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OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:10 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It

does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports

to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one

direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average

the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the

case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated

5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That

avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into

the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all

flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month

window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was

no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against

another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed,

but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Sorry for the late report...Holidays and all...expect next week to have few changes based on the last

few years.

9K AUG-BOS JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3

AA DFW-ABQ FEB 9>8 MAR 8>7
*AA DFW-AGS FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
AA DFW-AMA FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5
AA DFW-ATL MAR 12>11
AA DFW-CLT FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5
*AA DFW-DSM FEB 7>6 MAR 6>5 APR 6>8 MAY 6>8 JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8
AA DFW-ELP FEB 9>8 MAR 8>7
AA DFW-HOU MAR 8>7
AA DFW-LAS FEB 12>11
*AA DFW-LIT FEB 8>5 MAR 7>5 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9 AUG 7>9
AA DFW-MCO MAR 11>12
AA DFW-RNO MAR 3>2
AA DFW-SCL FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0
AA DFW-SFO MAR 11>10
AA DFW-SHV FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
*AA JFK-LAS FEB 3>1.3 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*AA LAX-SJU FEB 0.2>0 MAR 0.3>0
AA MIA-BWI FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
AA MIA-CUN FEB 6>5 MAR 5>4
AA MIA-JFK FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6
*AA MIA-RSW FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*AA MIA-SAV FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*AA MIA-VLN FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
AA ORD-BNA APR 8>10 MAY 8>10 JUN 8>10 JUL 8>10 AUG 8>10
AA ORD-CLE MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
AA ORD-DFW FEB 19>17 MAR 19>17
AA ORD-PBI MAR 2>3
AA ORD-RDU FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
AA ORD-RSW FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA ORD-SEA MAR 4>3
AA ORD-SJC FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
*AA ORD-TRI FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.6>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0
AA ORD-YYC FEB 0.3>0

AF IAD-CDG FEB 1.6>1.5
AF IAH-CDG FEB 1.0>0.8
AF JFK-CDG FEB 5>4
AF LAX-CDG FEB 3>2

AM FAT-GDL FEB 1.0>0.3
*AM JFK-MEX APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
AM LAS-MEX FEB 3>2.0
AM MIA-MEX FEB 5>4
AM ONT-GDL FEB 0.9>0.6
AM SMF-GDL FEB 1.0>0.8

AZ EWR-FCO MAR 0.5>0.3

BA JFK-LCY JUN 1.5>1.4

BR SFO-TPE JUL 1.7>1.5 AUG 1.7>1.6

CA JFK-PEK FEB 0.7>1.0 MAR 0.8>1.0
CA SFO-PEK FEB 0.8>1.0

CO CLE-BTV MAR 1.0>0.6
CO CLE-CUN MAR 0.8>1.0
CO CLE-LGA MAR 7>8
CO CLE-MIA AUG 0.7>0.3
CO CLE-MSY AUG 0.7>0.4
CO EWR-ANU JUL 0.4>0.5 AUG 0.4>0.6
CO EWR-ATL MAR 7>6
CO EWR-AUA JUL 1.3>1.4
*CO EWR-BQN JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.3>0.9
CO EWR-CLT MAR 6>4
CO EWR-CMH MAR 6>4
CO EWR-CUN AUG 3>1.6
CO EWR-DFW MAR 5>4
CO EWR-DTW MAR 6>4
CO EWR-GCM AUG 0.3>0.1
CO EWR-IND MAR 6>3
CO EWR-LIM AUG 1.0>0.9
*CO EWR-MBJ JUL 0.3>1.0 AUG 0.3>0.9
CO EWR-MSP MAR 6>3
CO EWR-MSY MAR 3>1.1
CO EWR-NAS JUL 2>1.1 AUG 2>0.9
*CO EWR-PAP JUL 0.4>1.0 AUG 0.4>0.9
CO EWR-PIT MAR 7>5
*CO EWR-PLS JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>0.9
CO EWR-POP JUL 1.0>0.9 AUG 1.0>0.5
*CO EWR-POS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.2>0.9
CO EWR-PTY JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3
CO EWR-PUJ AUG 2>1.7
CO EWR-PVR AUG 0.3>0.1
CO EWR-RDU MAR 7>6
CO EWR-RSW AUG 2>1.4
CO EWR-SJO AUG 2>1.9
*CO EWR-SNN JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.6
CO EWR-STL MAR 6>4 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
CO EWR-STT AUG 0.6>0.3
CO EWR-TYS AUG 1.7>1.3
CO EWR-YHZ MAR 4>3
CO EWR-YQM MAR 1.8>1.9
CO EWR-YUL MAR 5>3
CO EWR-YVR AUG 1.0>0.9
CO EWR-YYT MAR 0>0.9
CO GUM-OKA JAN 0.5>0.4
CO IAD-CLE MAR 4>0
CO IAD-EWR MAR 6>5
CO IAH-ABQ MAR 5>1.7
CO IAH-ACA JUL 0.7>1.0
CO IAH-ATL MAR 8>6
CO IAH-AUS MAR 10>8
CO IAH-BTR AUG 10>9
CO IAH-BZE AUG 3>2.0
CO IAH-CMH MAR 5>4
CO IAH-COS MAR 4>3
CO IAH-CUN AUG 7>5
CO IAH-CZM AUG 1.5>0.8
CO IAH-DAL MAR 6>5
CO IAH-DEN MAR 9>8
CO IAH-DGO JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.4
CO IAH-DTW MAR 5>4
CO IAH-ELP MAR 6>3
CO IAH-GCM AUG 1.0>0.5
CO IAH-GUA AUG 4>3
CO IAH-IAD MAR 5>3
CO IAH-LFT AUG 10>9
CO IAH-LIR AUG 3>0.9
CO IAH-MBJ AUG 1.0>0.5
CO IAH-MCI MAR 9>8
CO IAH-MCO AUG 7>6
CO IAH-MEX MAR 9>8
CO IAH-MGA MAR 1.7>1.9 AUG 2>1.4
CO IAH-MID JUL 0.7>1.0
CO IAH-MKE MAR 4>3
CO IAH-MSP MAR 6>5
CO IAH-MZT AUG 1.0>0.6
CO IAH-NAS AUG 1.0>0.4
CO IAH-OMA MAR 6>3
CO IAH-PVR MAR 3>1.9 AUG 2>1.2
CO IAH-RDU MAR 5>3
CO IAH-RTB AUG 0.8>0.5
CO IAH-SAN AUG 8>7
CO IAH-SJD AUG 4>3
CO IAH-SJO AUG 4>3
CO IAH-SJU AUG 1.2>1.0
CO IAH-TAM JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.1
CO IAH-TUS MAR 5>1.9
CO IAH-VSA JUL 1.0>1.1
CO IAH-YEG MAR 1.8>2.0 AUG 1.0>1.1
CO IAH-YYZ MAR 4>1.9
CO IAH-ZIH AUG 0.7>0.5
CO LAX-HNL MAR 1.9>3
CO LAX-IAH MAR 10>11
CO LGA-AUA JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1
CO ORD-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9
CO ORD-CLE MAR 10>5
CO ORD-EWR MAR 8>7
CO ORD-IAH MAR 11>10
CO ORD-YVR MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.9
CO SFO-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9
CO SFO-GDL FEB 1.0>0.5
CO SFO-HNL MAR 1.0>1.2
CO SNA-HNL AUG 1.0>0.9

