QANTAS747-438
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FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:25 pm

Two FL aircraft have been scheduled to be converted into WN configuration. There are not many details.

#7714 will be converted from FEB 19 - APR 14 in PAE
#7702 will be converted from MAR 19 - MAY 14 in PAE

Not sure which planes are 7714 and 7702 or what designation this means, yet.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):

#7714 will be converted from FEB 19 - APR 14 in PAE
#7702 will be converted from MAR 19 - MAY 14 in PAE

Assuming...and I am probably wrong...

7714 would be Fleet 714 which is a 717-200...

N954AT 55016 5036 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-10-2000 714

N940AT 55004 5005 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-11-1999 N717XE 702

So are they 717's? That is again assuming that Air Tran goes by Fleet Number...I could be totally wrong!

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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:40 pm

By conversion, does that also mean a re-paint as well?
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:23 pm

Nice, but where did you get you're info....      
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):
Two FL aircraft have been scheduled to be converted into WN configuration.

Which means what. Interior colors, seating, exterior paint change and/or............................
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 1):
Assuming...and I am probably wrong...

7714 would be Fleet 714 which is a 717-200...

N954AT 55016 5036 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-10-2000 714

N940AT 55004 5005 Boeing 717-2BD C12Y105 26-11-1999 N717XE 702

So are they 717's? That is again assuming that Air Tran goes by Fleet Number...I could be totally wrong!

Alex

No the -700 will be converted first to be easily intergrated into WN current fleet/routes. 717's are secondary.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 3):
Nice, but where did you get you're info....

From you!!!  
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 2):
By conversion, does that also mean a re-paint as well?
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
Which means what. Interior colors, seating, exterior paint change and/or............................

By conversion, I mean it will go in as an AirTran 737 and come out a Southwest 737. You name it, and it'll change into WN.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:23 pm

Is it really necessary for the plane to be 2 months in a hangar? I mean, it could easily be done in 2 weeks.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
Is it really necessary for the plane to be 2 months in a hangar? I mean, it could easily be done in 2 weeks.

Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:14 am

Is this work being done by Boeing at PAE?
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:18 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!

Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while
Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Perhaps it's done together with a heavy check? 2 months is still excessive in that case, but who knows!

What's the differences between the flight decks? If the panels have to be modified I could see where that would take two months... or is it just a matter of loading different software?
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:25 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):

Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while.

Don't think WN is doing that at the same time, as WN had announced they planned to remove all of XM by end of February so it shouldn't be taking THAT long...

It started December 19th, by end of February will be a little over 2 months for "only" 140 FL birds.

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtrans-xm-satellite-radio-1264880.html

The satellite radio equipment will be completely removed from the planes by Feb. 28.
*Side note...did they forget it is a leap year? Feb 29th?  

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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Side note...did they forget it is a leap year? Feb 29th?

Oh no, they forgot my birthday (yes I actually get one this year)
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 13):
Don't think WN is doing that at the same time, as WN had announced they planned to remove all of XM by end of February so it shouldn't be taking THAT long...

Hmmmm....that's interesting. I would just assume that removing the corresponding XEBs, DPCU's and whatnot would take longer than that. Guess that was a very well put together de-mod line they had set up!

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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:07 am

Galleys, lavatories, seats, carpets, flight deck, etc. The aircraft will be basically gutted and will emerge indistinguishable from current WN 73Gs. The 717s will just get new seats, carpet and paint.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
Galleys, lavatories, seats, carpets, flight deck, etc. The aircraft will be basically gutted and will emerge indistinguishable from current WN 73Gs.

How nice of WN to take out one of the bathrooms in the back....

There can't be much different between the WN and FL birds in the cockpits, except a HUD.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 17):
There can't be much different between the WN and FL birds in the cockpits, except a HUD.

WN 737-700 Cockpit :


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Notice the nose number.. Much like 555 and 556WN ( The two FL deliveries in the current WN fleet ), have a digital standby instrument, no HUD, and a few other oddities. 555 and 556 also have the VHF Antennae and have a selcal code which is something that isn't on the standard WN 73NG
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:40 pm

After further investigation it appears that

N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting ck8msp (Reply 10):
Is this work being done by Boeing at PAE?

No. I assume it's being done by Aviation Technical Services, but I can't say for sure (they've leased quite a bit of their space to Boeing for 787 rework). Anyone with WN know if this is the case? I'm not aware of any other airframe servicer on the field, so I assume it's ATS...I know WN was sending birds there when it was still Goodrich.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 19):

N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714

Most likely N7714B, which Southwest has reserved. N7714 is already registered to somebody else.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 21):
Most likely N7714B, which Southwest has reserved. N7714 is already registered to somebody else.

