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US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:50 pm

It's been a real good week for DSM, and it just keeps getting better.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...ways-adds-two-nonstop-flights.html
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:21 pm

And someone here recently posted that US was not giving the mid-west any love, looks like they heard his plea.  
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:32 pm

Wow! When I lived in OMA, especially after the merger with HP, everyone asked why US didn't fly to CLT from there?

Maybe I'll give US a try sometime when I go back to visit Nebraska.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:36 pm

Good news for all involved. It will give passengers at OMA and DSM a southeast hub option to compete with Delta.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:51 pm

Here is the flight schedule which i posted in the Slot Swap Thread earlier this week.

2563 CLTDSM 1135a 0116p CRJ
2567 CLTDSM 0620p 0840p CRJ
2558 DSMCLT 0705a 1023a CRJ
2560 DSMCLT 0145p 0503p CRJ

2214 CLTOMA 1125A 0111P CR7
2216 CLTOMA 0749P 0934P CR7
2218 OMACLT 0730A 1056A CR7
2275 OMACLT 0145P 0511P CR7

3364 OMADCA 425P 755P E70
3351 DCAOMA 150P 345P E70
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Looks like US will be giving DL and F9 a little competition on the OMA-DCA route.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
Looks like US will be giving DL and F9 a little competition on the OMA-DCA route.


With the slot swap, DL is ending OMA-DCA and US is starting it.

The CLT service is a pleasant surprise, though.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting evanbu (Thread starter):
It's been a real good week for DSM, and it just keeps getting better.

So, including this, what all has been announced for DSM in the past few weeks?

- AA mainline returns DSM-DFW
- F9 upgrades to mainline 2x/day DSM-DEN
- US adding 2x/day DSM-CLT

Am I missing anything?
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:11 pm

Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Makes me wonder if US will return to other cities that they orphaned post-PIT like EVV, FWA, GRR, SBN, and TOL. I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:32 pm

Some notes about DSM-

1.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):

The F9 2X daily has been going on for a while. But it being upgraded to an Airbus.

2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

3. These AA, F9, and US announcements are great, but the massively large elephant in the room continues to be whether or not WN will go with DSM. I give the odds at 65/35 in favor of picking up DSM.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
So, including this, what all has been announced for DSM in the past few weeks?

- AA mainline returns DSM-DFW
- F9 upgrades to mainline 2x/day DSM-DEN
- US adding 2x/day DSM-CLT

Am I missing anything?

Yes-DL changing 2x DSM-ATL to MD80 from CR9 starting in June.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting joeljack (Reply 10):

IAH-DSM going to 737-700? Not happening, but here's to hoping...
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):
2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

It ends around July 1st or so. I'm assuming the US will pick it up in their second round of flight additions.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:38 pm

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Quoting joeljack (Reply 12):

Good to hear, because I doubt F9 would have picked that up.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):
The F9 2X daily has been going on for a while. But it being upgraded to an Airbus.

Yep, I know - I just meant that both flights going to Airbus is a relatively new development.
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:08 pm

I wish that US would re-start service to OKC...except from CLT.
 
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Actually, I don't think US ever served PIT-DSM and served PIT-OMA for a very brief time. Both those cities were previously in the US (East) system via Air Midwest's MCI-based US Express operation.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Actually, I don't think US ever served PIT-DSM and served PIT-OMA for a very brief time. Both those cities were previously in the US (East) system via Air Midwest's MCI-based US Express operation.

Actually, you both are incorrect. US served both DSM and OMA nonstop from PIT in the 90s, along with nonstop flights to ICT and one-stop service to GRB via MKE. All four of those cities lost nonstop flights to PIT years before the dehubbing. DSM, OMA, and ICT survived in the legacy US network for several years via the USX/Air Midwest flights through MCI.

http://www.departedflights.com/USPIThub.html
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:48 am

Wow good news for DSM lately. I wonder if US will expand more into the midwest via CLT? Would be nice to have a little more competition out here after losing some (CO / NW) via mergers.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:08 am

Does anyone know what will become of the morning DSM-PHX CRJ200 flight once the YV contract ends? OO is not shown to be picking up this route. Will the 200 be upgraded to a 900 or could a 319 find its way from PHX-DSM? Thoughts?
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:27 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.