DL ATL-DEN MAY 8>7 JUN 9>8 JUL 9>8 AUG 9>8
DL ATL-ECP MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-MCI MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7
*DL ATL-PAP APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1
DL ATL-VCE MAY 0>0.2
Is F9 still flying this? It was added after F9 added MCI-MSP.
*DL AUS-MCI FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
DL BOS-MCI APR 0.9>1.6 MAY 0.9>1.9 JUN 0.8>1.8 JUL 0.9>1.9 AUG 0.9>1.9
DL DCA-ATL MAY 16>15 JUN 16>15 JUL 16>15
DL DCA-BDL APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>0.5 AUG 3>0
As predicted, they actually added frequency in last week's load. Weird
**DL DCA-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 7>0 MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0 AUG 7>0
DL DCA-CHS APR 1.9>0.8 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.3 AUG 1.9>0
*DL DCA-CMH APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0
*DL DCA-DSM JUL 0.9>0.3 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-GRR JUL 0.9>0.3 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-IND JUL 3>0.8 AUG 3>0
*DL DCA-JAN MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-MSN FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-MSY FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*DL DCA-PVD APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0
Earlier start...not many of those lately on Atlantic
*DL DTW-FCO MAY 0>0.3
DL DTW-ORF MAR 6>5
DL DTW-PBI AUG 1.0>0.4
DL DTW-SAV APR 1.6>0.9 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
DL DVL-JMS JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
DL DVL-MSP JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
DL FSD-MSP AUG 8>6
DL HNL-FUK AUG 0.7>1.0
DL HNL-KIX AUG 1.3>2
*DL JFK-ALB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
Another earlier start
*DL JFK-ARN MAY 0>0.3
*DL JFK-BTV APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0
*DL JFK-FCO JUN 1.4>1.7 JUL 1.4>2
*DL JFK-LWB FEB 1.0>0.5 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
Both AM and DL added a flight?
*DL JFK-MEX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
How long did this last? I bet the yield resulted in a 500% breakeven LF
**DL LAX-DEN JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0
DL LAX-SFO FEB 9>8
DL LGA-BOS APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13 AUG 12>13
DL LGA-GRR MAR 0.8>0.2
Another of the F9 retaliation routes drops
*DL MCI-MSY FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
DL MSP-YVR
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:10 pm

HA HNL-ITO FEB 15>16 MAR 14>15
HA HNL-LIH FEB 20>21 MAR 18>19
HA HNL-OGG FEB 26>27 MAR 24>25
HA ITO-HNL FEB 15>16 MAR 14>15
HA LIH-HNL FEB 19>20 MAR 17>18
HA OGG-HNL FEB 27>28 MAR 25>26

IB MIA-BCN JAN 0.4>0.2

K5 DAL-ELD APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7
K5 DAL-HOT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
K5 ELD-HOT APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
K5 ELD-MEM APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>0.9
K5 HOT-HRO APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
K5 HOT-MEM APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
K5 HRO-MCI APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7
K5 HRO-MEM APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7
K5 MCI-SLN APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
K5 OTH-PDX APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
K5 PDT-PDX APR 0>3 MAY 0>4

