SB's (which this may be a little pre-mature for) getting incorporated for minor hardware or design changes...it happens. Was just wondering before I say "A320NEO should have them" or "NO!!! Don't install them!!" LOL!
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:01 pm

I really hope they have pivot bins in all new planes, not just the 320neo.

It's by far the easiest to open/close (even when filled with bags) and won't worry much about items shifting and falling out when you open the bin.

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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:18 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6):
I really hope they have pivot bins in all new planes, not just the 320neo.

I agree.

Also, it looks like the Bombardier CSeries is doing it as well:
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
Also, it looks like the Bombardier CSeries is doing it as well:

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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:03 am

It looks like the Comac C919 is doing it too:


Airbus shouldn't be the only one left who isn't using pivot bins on their new narrowbodies.
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:23 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I would imagine Boeing took into account the greater cycles of the 737 and improved durability.

It may not even be that large of a difference. Certainly 737s see more cycles, but on shorter flights people are much more likely to stow their stuff and keep it there. Longer flights make it that more likely that the bins are opened and closed several times in flight.
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:52 am

Is there a weight penalty for pivot bins? Or did they manage to add all the extras at same weight as the old?
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:56 am

Quoting cmf (Reply 11):
Is there a weight penalty for pivot bins? Or did they manage to add all the extras at same weight as the old?

I don't know about the bins specifically, but I believe that the new Sky Interior is said to be weight neutral.
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 4):
Even on the 777, I would also think that the latches, hinges, etc all relatively low stress parts and are designed for infinite fatigue life. The design conditions for withstanding turbulence and other accelerations is probably way more severe than the normal open-close cycle.

I was on a BA 777 a year or so ago where a couple of bins near where I was sitting were unserviceable and couldn't be opened.
 
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:17 am

Im thinking an A350 inspired cabin would be a good idea for the first Neo, new cabin for passengers new engines for the airlines, everybody's happy
 
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:45 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
I was on a BA 777 a year or so ago where a couple of bins near where I was sitting were unserviceable and couldn't be opened.

I've noticed this too, but also remember that a lot of BA's 777s (the GE powered ones) are some of the oldest in service and are at least 15 years old now. For 15 years, the 777s arn't in that much of a bad state to be honest! Compare them to the 10 year old BD A330-200 (I'm comparing the same route LHR-RUH here) and the BA 777s look brand new!

I think that these pivot bins are a fantastic idea. It increases headroom for taller people like me, it means people aren't fighting over bin space so much as they have plenty of room and it means faster boarding too because people can just stick the bag in without much fuss. Having said that, the current "Enhanced" Airbus interior on all new build A320s and A330s isn't bad for bin space, but pivot bins would make it much better. Now if only Airbus got rid of those bright bluey/white LED bulbs for the personal reading lights and replaced them with warm white ones... I hope they do that!
 
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RE: Will Airbus Introduce Pivot Bins To A320neo?

Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:06 pm

Quoting planejamie (Reply 15):
Now if only Airbus got rid of those bright bluey/white LED bulbs for the personal reading lights and replaced them with warm white ones... I hope they do that!

I'm wondering just how badly located the personal reading lights and gasper vents are for aisle seats on aircraft equipped with the new pivot bins. Are all three of the lights and vents on each row bunched up over the window seat, or have Boeing and other manufacturers found a way around this potential problem?
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