Huh?

The market from FWA to all three DC area airports combined is less than 25 PDEW. That's hardly enough justification to open a new station compiled with the fact that DCA is slot restricted.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):

2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

As another posted stated, DL will continue operated DSM-DCA flights through 10Jul. If you'll remember back to 2009, DSM was listed as one of destinations US announced it would start from DCA and while there have been a few changes from that list, many will remain unchanged.
 
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Makes me wonder if US will return to other cities that they orphaned post-PIT like EVV, FWA, GRR, SBN, and TOL. I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.

Patience.  

Probably won't see anything happen to DCA though.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 4):
Here is the flight schedule which i posted in the Slot Swap Thread earlier this week.

2563 CLTDSM 1135a 0116p CRJ
2567 CLTDSM 0620p 0840p CRJ
2558 DSMCLT 0705a 1023a CRJ
2560 DSMCLT 0145p 0503p CRJ

2214 CLTOMA 1125A 0111P CR7
2216 CLTOMA 0749P 0934P CR7
2218 OMACLT 0730A 1056A CR7
2275 OMACLT 0145P 0511P CR7

3364 OMADCA 425P 755P E70
3351 DCAOMA 150P 345P E70

Thank god its PSA and Republic flying these routes. If it were Air Wisconsin you would be majorly disapointed with the service and more then likely the cancelations would start piling up.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 22):

Anyone want to take a stab at whether or not WN will keep FL operation?
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 23):

Anyone want to take a stab at whether or not WN will keep FL operation?


Yes. Those 717 will eventually be flying to MDW. At least that what I think....


Now we need a OMA-PHL 
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting Splitterz (Reply 24):
Now we need a OMA-PHL

If CLT does well, it wouldn't surprise me to see PHL added. Only time will tell. I would expect at least a year or more off though.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting Splitterz (Reply 24):

I completely agree. MKE-DSM is on life support.
 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 26):
I completely agree. MKE-DSM is on life support.

I would imagine that if they just suddenly announced DSM-MDW, ditched MKE altogether and kept the 3x/day, each flight would be >90 percent full within weeks.

Compare:

WN roundtrip OMA - MDW on Jan. 25, returning Jan. 26: $158.90 (one-way $78)
UA roundtrip OMA - ORD on Jan. 25 returning Jan. 26: $418.10 (one-way $209)

UA round trip DSM - ORD on Jan. 25 returning Jan. 26: $847 (one-way $413)

Business and leisure travelers would flock to WN immediately, UA would lower their prices and the number of enplanements would go up substantially. Think of all the people from central/western Iowa who drive out of their way to Omaha and Kansas City for WN prices who would now be able to fly out of DSM for the same price without the hassle.

Here's hoping.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15):
I wish that US would re-start service to OKC...except from CLT.

It is an enduring mystery to me as to why they are leaving OKC out in the cold.

How is US on scope? could they put a CR7 on OKC-CLT x2/3?

I have heard that CLT is much easier to connect INT-->US than, say, IAD.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting planespotting (Reply 27):
WN roundtrip OMA - MDW on Jan. 25, returning Jan. 26: $158.90 (one-way $78)
UA roundtrip OMA - ORD on Jan. 25 returning Jan. 26: $418.10 (one-way $209)

UA round trip DSM - ORD on Jan. 25 returning Jan. 26: $847 (one-way $413)

Business and leisure travelers would flock to WN immediately, UA would lower their prices and the number of enplanements would go up substantially. Think of all the people from central/western Iowa who drive out of their way to Omaha and Kansas City for WN prices who would now be able to fly out of DSM for the same price without the hassle.

Here's hoping.

Totally. But if a lot of people from Iowa "flock" to OMA to fly WN, won't it affect the OMA operation if a significant portion shifts to DSM?