LH DTW-FRA FEB 1.0>0.9

MS JFK-CAI JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7

OZ SPN-KIX MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0>0.3

TA MIA-SAL FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.5>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.4>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0

*TB STX-CPH APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2

TS MCO-YUL JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3

UA CKB-MGW MAR 1.5>0.9 APR 1.6>0.8 MAY 1.6>0.9 JUN 1.6>0.9 JUL 1.5>0.8 AUG 1.6>0.9
UA DEN-CLE APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 0>0.9
UA DEN-PHX APR 4>5
UA IAD-CKB APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>1.7 JUN 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.7
UA IAD-CLE MAR 0.4>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4
UA IAD-EWR MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4
UA IAD-JST MAR 1.5>0.8
UA IAD-MHT MAR 1.9>1.0
UA IAD-PDX APR 0>1.0
UA IAD-YHZ JUN 0.8>0
UA IAD-YUL JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA IAH-DEN APR 0>1.0 MAY 3>4
UA IAH-IAD MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 1.0>3 MAY 2>4
UA LAX-HNL MAR 4>3
UA LAX-YVR MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.7>1.0
UA ORD-ATL APR 7>8
UA ORD-BOS MAR 7>8
UA ORD-CLE MAR 1.5>7 APR 1.0>7 MAY 1.0>7 JUN 6>7
UA ORD-EWR MAR 6>8 APR 8>10 MAY 6>8
UA ORD-IAH MAR 1.1>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
UA ORD-MSP MAR 11>10
UA ORD-PHL MAR 6>7
UA ORD-YEG MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
UA ORD-YOW JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA ORD-YQB MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.8>2
UA ORD-YUL APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA ORD-YVR MAR 1.8>3 MAY 4>3
UA ORD-YWG MAR 4>5
UA ORD-YXU MAR 1.6>1.8
UA ORD-YYC MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA ORD-YYZ MAR 6>7
UA OTH-PDX FEB 1.0>0.5 MAR 1.0>0
UA SFO-LAS MAR 8>7
UA SFO-LAX APR 12>13
UA SFO-SEA APR 4>5
UA SFO-YVR MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

This is a single change which is odd.
US PHX-SLC MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6

W2 EWR-KEF JAN 0.1>0

Earlier starts
WN HOU-MCI MAY 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU MAY 0>1.0

XL JFK-GYE FEB 1.0>0.9

Y4 FAT-GDL FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.5
Y4 LAS-GDL FEB 1.3>1.6 MAR 1.3>1.5 APR 1.3>1.4 MAY 1.3>1.4 JUN 1.3>1.4 JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.5
Y4 LAS-MEX FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.5 APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.4 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.5
Y4 LAX-AGU FEB 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.3>0.5 APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.5 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
Y4 LAX-MLM FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
Y4 LAX-ZCL FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4 JUL 0.7>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.4
Y4 MDW-GDL FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.5
Y4 MDW-MLM FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.5 APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
Y4 MDW-ZCL FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.2 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.1
Y4 OAK-GDL FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.5>1.0 JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.6>1.0 AUG 1.5>1.0
Y4 OAK-MEX FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.5 JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.5>0.4
Y4 SAN-GDL FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.5
Y4 SAN-MEX FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.6
Y4 SJC-GDL FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0 APR 1.5>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.5>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0

ZK HON-MCK FEB 0>0.8 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
ZK HON-PIR FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.7>1.0
ZK MSP-PIR FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-RDU FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-RDU MAR 7>6

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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AM FAT-GDL FEB 1.0>0.3
AM LAS-MEX FEB 3>2.0
AM MIA-MEX FEB 5>4
AM ONT-GDL FEB 0.9>0.6
AM SMF-GDL FEB 1.0>0.8

Me says, AeroMexico has not done too well with its recent US push. Also this week they announced they would drop Denver in late April. Guess that will be on your update next week.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL LAX-DEN JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0

ha ha. Something had to give in this market. Was not sure if it would be AA or DL.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:47 pm

As always appreciate the effort and depth of these reports. Very good asset to have on this forum.

It appears the last of the DL section may have been cut off?

Thanks for your research, much appreciated.

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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:49 pm

AZ EWR-FCO MAR 0.5>0.3

Uh oh... Not going in the right direction.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-YYC MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-YYC FEB 0.3>0

Looks like AA is kissing off Calgary while UA increases its market
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
IB MIA-BCN JAN 0.4>0.2

Oh oh. It looks like this flight is struggling, contrary to the prediction of runaway success made by several posters here...
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
It appears the last of the DL section may have been cut off?

Jeez, that a.net post line limit always screws things up.


