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AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:51 am

I flew MIA-ORD last night in a brand new AA 737-800 with the Sky Interior, and while i liked the way the cabin looks, there was something odd about the height of of the windows in economy. The top of the windows seem to be at shoulder level. I am 5"8, and i have never had to bend down to look out, in any plane

As a reference, i had just transferred from a "regular" AA 737-800 (in business class), and the windows seemed fine there..

Are the windows really lower? or was the 2.5hr connection nightmare that is using MIA messed up my head?  
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:56 am

Well, the windows aren't at a different level, but maybe the seats are up higher in coach?

BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:58 am

They can't change the window height as it is how the actual aircraft is designed and not just the interior. However most windows are rather low and this may simply be the first time you have noticed it.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:58 am

The windows are definitely not lower. My guess is that the seats on AA's new 737s are higher than the older 737s. I've found this to be true with WN's 733s for example.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Well, the windows aren't at a different level, but maybe the seats are up higher in coach?
Quoting eaa3 (Reply 2):
They can't change the window height as it is how the actual aircraft is designed and not just the interior.
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
The windows are definitely not lower. My guess is that the seats on AA's new 737s are higher t

Yes, you described it much better.. maybe the floor is higher up. If its really the case, its really annoying..

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?

It did. Wonder how many people actually use it.
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?

All AA aircraft with the BSI (3GY and subsequent) are equipped with the Aircell/Gogo WiFi mod before entering service.
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Yes, you described it much better.. maybe the floor is higher up. If its really the case, its really annoying..

Actually the floor is the same height and the window is the same height. AA also uses the same Weber seat on its recently delivered 737NGs with sky interior as they had with the bigger bins style planes, which had been in planes delivered since the resumption of deliveries 2009. However the older 737s have Recaro seats which may be part of the difference.

Also the window sculpting is different, however that does not affect the actual window, but the panel around it. It might be an optical illusion. In general 737 windows require you to bend down if you want to see parallel to the airplane. They are designed so that you can look down at the ground and not at the horizon or sky so that sun does not enter the cabin at eye level.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Is that because of the blue light?
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:20 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):

You are totally right. This summer I've flown MIA-TPA-MIA, both legs on 738. The first flight was operated by one of the older 738s in AA's fleet (2001) and the seat was noticeably lower than in the brand new 738 on my return flight.
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
Are the windows really lower?

They certainly seem so. It's kind of like a CRJ, though not to the same extent.

I also noticed that the seat pitch seems to have shrunk, and is now unbearably tight (at least for someone of my height, and I'm 6'1). Only up in the front of economy (I was sitting in row 10), though. Further back (somewhere behind the wing) it was better. I don't get that one.

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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:49 am

interesting -- I flew IN to MIA last night from PUJ on an AA 738 with Sky interior. Wonder if it was the same plane. We parked somewhere around gate D31. It was very nice. Flew out (MIA-LAX) on a 757, which was horrible. I will actively avoid AA's 757s from now on until they get an interior upgrade.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:59 am

I noticed the same thing on a Austrian flight 737-800 earlier this year out of LHR seemed even worse as I am 6'2.

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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:01 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
In general 737 windows require you to bend down if you want to see parallel to the airplane. They are designed so that you can look down at the ground and not at the horizon or sky so that sun does not enter the cabin at eye level.

I much prefer the 737 windows to those on the A320 family which are both smaller and (in my opinion) mounted too high on the fuselage. Most people who like window seats want to look down at the ground, not up, and the 737 (and all other Boeing narrowbodies) make this much easier. Obviously it also depends on your height, but in my opinion Boeing got it right when they designed the 707 and successors and I'm glad they haven't changed the window size or placement since.

I also always thought the L-1011 windows were mounted slightly too high on the fuselage, and of course the L-1011 windows were much smaller (about 30% I believe) than the large windows on the DC-10 which were also mounted lower and provided an excellent view (as on the MD-11).
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:05 am

I have not been on a Sky Interior 737 yet but...there are no structural changes to the aircraft. It is purely an illusion. In fact Boeing is delivering standard interior 737's alongside Sky Interior 737's. Windows are cut the same on the frame.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:45 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 5):
All AA aircraft with the BSI (3GY and subsequent) are equipped with the Aircell/Gogo WiFi mod before entering service.

By chance do you know the "N" numbers for these aircraft?
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:39 am

rzjets.net is a very useful site for pairing fleet #s with reg #s.

It says N867-882NN are the new ones.

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[Edited 2012-01-02 21:45:53]
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 13):
By chance do you know the "N" numbers for these aircraft?

Cameron has a pretty good resource - I would recommend that as well.

Sorry about that...I'm programmed to think in fleet numbers. It comes in handy with the MD80s, since they're a hodge-podge of different regs depending on the original customer and other factors.  
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
I flew MIA-ORD last night in a brand new AA 737-800

Interesting, because AA had been flying either all 757s or 757s and a few 763s on the route. AA must need some extra 757s elsewhere and is substituting a few 738s over the holiday period.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:17 pm

I think that the best window placement is on the E175/190's perfect to sit normally and watch everything out of the window. I am excited to ride on a 787 to experience the huge windows.

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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
It might be an optical illusion.

Very well might be,., but i was slouching down on my seat... Maybe the new aircraft's seats are still nice and firm, whereas on the older ones you are sitting on the frame it self?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Is that because of the blue light?

No, not the blue light.. the white light that was on right before take off and a bit before landing.. It has super high color temperature
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 18):
No, not the blue light.. the white light that was on right before take off and a bit before landing.. It has super high color temperature

That is actually the inflight meal/beverage light setting IIRC. I have only worked the airplane once. I think the blue setting is the take off/landing setting. I found it sort of odd as well, so we went ahead and kept the blue light setting during flight. Found it more soothing. have only worked it once, so my memory might be playing tricks on me.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 17):
I think that the best window placement is on the E175/190's perfect to sit normally and watch everything out of the window.

That is if you are lucky enough to get a seat that is lined up properly with a window. Most of them are not.

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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):

I think that is a function of your seat height/seat cushion height. The windows on the 737 don't change vertical position due to a new interior.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:36 pm

There is no difference in window height on any 737 model, probably seat height or an illusion. Only jet that has really too low windows is the CRJ2, thankfully they did a major fuselage change with floor and window height on the CRJ7/9. Great view on them except when airlines go 2 class seating, then the seats and windows in Y class don't line up real well.

[Edited 2012-01-03 14:18:05]
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 21):
seat height/seat cushion height

Being a new plane, perhaps seat cushion hadn't been smashed down yet.
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 23):
Being a new plane, perhaps seat cushion hadn't been smashed down yet.

  
 
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Did this flight have WiFi available?

All AA 767-223s and select 738s and MD80s have WiFi.
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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 25):
All AA 767-223s and select 738s and MD80s have WiFi.

However, I noticed (with great disappointment) that the 762s still have the old style power ports that require an adapter, whereas the 738s have proper three-prong plugs. I don't understand why they didn't change the ports when they installed the WiFi.

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RE: AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?

Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:17 am

Right, it's the seat position, not the position of the windows. The position of the windows is dependent on the structure of the airframe and cannot be repositioned at whim.


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