It will require capacity discipline for sure.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting Splitterz (Reply 29):

I kinda agree with you, but won't people from CID, ALO, FOD, MLI, and MCW FLOCK to get on a WN flight from Des Moines?
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 30):
I kinda agree with you, but won't people from CID, ALO, FOD, MLI, and MCW FLOCK to get on a WN flight from Des Moines?

Yes. WN in DSM could make a big impact on the surrounding area. But the question remains, how big will the station actually be? Will it compete with OMA to much? They could certainly take market share from Allegiant and US, but how much demand will the area give?
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 30):

I kinda agree with you, but won't people from CID, ALO, FOD, MLI, and MCW FLOCK to get on a WN flight from Des Moines?

that's why I think CID would be a good spot for SWA service   I know wishful thinking, but if you think about it SWA serves OMA MCI MSP MKE MDW, CID is the perfect middle point from these cities for service and would serve a gap in their service. Eastern Iowa is more densely populated than western Iowa and could serve DBQ, MLI, ALO and the CID/Iowa City Metro areas. I still wonder if DSM being close to OMA will somehow affect service starting there. I guess it will remain to be seen. Perhaps that's why the mainline upgrades there by AA & DL? I would love to see SWA service from CID to MDW and DEN for starters.
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 32):

I call shenanigans. I can see WN entering the DSM market (population 300,000 in metro area), I do not however, in ANY scenario, see WN picking CID over DSM. It. Will. Not. Happen. Period. I'm sorry to sound like an (explecitive) but it just won't happen.

I also see no possibility of WN & G4 co-existing in DSM. It's either one or the other.

Trivia question: With DSM now having mainline UA, DL, F9, and AA, name another airport that has all of that PLUS G4 service (That is NOT a G4 hub)?
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:32 am

I think CLT to OMA is long over due I even think PHL to OMA is overdue also and should be on US's radar also. Just my   
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 33):
Trivia question: With DSM now having mainline UA, DL, F9, and AA, name another airport that has all of that PLUS G4 service (That is NOT a G4 hub)?

PDX?
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 33):

Trivia question: With DSM now having mainline UA, DL, F9, and AA, name another airport that has all of that PLUS G4 service (That is NOT a G4 hub)?

SAN?

Quoting Splitterz (Reply 35):
PDX?

Allegiant doesn't fly there.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:39 am

Quoting evanbu (Reply 33):

I call shenanigans. I can see WN entering the DSM market (population 300,000 in metro area), I do not however, in ANY scenario, see WN picking CID over DSM. It. Will. Not. Happen. Period. I'm sorry to sound like an (explecitive) but it just won't happen.

I also see no possibility of WN & G4 co-existing in DSM. It's either one or the other.

Trivia question: With DSM now having mainline UA, DL, F9, and AA, name another airport that has all of that PLUS G4 service (That is NOT a G4 hub)?

I know that's why I said wishful thinking   And Des Moines is more closer to 500,000 metro population. I could maybe see Spirit taking smaller markets like CID like FL did if anything.
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 37):
And Des Moines is more closer to 500,000 metro population. I could maybe see Spirit taking smaller markets like CID like FL did if anything.

Actually, DSM and surrounding (including Newton and Pella) is roughly 630,000. Not that it matters a ton, but Pella has both Vermeer and PellaCorp/Rolscreen, and they send quite a few business travelers through DSM. Newton has the Iowa Speedway and TPI Composites (wind turbine manufacturing).
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting planespotting (Reply 38):

Can G4 and WN co-exist?
 
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Quoting planespotting (Reply 38):

Actually, DSM and surrounding (including Newton and Pella) is roughly 630,000. Not that it matters a ton, but Pella has both Vermeer and PellaCorp/Rolscreen, and they send quite a few business travelers through DSM. Newton has the Iowa Speedway and TPI Composites (wind turbine manufacturing).

