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Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:11 pm

http://news.aviation-safety.net/2011...d-fatal-a321-accident-in-pakistan/

Hopefully this will act as a wake up to the risks of poor CRM.

It is always particularly distressing when a fatal crash is so needless.

The part that I found particularly baffling was the earlier Q&A session which seems to have prepared the grounds for the subsequent crash.
 
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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:21 pm

I thought better CRM traing, had been standard since Tenerife. This crash should not have happened, and it sad that the First Officer, just let the captain make this mistake.
 
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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:23 pm

A very scary read on avherald, as there were many procedural errors on the part of the crew despite technology telling them to do otherwise.

http://avherald.com/h?article=42ee2e58/0000&opt=0

Air blue crash has been finalized as a case of Controlled Flight into Terrain (CFIT), in which aircrew failed to display superior judgment and professional skills in a self created unsafe environment. In their pursuit to land in inclement weather, they committed serious violations of procedures and breaches of flying discipline, which put the aircraft in an unsafe condition over dangerous terrain at low altitude.
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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:34 pm

Personally, I am always reluctant to criticise "honest" mistakes.

However, there are those who say that some pilots should be subject to criminal sanctions for negligance. IMO, if the Captain had survived, then this would be an ideal example of this.

I find it incredible that the FO did not act out of sheer self preservation.
 
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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):

I find it incredible that the FO did not act out of sheer self preservation.

I can see why he didn't. If someone has been grilling you for some time, working on your confidence in a negative way I can see how you become submissive, especially considering that this is not a western country, which in general seem to have less of a problem challenging authority. If you look at the avherald link the F/O did try, but the actions of the captain earlier likely made him too passive.
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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:52 am

I've not read about such poor CRM and such a bully of a Captain since Van Zanten's jaunt down the Tenerife runway.

The real crazy thing about this flight is that, if the FO had become more assertive and taken over control, he'd be probably have been out of a job before he got back to home base. Beaurocratic nonesense would had gotten him fired for countermanding his Captain's orders, as no doubt the bully would have filed a formal complaint.

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RE: Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:07 am

What a tragedy. What was the pilot thinking about?

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