DL SEA-KIX APR 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PEK JUN 1.0>0.9

These reductions were in the existing schedule frame.
F9 DEN-DTW MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2
F9 DEN-OKC MAY 3>1.5 JUN 3>1.6
F9 DEN-SMF MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.9
F9 MKE-PHL APR 1.2>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.9

F9 also did a scheduled extension till August. These changes are versus the prior year.
Looks like about 26 fewer flights from DEN if I count right. Since they haven't said anything publicly about shrinking DEN significantly, that seems to be a major shift. The MKE cut has been well-publicized.
F9 CLE-CUN MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4
F9 DEN-ABQ MAY 5>2 JUN 5>2 JUL 5>2
F9 DEN-ANC MAY 0.6>0.5
F9 DEN-ASE JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0
F9 DEN-AUS MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.9
F9 DEN-BNA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 DEN-BZN JUL 2>1.3
F9 DEN-DRO MAY 3>1.5 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.5
F9 DEN-DSM MAY 0.9>1.9
F9 DEN-DTW MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 DEN-FAI JUL 0.7>0.5
F9 DEN-FSD MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8
F9 DEN-GEG JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
F9 DEN-HOU MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.9
F9 DEN-LAS MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
F9 DEN-LAX JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
F9 DEN-LGA MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
F9 DEN-LIT MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9
F9 DEN-MSN JUL 1.9>0.9
F9 DEN-MSP JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
F9 DEN-OKC MAY 3>1.5 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.6
F9 DEN-OMA MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
F9 DEN-PDX JUL 6>5
F9 DEN-PHF JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 DEN-PVU MAY 0>1.0
F9 DEN-RSW MAY 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-SAN MAY 5>4 JUN 6>4 JUL 6>4
F9 DEN-SAT MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 2>0.8 JUL 2>0.9
F9 DEN-SBA MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.9>1.0 JUL 1.8>1.0
F9 DEN-SEA JUL 6>5
F9 DEN-SFO JUL 6>5
F9 DEN-SJO MAY 0.7>0.5 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5
F9 DEN-SLC JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
F9 DEN-SMF MAY 4>1.9 JUN 4>1.9 JUL 4>1.8
F9 IWD-RHI MAY 1.9>0.6 JUN 1.9>0 JUL 1.8>0
F9 LAX-OMA JUL 0.6>0.4
F9 MCI-BOS JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0
F9 MCI-DEN JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
F9 MCI-HOU MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
F9 MCI-LAS MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7
F9 MCI-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.7>0.7 JUL 1.8>0.7
F9 MCI-LGA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 MCI-MSY MAY 0.8>0.5
F9 MCI-SAT JUL 0.7>0
F9 MCI-SEA MAY 0.9>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.6
F9 MCI-SFO MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7
F9 MKE-BOS MAY 4>1.0 JUN 4>1.0 JUL 4>1.0
F9 MKE-CMH MAY 3>1.6 JUN 3>1.5 JUL 3>1.6
F9 MKE-DCA MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.9
F9 MKE-DEN MAY 6>4 JUN 6>4 JUL 6>4
F9 MKE-DFW MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
F9 MKE-FNT MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
F9 MKE-GRR MAY 4>1.7 JUN 4>1.7 JUL 4>1.7
F9 MKE-LGA MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
F9 MKE-MBL MAY 1.9>0.6 JUN 1.9>0 JUL 1.8>0
F9 MKE-MCI MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
F9 MKE-OMA MAY 4>1.7 JUN 4>1.7 JUL 4>1.7
F9 MKE-PHL MAY 3>0.9 JUN 3>0.8 JUL 3>0.9
F9 MKE-PIT MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0
F9 PHL-CUN MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.6
F9 STL-CUN MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>1.2 JUL 0>1.1
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:03 pm

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Dang! we aren't getting any love..

AA ahs been a grinch lately.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL LAX-DEN JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0

ha ha. Something had to give in this market. Was not sure if it would be AA or DL.

How long did they actually fly it? ...and I guess it funds LGA because otherwise why would you keep a dead route till June?

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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
How long did they actually fly it? ...and I guess it funds LGA because otherwise why would you keep a dead route till June?

I don't think it even started. It was going to start in June I believe.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK HON-MCK FEB 0>0.8 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
ZK HON-PIR FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.7>1.0
ZK MSP-PIR FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

I would have thought ZK would have served MSP-PIR with 1x day nonstop and 1x day via HON.

HON-MCK is one of the more unusual routes to receive air service, even by EAS standards. I wonder if even one passenger / year flies Huron-McCook.

Prior to deregulation, MCK was served by the original Frontier, as a stop on their "Nebraska milk run" that went Denver-McCook-Kearney-Hastings-Grand Island-Columbus-Omaha. HON was served by North Central, Sioux Falls-Mitchell-Huron-Pierre-Rapid City or Sioux Falls-Mitchell-Huron-Aberdeen-Bismarck-Minot
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:02 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
IB MIA-BCN JAN 0.4>0.2

Oh oh. It looks like this flight is struggling, contrary to the prediction of runaway success made by several posters here...

You're joking, right? Flight is doing fine. Great load-factors and average fares are good. This isn't even a serious reduction and it's for less than three weeks. Back to the normal schedule in February. Wouldn't be surprised if it was (lack of) equipment-related, especially with just one A340 in BCN.

[Edited 2011-12-30 11:07:35]
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL LAX-DEN JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0

I really can't fault any airline for starting new routes, but this one was just really ridiculous on the part of DL. This market is already over-saturated with UA, F9, WN and AA all having multiple flights daily on this route. I do think that if DL added maybe a flight or two to connect with flights at LAX, okay, but to start with four, and then take them all away.......   

I have to wonder what they were smoking up there in the DL route planning department that day this one was planned....
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Me says, AeroMexico has not done too well with its recent US push. Also this week they announced they would drop Denver in late April. Guess that will be on your update next week.