Yes that's correct... N7114B
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:47 pm

From what I have heard and it's my understanding all but 18 or 20 FL 737-700 will go for conversion at a rate of 2 or 3 planes every 25 days starting in FEB. Along with the FL 737-700 conversions and 800 deliveries 1- 700 and 1- 800 will be used to replace 2 737-500 retirements every month starting FEB-DEC 2012 until all 25 737-500 are gone.Then starting JAN 2013 5 717-200 every 15 days will get a new seat lay out off 117 and WN paint. And now that the pilots are merging there work groups the first 717 retirement is not until 2017-18. Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737. For the FA's and PROVO the 717 will have the same 737-800 half cart's in the galleys for bevrage service.This will make it easy for the Provo agents to roll up to 717 or 800 and restock quickly without a need for another type of cart stocked on the trucks. That's all I have for rumors this month and to my good source of info and friend from HDQ after 30+ years at WN I hope you enjoy your retirement!!!! Your emails, phone calls and good times at spirit party's will be missed happy landings to were ever they may take you..wnfg   xoxo
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):
Then starting JAN 2013 5 717-200 every 15 days will get a new seat lay out off 117 and WN paint. And now that the pilots are merging there work groups the first 717 retirement is not until 2017-18. Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737.


I'd have to see it.

The paint scheme looks fine without SOUTHWEST.COM on the side.




from Alta Vista.com Images

[Edited 2012-01-07 18:33:44]
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:00 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 24):

I'd have to see it.

The paint scheme looks fine without SOUTHWEST.COM on the side.
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):
Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737

I can see that though.

When WN had the 727, another T Tail aircraft SOUTHWEST could not fit on the T Tail they had to move it to the Body of the Plane.



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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:16 am

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 19):

N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714

Yep!

Next FL Bird to convert will be

N302AT into N7702.

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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:28 am

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 19):
N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 26):
N302AT into N7702.

Ugh, this should be fun trying to figure out what type of a/c it is based on the tail number.  
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 27):

Quoting swalifebtw (Reply 19):
N300AT (33923/2083) will become N7714
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 26):
N302AT into N7702.

Ugh, this should be fun trying to figure out what type of a/c it is based on the tail number.  

If I had to guess, OTIS and all flight documentation (bin slips, flight packets, etc.) will utilize the new "ship numbers" which will be on the nose gear door and ignore the N numbers. So the only ones that will "suffer" are spotters, and you can still use the orange fairings for distinction between -300 and -700 frames!

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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:04 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):

From what I have heard and it's my understanding all but 18 or 20 FL 737-700 will go for conversion

Why are some of the FL birds not getting converted?
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 29):

18 to 20 737-700 will remain as FL and operated as FL on caribbean and Mexico routes for the next 2 or 3 years until the new WN reservation system is in place and all WN crews are trained on INT ops. wnfg
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 23):
Then starting JAN 2013 5 717-200 every 15 days will get a new seat lay out off 117 and WN paint. And now that the pilots are merging there work groups the first 717 retirement is not until 2017-18. Also with the 717 will have SOUTHWEST.COM along the fuselage instead of the tail like the 737.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 25):
When WN had the 727, another T Tail aircraft SOUTHWEST could not fit on the T Tail they had to move it to the Body of the Plane.

Having the SOUTHWEST titles along the fuselage will likely mean that the current sport-themed 717s will only receive a change in airline title decals in terms of the exterior... assuming that WN will continue with the sports teams arrangements that FL originally established/signed on.

Nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to eventually seeing 717s in WN colors, even if it is only for a few years.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 30):
18 to 20 737-700 will remain as FL and operated as FL on Caribbean and Mexico routes for the next 2 or 3 years until the new WN reservation system is in place and all WN crews are trained on INT ops. wnfg

So these will be "AirTran -- operated by Southwest" jets ?

If so, that makes a lot of sense.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
Converting from FL to WN would also mean taking out the XM radio and whatnot (at least I would think). A de-mod like that can take a while.

With my at-home satellite radio, you just take away the antenna, and it's dead as a door-nail.

No need for major surgery. The new seats simply won't have the XM tuners in their armrests.
The receiver module might also be removed to save weight.
 
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 33):
With my at-home satellite radio, you just take away the antenna, and it's dead as a door-nail.

No need for major surgery. The new seats simply won't have the XM tuners in their armrests.
The receiver module might also be removed to save weight.


Unlike your at home system, the remaining equipment in the airframe cost money in the form of fuel burn, due to the weight of the components still being aboard the aircraft.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 33):

No need for major surgery. The new seats simply won't have the XM tuners in their armrests.
The receiver module might also be removed to save weight.

Well..true the new seats won't have XM Radio but the current seats on FL won't either by the end of February. WN/FL is ripping XM out of every seat by Feb 28th, 2012.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 34):

Unlike your at home system, the remaining equipment in the airframe cost money in the form of fuel burn, due to the weight of the components still being aboard the aircraft.

Exactly! The whole reason why not only is WN deactivating the system, but taing the system out--weight reduction.
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RE: FL/WN Aircraft Conversion Schedule

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:28 pm

The last two FL flights on 737s MCO-MDW already had the XM out.

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