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Emirates Ops At JFK

Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:37 pm

I flew on the JFK-DXB flight several times and all times the flight seems full/full/full. Why is EK not putting another flight to JFK or upgrading to the 380 on the 77w flight? They must be making good $$$ on this route, F/J were all full all the times I flew on it.
 
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:56 pm

It used to be the A380 and when I flew it with the 380 the aircraft had around 100 people on it. I remember it being a big deal they were switching back to the 777.
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 1):
It used to be the A380 and when I flew it with the 380 the aircraft had around 100 people on it. I remember it being a big deal they were switching back to the 777.

They have two daily services, one of which is still/again on the A388. They pulled the A388 from the JFK runs for a very short while because they needed it for YYZ. As soon as another one was delivered, it went back to the JFK flight.

I don't know of a single flight DXB-JFK-DXB with a load factor below 65%.

Depending on slot availability, EK will grow (either 3rd daily, or double A388) at JFK in the medium term.
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting something (Reply 2):
Depending on slot availability, EK will grow (either 3rd daily, or double A388) at JFK in the medium term.

It will also depend on premium vs. Y demand. Right now, the A388s belong on the routes that sell J. (Then again, how EK utilized the A388 to sell J at MAN still amazes me...) I suspect we'll see 2X A380 long before 3X/day.



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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
Then again, how EK utilized the A388 to sell J at MAN still amazes me

MAN has a very affluent population within its catchment. The are also a lot of business links between the midlands, Northern England and Dubai. EK also give a lot of upgrades to Skywards members.

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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
The are also a lot of business links between the midlands, Northern England and Dubai.

I recall reading, prior to A388 launch at MAN, that EK was having trouble selling the premium tickets at MAN. Either the economy turned up enough or the big plane drew attention. I won't claim to know all the details of the market. I'll just note I'm pleasantly surprised by how well EK has done selling J at MAN.

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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
It will also depend on premium vs. Y demand. Right now, the A388s belong on the routes that sell J. (Then again, how EK utilized the A388 to sell J at MAN still amazes me...) I suspect we'll see 2X A380 long before 3X/day.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
the big plane drew attention.

The A380 is a marketing tool for EK, which is literally the only reason why there's even an option of three daily before double A388.

MAN is a very competitive market. Simply being EK won't win the customer's favor anymore, especially since the products of the EY and QR are on par or better in all classes (personally, I much prefer EYs premium offering to EKs gaudy wood and gold boxes). The EK A388 is a huge attraction at MAN and that generates a lot of market exposure/publicity for EK.
For similar reasons I believe EK will serve DUS on the whale in the medium term as well (in spite of the same lack of actual premium demand).
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:52 pm

Quoting something (Reply 6):
The EK A388 is a huge attraction at MAN and that generates a lot of market exposure/publicity for EK.
For similar reasons I believe EK will serve DUS on the whale in the medium term as well (in spite of the same lack of actual premium demand).

So much for 'what will EK do with all those A380s.  

I wonder how long the novelty will last? It was there with the 747 and eventually faded away. I'd love to know the premium travel stats for EK and MAN pre and post the A380.

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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting something (Reply 2):
They pulled the A388 from the JFK runs for a very short while because they needed it for YYZ. As soon as another one was delivered, it went back to the JFK flight.

Actually they pulled the A388 off of JFK due to the global economic meltdown in 2009; the A388 would lose less money on YYZ than JFK at that point....
 
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 8):
Quoting something (Reply 2):
They pulled the A388 from the JFK runs for a very short while because they needed it for JFK flight.

Actually they pulled the A388 off of JFK due to the global economic meltdown in 2009; the A388 would lose less money on JFK at that point....

What other reason would they have had to move the bird from JFK to BKK)? They had struggling filling it at JFK while their 77Ws at Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
I wonder how long the novelty will last?
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1324035423.html

In that quoted article in the ''Süddeutsche Zeitung'', Clark says that he expected the A380 novelty effect to last about half a year and is surprised it still hasn't diminished. In another article about SQ I read that SQ charges slightly higher fares for their A388 flights compared to the 77Ws, yet the A388 attracts much higher sales. (That was supposedly one of their reasons to bring it to ZRH).

http://www.airliners.de/verkehr/netz.../emirates-will-weitere-a380-/25961

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Die Flüge mit der A380 sind fast immer voll. Ich habe in meinen 40 Jahren in diesem Geschäft kein Flugzeug gesehen, das so populär ist

''The A380 flights are almost always sold out. I've never seen an aircraft that popular in my entire 40 years career in the industry.''

In the same article (subscribers and German only) he also points out that he had expected the novelty effect to last a good half a year, but that it still hasn't diminished. He then goes on to say that he wants to order more, but that future growth will be limited by capacity restrictions at DXB.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
So much for 'what will EK do with all those A380s.

In an interview with the WSJ Tim Clarke said that, ''the entire American network will be flown exclusively by giant Airbus A380s within five years.''

tiny.cc/tupzv (edit to hide actual link; forum kept messing it up).

I want to say that Emirates' strategy is rather predictable because it follows a very logical, but prudent strategy. Next to DUS, I see MXP and even BCN high on the list as A380 second-tier market A380 destinations. FRA is way overdue as well.

It's funny how slow the A380 is selling because airlines are worried about filling them in the off-season, whilst EK can't get them quick enough.

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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:29 am

Emirates is currently operating 20 A388 frames and the next 4 aircraft, accounting for deliveries well into the second half of 2012 have already been incorporated into the schedules. I believe the airline will add extra equipment to the New York market, but will do so with a third daily flight to JFK in the afternoon DXB departure bank with a schedule along the following pattern:

DXB JFK 1500 2030
JFK DXB 0100 2145

We should also not discard the option that EK may be looking into serving EWR instead.
 
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
We should also not discard the option that EK may be looking into serving EWR instead.

With a bigger Indian Sub-continent population in Jersey than New York it would not be out of the picture. But you are right highly likely JFK would be added service rather than EWR service.
 
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RE: Emirates Ops At JFK

Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting something (Reply 9):
In another article about SQ I read that SQ charges slightly higher fares for their A388 flights compared to the 77Ws, yet the A388 attracts much higher sales. (That was supposedly one of their reasons to bring it to ZRH).

This I do not doubt. I still know dozens of people who alter their trip itinerary (e.g., add a stop they wouldn't otherwise) to fly the A380.

Quoting something (Reply 9):
In an interview with the WSJ Tim Clarke said that, ''the entire American network will be flown exclusively by giant Airbus A380s within five years.''

I think the existing destinations will be mostly A380. I wonder about SFO (lower premium yield).

Quoting something (Reply 9):
tiny.cc/tupzv (edit to hide actual link; forum kept messing it up).

I too cannot post WSJ links in these forums. Anyone know why?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
We should also not discard the option that EK may be looking into serving EWR instead.

Instead or 'in parallel.'   I fully expect to see EK at EWR.

I do agree with planetime that at this point JFK is more likely to see additional service prior to a EWR launch. However, EWR within 3 years should be a given. .

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