The service has always been seasonal (DEC 15 - APR 29). I imagine that they will restart next December.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AM FAT-GDL FEB 1.0>0.3
AM LAS-MEX FEB 3>2.0
AM MIA-MEX FEB 5>4
AM ONT-GDL FEB 0.9>0.6
AM SMF-GDL FEB 1.0>0.8

Me says, AeroMexico has not done too well with its recent US push. Also this week they announced they would drop Denver in late April. Guess that will be on your update next week.

Seasonality plays into this. As for FAT-GDL, the combined AM and Y4 traffic for November was the second highest since the service began, with just over 7,000 pax outbound on the two daily flights. First months of 2012 will be very light and once Easter hits, it's all on the upswing until the mid-August/mid-September slump begins.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-SEA MAR 4>3

Looks like AA is maintaining the February schedule: not operating the late morning ORD-SEA flight and the mid-afternoon SEA-ORD return.

Hopefully just a seasonal adjustment from AA. Perhaps AS could step in with a 4th daily SEA-ORD if this is permanent - with AA handling AS at ORD, connections are pretty easy.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL DCA-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 7>0 MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0 AUG 7>0

No more Delta Shuttle DCA-BOS after March??!
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:12 pm

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 16):
Hopefully just a seasonal adjustment from AA. Perhaps AS could step in with a 4th daily SEA-ORD if this is permanent - with AA handling AS at ORD, connections are pretty easy.

I could see an almost complete pull out of the NW by AA in the future. They have never been that strong here, they have pulled out of EUG & BOI, (granted small markets) PDX has been w/o an ORD non-stop for a while, the flights out here (with exception of some upgauged seasonal service) has been M80's and more recently 737's, with exception of the SEA-NRT flight, and the corresponding connecting flights to MIA, BOS, JFK & BNA from SEA, they have showed little love up here.

They twice dimantled a west coast carrier with only short lived route retention, They have struggled for market share from the NW. I expect they lost ground with ORD as UA mostly operated a larger aircraft, and had more frequencies.

AS has nicely filled the void with ORD flights from PDX & SEA, They already fly to DFW, why couldn't they eventually take over a large part the NW to ORD & DFW gateways flying for AA. I am not thinking AA would want to totally ignore an entire section of the USA, and that's what it's becoming lately, but who knows how deep they may have to cut to emerge BK healthier. Maybe a further understanding could take place between AS & AA.

Don't peg me as an AA hater, I've travelled more AA than almost any other carrier in flown miles, with possible exception of DL, and their service is quite satisfactory, F,J & Y, I'm just calling it as I've seen it, and I've been up here more on than off for 40 years now, so I remember when they first started flying the NW, flying back and forth to college was great when on a 727-100 PDX-EUG and would pay $20 o/w, for as long as that service lasted.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:40 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

DL DCA-ATL MAY 16>15 JUN 16>15 JUL 16>15
DL DCA-BDL APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>0.5 AUG 3>0
**DL DCA-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 7>0 MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0 AUG 7>0
DL DCA-CHS APR 1.9>0.8 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.3 AUG 1.9>0
*DL DCA-CMH APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0
*DL DCA-JAN MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-MSN FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*DL DCA-MSY FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*DL DCA-PVD APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0

I guess we now know what else DL has decided to cut in the first round of the slot transaction. Several weeks ago, they announced several Florida cuts (plus OMA and STL, IIRC) but that only amounted to 14 flights and they must cut 29 by the end of March. They have separately decided to end DCA-JAN, so there will actually be decrease of 30 flights.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This is a single change which is odd.
US PHX-SLC MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6

This is a result of the new agreement with OO. It will RON in SLC for maintenance.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

F9 DEN-LGA MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
F9 MCI-LGA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 MKE-LGA MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2

The new DEN addition YOY can account for the reduction in MCI YOY, but that still leaves two slot pairs unaccounted for and unused as a result of the MKE reductions. Anyone know what the deal might be with these?

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 17):
No more Delta Shuttle DCA-BOS after March??!

See above.

As a result of the slot transaction, DL must cut a total of 50 flights from DCA so most of the P2P routes they currently fly out of DCA will be discontinued by July. Also, DL never considered the DCA-BOS route as part of their Shuttle. DL Shuttle has always been LGA-BOS/DCA with LGA-ORD being added in recent years as well.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 7):
It looks like this flight is struggling, contrary to the prediction of runaway success made by several posters here...
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):
You're joking, right? Flight is doing fine. Great load-factors and average fares are good.

As if on cue... Yet, instead of growing to daily, it is reduced to 3/week during high season...

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):
Back to the normal schedule in February.

That's not what I see on iberia.com.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA IAD-YHZ JUN 0.8>0

Perhaps US will decide to again serve this route this summer if UA is not flying IAD-YHZ
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-MID JUL 0.7>1.0

Finally, CO gets MID to daily. CO has really invested a lot of time and effort in MID and is the only US carrier to make it work. Congrats to them.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-PAP APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1

IS this a new route?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
TA MIA-SAL FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.5>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0 JUL 1.4>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0

As of late TA seems to be struggling in MIA.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 20):
As if on cue... Yet, instead of growing to daily, it is reduced to 3/week during high season...

What are you talking about? First of all, the high season for MIABCN is summer. Second of all, it has never been more than 3x weekly. It has always been 3x weekly. What looks to be going on is some non-operation of flights in late January, which likely is a sign of aircraft maintenance/shortage. What is happening is the flight is not operating on JAN17, JAN20, JAN24, JAN28 and JAN31. That's it. There ar similar day-of-operation cancellations on MADBOG, MADEZE and MADLIM. Want to claim those routes are failures?