Newton used to be the home of Maytag, but National never flew anywhere near there. Unfortunately, Whirlpool, that bought Maytag moved all their jobs from Newton and Galesburg, IL to Mexico
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:26 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 32):
that's why I think CID would be a good spot for SWA service I know wishful thinking, but if you think about it SWA serves OMA MCI MSP MKE MDW, CID is the perfect middle point from these cities for service and would serve a gap in their service. Eastern Iowa is more densely populated than western Iowa and could serve DBQ, MLI, ALO and the CID/Iowa City Metro areas. I still wonder if DSM being close to OMA will somehow affect service starting there. I guess it will remain to be seen. Perhaps that's why the mainline upgrades there by AA & DL? I would love to see SWA service from CID to MDW and DEN for starters.

We think alike...I wrote the same thing about 2 years ago. It just makes sense geography wise and population wise. Within 100 mile radius of CID the population is actually much greater than the population within 100 mile radius of DSM. In addition, a 100-mile radius circle of des moines overlaps quite a bit with MCI and OMA. The CID circle overlaps ZERO with other WN station's 100-mile radii. I think this could be a real smart move for WN but I don't see them taking this chance...who knows though!!
 
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:06 pm

However almost 3 hours on a CRJ-200 is ridiculous. Minimum E170.
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RE: US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT

Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 42):

Could be much worse. Actual flight time will be in the neighborhood of around 2 hours...
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:07 pm

The block is set for 2h 46 min. Anything over an hour on a CRJ whether 200/700/900 is crazy.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 44):
The block is set for 2h 46 min. Anything over an hour on a CRJ whether 200/700/900 is crazy.

DSM-PHX is blocked at 3hr 10 minutes. It's too bad US doesn't bring their E170s out west.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 19):

Does anyone know what will become of the morning DSM-PHX CRJ200 flight once the YV contract ends? OO is not shown to be picking up this route. Will the 200 be upgraded to a 900 or could a 319 find its way from PHX-DSM? Thoughts?

Does anybody know what's going to happen next here? I think they could EASILY swing an Airbus on this route. Look for WN in the future to do DSM-PHX.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 44):
The block is set for 2h 46 min. Anything over an hour on a CRJ whether 200/700/900 is crazy.

I don't understand the Delta "Anything over 750 miles" rule. I suppose it has something to do with the CR7/9/10s being newer and thus, moderately more comfortable? Though for anyone who has ever done IAD-OKC IAD-TUL etc in a CR7 knows that is not precisely true...
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 46):

Well..I've been waiting, what's the answer?  
Quoting evanbu (Reply 33):

Trivia question: With DSM now having mainline UA, DL, F9, and AA, name another airport that has all of that PLUS G4 service (That is NOT a G4 hub)?

Someone guessed PDX, I said SAN. Curious to what you're thinking.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 46):
Look for WN in the future to do DSM-PHX.

I don't discount that possibility but...it wouldn't surprise me if DSM closed in 2012.

Look at what FL has in DSM, ONLY MKE, not even a DSM-ATL. I see this as a 50/50 chance of staying, the fact it has held out this long, would show WN has some form of plan, but on the other spectrum, why not add a BWI or ATL service or MCO even on FL side to provide some flow to help the station out?

Quoting evanbu (Reply 39):

Can G4 and WN co-exist?

We'll find out, there's hardly if any actual route pairs WN/G4 both fly, but in terms of markets, we will find out soon between Phoenix and Oakland, and other routes G4 has announced that also sees WN in the market.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 47):
I don't understand the Delta "Anything over 750 miles" rule. I suppose it has something to do with the CR7/9/10s being newer and thus, moderately more comfortable? Though for anyone who has ever done IAD-OKC IAD-TUL etc in a CR7 knows that is not precisely true...

There's first class, wi-fi on 50% (soon 100%) of these planes and they're all getting Economy Comfort.

I've done some 1400 legs on CRJ-700/900 in First Class and it's nice. It's meant to appeal to the HVC that will buy the F cabin product or is a high level elite that has a very reasonable shot at an upgrade.

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