Quoting UALWN (Reply 20):
As if on cue... Yet, instead of growing to daily, it is reduced to 3/week during high season...

Of course not. Because you are making things up and claiming that MIABCN operates at more than 3x weekly. Never has.

[Edited 2011-12-30 15:17:10]
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
How long did they actually fly it? ...and I guess it funds LGA because otherwise why would you keep a dead route till June?

I don't think it even started. It was going to start in June I believe.
Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
I really can't fault any airline for starting new routes, but this one was just really ridiculous on the part of DL. This market is already over-saturated with UA, F9, WN and AA all having multiple flights daily on this route. I do think that if DL added maybe a flight or two to connect with flights at LAX, okay, but to start with four, and then take them all away.......   

I have to wonder what they were smoking up there in the DL route planning department that day this one was planned....

So it was the airline equivalent of "made you look".  
It was clearly a placeholder for the slot deal, but a really dumb one. Now they have to raccommodate it over SLC and further trash their yields.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL DCA-BOS MAR 8>7 APR 7>0 MAY 7>0 JUN 7>0 JUL 7>0 AUG 7>0

No more Delta Shuttle DCA-BOS after March??!

As pointed out, it was just an RJ operation; not DL shuttle per se.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 19):
They have separately decided to end DCA-JAN

Yes and no. I suspect they looked at the number of connecting passengers on that route and realized it would fail as a result of the loss of connections post-deal...but the slot is not part of the transaction.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This is a single change which is odd.
US PHX-SLC MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6

This is a result of the new agreement with OO. It will RON in SLC for maintenance.

I knew there was a reason...

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-PAP APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1
IS this a new route?

I think it is a resumption. I'm sure I have seen that route in here before.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

F9 DEN-LGA MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
F9 MCI-LGA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 MKE-LGA MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2

The new DEN addition YOY can account for the reduction in MCI YOY, but that still leaves two slot pairs unaccounted for and unused as a result of the MKE reductions. Anyone know what the deal might be with these?

My memory is that some of the MKE slots are AIR21. It may be that some could not be moved. Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:38 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
First of all, the high season for MIABCN is summer.

Really? Who in his right mind would travel to MIA in the summer? And who from MIA needs to go on a cruise to BCN?

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
It has always been 3x weekly.

You're right. I would have sworn that it had launched as 4/week.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):
Great load-factors and average fares are good.

I can get fares below €500 at many times in 2012. Is that good?
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):

My memory is that some of the MKE slots are AIR21. It may be that some could not be moved. Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6.

Are you talking of MKE or out of LGA? As all of LGA slots on WN side (pre-merger) came from ATA when WN purchased the slots and other assets.

WN does not own any Air 21 routes out of LGA, however FL does have one but I believe it is DCA-RSW?

DL would be most likely, had forgotten about B6 too.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 26):
Are you talking of MKE or out of LGA? As all of LGA slots on WN side (pre-merger) came from ATA when WN purchased the slots and other assets.
Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

F9 DEN-LGA MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
F9 MCI-LGA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
F9 MKE-LGA MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2

The new DEN addition YOY can account for the reduction in MCI YOY, but that still leaves two slot pairs unaccounted for and unused as a result of the MKE reductions. Anyone know what the deal might be with these?

My memory is that some of the MKE slots are AIR21. It may be that some could not be moved. Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6.

What do F9 MKE-LGA slots have to do with WN? Also, MKE is not slotted. The slots used on MKE-LGA are on the LGA end.

I believe that YX was awarded Air21 slots for MKE and essentially sold some of their existing LGA slots and replaced them with the Air21 slots. That was done over a period of time perhaps intentionally, but not in such a way that it was obvious. So, my point is that when F9 reduced MKE-LGA as the original poster mentioned and seemed to have lost a pair of slots, it could be because they were forced to surrender a pair of Air21 slots. That is one possibility. There was also a proceeding already going against F9 over transfer of Air21 slots to F9 from YX. I don't know how that ended up. That could also be part of what is going on.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:48 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 27):

What do F9 MKE-LGA slots have to do with WN? Also, MKE is not slotted. The slots used on MKE-LGA are on the LGA end.

You brought up WN first by mentioning...

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6.

So I was clearing up the confusion by saying WN does not own or have any Air 21 slots out of LGA, as they all came from ATA (again pre merger with FL)...So your guess of F9 giving up 2 slots (that's what F9 has to do with WN) to either , B6, WN or DL, again the quote you said...I was just inputting that it was not WN. So DL or B6 would have to be the other choices or guesses.

Nor did I say anything about MKE, I was mentioning on the LGA side.
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:31 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL LAX-DEN JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0

ha ha. Something had to give in this market. Was not sure if it would be AA or DL.

This was clearly a dartboard route....yeah i went there. I am surprised to see them cancel this quick though??? Seems a little interesting or suspicious they had to know what fares would gonna be like.....LOW and impossible to cover costs of a CR. AA has the FF base in LA to make it necessary for their portfolio. DL doesn't have the FFs in either LAX or DEN to make this worth that much loss or to feed this many seats. The only way they could fill these planes is to undersell everyone on a super cheap route. As others said i really wouldn't be surprised if delta needed 200% LF to cover the costs especially when you would throw in another carrier and fares would have gone down for everyone closer to the date as delta scrambled to fill planes. I really doubt anyone makes money on this route except UA because they are connecting so many routes with it.

It is easy for DL to reroute people thru SLC who already purchased but i wonder if they will need to add some seats on DEN-SLC. They probably didnt sell too many as delta is not most peoples first choice in either market.

This route connects alot of my family so i fly it like 5x and buy like 20 tickets a year. I never pay over $79 each way and always get the dates and time range i want. I have gotten quite a few $49 tickets O/W and my favorite was this year the day before thanksgiving $69 on AA and i bought it like a week ahead! One of the busiest travel days of the year and this route still has bargains as long as you aren't brand sensitive someone is always having a sale.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:42 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
I would have thought ZK would have served MSP-PIR with 1x day nonstop and 1x day via HON.

HON-MCK is one of the more unusual routes to receive air service, even by EAS standards. I wonder if even one passenger / year flies Huron-McCook.

Prior to deregulation, MCK was served by the original Frontier, as a stop on their "Nebraska milk run" that went Denver-McCook-Kearney-Hastings-Grand Island-Columbus-Omaha. HON was served by North Central, Sioux Falls-Mitchell-Huron-Pierre-Rapid City or Sioux Falls-Mitchell-Huron-Aberdeen-Bismarck-Minot

PIR-MSP is pretty much in direct response to XJ dropping that route! It is also a way to route the 1900s to and from the DEN system for maintenance. MCK-HON has been operated in the past, so this is not new (or unusual as you might think)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-YVR

Curious to know what the schedule changes were to MSP-YVR, unless I am missing something!  
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:51 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

I'm surprised about this one, as those flights are usually really packed.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):

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Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:19 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-AGS FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0

Hopefully it'll be back after bankruptcy.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:11 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6.

So I was clearing up the confusion by saying WN does not own or have any Air 21 slots out of LGA, as they all came from ATA (again pre merger with FL)...So your guess of F9 giving up 2 slots (that's what F9 has to do with WN) to either , B6, WN or DL, again the quote you said...I was just inputting that it was not WN. So DL or B6 would have to be the other choices or guesses.

But I said, "perhaps they leased a non-Air21 slot to...WN" so I don't understand why you would say "WN does not own or have any Air21 slots".

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 29):
It is easy for DL to reroute people thru SLC who already purchased

Yes, but given that the fares they sold were at best $100 one-way they probably now have to carry them on two flights for $50 per flight. Jeez, that's ugly... I suspect it was lightly booked, though...

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 30):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-YVR

Curious to know what the schedule changes were to MSP-YVR, unless I am missing something!  

Sorry, that is right where the thread got cut by a.net's post limit.
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Sorry, that is right where the thread got cut by a.net's post limit.
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Yes, but given that the fares they sold were at best $100 one-way they probably now have to carry them on two flights for $50 per flight. Jeez, that's ugly... I suspect it was lightly booked, though...

Like you said, I highly doubt there were too many people booked on these flights more than 6 months in advance. A drop in the bucket.

I think A.net is making a much bigger deal about the DL LAX-DEN non-starter that it really is. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason that they desperately need the 2-class RJs for the LGA slot swap.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
My memory is that some of the MKE slots are AIR21. It may be that some could not be moved. Another possibility is that they leased a non-Air21 slot to DL, WN, or B6

I don't believe either of those to be the case.

The Frontier 2012 LGA schedule has one fewer flight than 2011, but that fewer flight is an arrival after 11:00pm and departing at 6:00am. Those are outside LGA's slotted hours, are they not?
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-ALB APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*DL JFK-BTV APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0

Any confirmation these are legit, or are they just OAG hiccups that will be reversed in the next update or two?
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:50 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
HON-MCK is one of the more unusual routes to receive air service, even by EAS standards. I wonder if even one passenger / year flies Huron-McCook.

You do, of course, know that Huron-McCook is simply for the purpose of serving Huron-Denver 1-stop, yes? There are many simlar nonstop city pairs XXX-YYY with virtually no traffic which are really XXX-YYY-HUB.

Just wanted to clarify that, lest anyone think that EAS is subsidizing a market with perhaps zero passengers per year. They are subsidizing Huron-Denver with a permitted intermediate stop, which happens to be McCook.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting B595 (Reply 37):
Any confirmation these are legit, or are they just OAG hiccups that will be reversed in the next update or two?

DL is going to start LGA-ALB and LGA-BTV at about the same frequencies (loaded last week), so they are probably legit cuts from JFK.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):

But I said, "perhaps they leased a non-Air21 slot to...WN" so I don't understand why you would say "WN does not own or have any Air21 slots".

Gotcha! Then no at this time they have not, all WN owns are the ones from ATA, pre merger, and FL side.

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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 38):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):HON-MCK is one of the more unusual routes to receive air service, even by EAS standards. I wonder if even one passenger / year flies Huron-McCook.
You do, of course, know that Huron-McCook is simply for the purpose of serving Huron-Denver 1-stop, yes? There are many simlar nonstop city pairs XXX-YYY with virtually no traffic which are really XXX-YYY-HUB.

Just wanted to clarify that, lest anyone think that EAS is subsidizing a market with perhaps zero passengers per year. They are subsidizing Huron-Denver with a permitted intermediate stop, which happens to be McCook.

Of course I knew that. However, I think it would make more sense for ZK to make the one permitted intermediate stop PIR, as they have in the past.

I'm sure PIR generates more passengers than MCK, and PIR is much closer to HON than MCK is, so it would be more economical for ZK to fly a largely empty aircraft a short distance from PIR to HON, rather than a long distance from MCK to HON.

What would make the most sense would be to serve HON on a DEN-PIR-HON-MSP route, which would give HON air service both east and west, but I'm not sure if this is permissible / subsidizable under ZK's essential air service contract for HON.
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting polot (Reply 39):
DL is going to start LGA-ALB and LGA-BTV at about the same frequencies (loaded last week), so they are probably legit cuts from JFK.

Disappointing, if true. This is more than a move from JFK to LGA. It also is a notable capacity cut:

JFK-BTV: 3 CR7, 1 CR9
LGA-BTV: 2 CR7, 1 E145

Also, it will mean that JetBlue has prevailed in the BTV-JFK battle.
 
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 35):
I think A.net is making a much bigger deal about the DL LAX-DEN non-starter that it really is. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason that they desperately need the 2-class RJs for the LGA slot swap.

If you want to admit it or not its pretty significant if it was intentional. To cut a route so far in the future so soon. It has Nothing to do with LGA they were planning on that happen and they are getting quite a few seats out of the DCA market too. LAX-DEN was to be operated by skywest. Those planes never would end up in LGA. This was clearly either an OAG mistake meaning the flight will re-apear or someone at delta realized they could never cover costs at current prices on the route and pulled the plug. To be honest i cant see Delta even having a remote chance on this route so i think its the later as underselling to fill seats is a horrible idea on such a low fare route when the competition has more frequent flyers and lower per seat costs.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:10 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 41):
I'm sure PIR generates more passengers than MCK, and PIR is much closer to HON than MCK is, so it would be more economical for ZK to fly a largely empty aircraft a short distance from PIR to HON, rather than a long distance from MCK to HON.

I don't quite understand this statement. Where would the aircraft be flying empty too? HON generates a significant amount of traffic, so they would continue through MCK both ways. It might not look economical from our perspectives, but you have to understand their is a much larger picture to look at with ZK having to rotate planes through MSP!

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 41):
What would make the most sense would be to serve HON on a DEN-PIR-HON-MSP route, which would give HON air service both east and west, but I'm not sure if this is permissible / subsidizable under ZK's essential air service contract for HON.

Well..Mesaba dropped PIR and ZK is essentially picking up where they left off! HON has never seen MSP service (not as of recent) and likely will not see MSP service. Today, ZK operated DEN-PIR-HON, however now that PIR-MSP is in the mix, that changes the situation. PIR most likely will get an AM flight to MSP to connect with the early departure bank in MSP. HON will also need an early morning flight to DEN, again to connect with the DEN departure bank. HON is EAS and the contract is to DEN, not MSP. PIR on the other hand is not EAS, and is more flexible on where they get service too. ZK is killing 2 birds with one stone and instead of terminating a plane in MCK, they are just continuing it on to HON. Like I said earlier, it has been done in the past with some success!
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:04 am

It appears AM is rescheduling CDG by April and suspending BCN till July.

Enilria, do you happen to know about these changes? Anybody?

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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 43):
LAX-DEN was to be operated by skywest. Those planes never would end up in LGA.

Actually, you bring up a good point. Skywest has 4 CR7's that are going to GoJet. GoJet will be doing quite a bit of LGA flying. So it's quite possible that the LAX-DEN airplane will be needed in LGA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Yes and no. I suspect they looked at the number of connecting passengers on that route and realized it would fail as a result of the loss of connections post-deal...but the slot is not part of the transaction.

The route was virtually all local traffic - less than 2 PDEW were connecting. But that said, I suspect they realize there is no meaningful potential for improvement and with a reduced presence in DCA, DL probably won't care whose hands this slot ends up in.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 43):
LAX-DEN was to be operated by skywest. Those planes never would end up in LGA.

Just because the OO planes won't directly fund the new LGA flying doesn't mean they won't be needed to cover other regional flying that will be shifted to LGA. When you have a shift in flying of this magnitude, there are going to be several moving pieces.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 36):
I don't believe either of those to be the case.

The Frontier 2012 LGA schedule has one fewer flight than 2011, but that fewer flight is an arrival after 11:00pm and departing at 6:00am. Those are outside LGA's slotted hours, are they not?

Good point, I had forgotten about that. Isn't F9 operating two less frequencies in LGA this summer versus last summer though (as of now)?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 47):
The Frontier 2012 LGA schedule has one fewer flight than 2011, but that fewer flight is an arrival after 11:00pm and departing at 6:00am. Those are outside LGA's slotted hours, are they not?
Good point, I had forgotten about that. Isn't F9 operating two less frequencies in LGA this summer versus last summer though (as of now)?

Just one less:

2011
DEN 3x
MKE 3x
MCI 3x

2012
DEN 4x
MKE 2x
MCI 2x
 
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RE: OAG Changes 12/30/2011: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA

Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 48):
Just one less:

2011
DEN 3x
MKE 3x
MCI 3x

2012
DEN 4x
MKE 2x
MCI 2x

F9 was operating 4x MKE service last summer though. Or did you mean just one slot less that falls under a time of day that is slot enforced?

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