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TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:20 pm

The debate will go on if TPA can/will attract any more profitable int'l service, but the article says there will be major renovations to Airside F which is now the oldest, to bring it up to date. Also says some new construction on the ramp to accommodate simultaneous wide bodies which IMHO is always a good thing.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...-international-flights-fix/1209277
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:18 pm

Good to hear... I flew out of TPA for Christmas and it was easy to navigate, extremely clean and comfortable. The concourses have plenty of huge windows and high ceilings to let that Florida sun in. Great airport...
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:14 am

Why do Florida media refer to MCO and TPA as TIA and OIA?

Very weird. And in the case of MCO, you could build a following like LAX. It is unique and kinda cool.

The problem with TPA over the last 20 years is the growth of MCO. MCO has grown in leaps and bounds with both domestic and international traffic to accomodate the theme park growth. Remember, Universal didn't even exist until the early 90s.

If you have an intl carrier serving one airport, it is hard to get them to go to another close by. Yes, TPA is its own market, and is more of a city then Orlando, but it lives in the tourist shadow of Orlando.
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting from the article:

By fall, the Edelweiss and British Airways flights will arrive within an hour of each other at Airside F — which also handles domestic carriers such as American Airlines and US Airways, along with Cayman Airways, SkyKing and WestJet.

The Edelweiss flight is a twice-a-week service. There are two large-capacity baggage belts underneath Airside F. This should suffice for now.

The renovations, subject to approval by the Hillsborough County Aviation Authority board, would expand the international baggage claim area at Airside F and the security area upstairs.

The renovation is certainly needed at the security checkpoints. The airside has been mostly quiet in the past decade since US's big pulldown in TPA, but now growing again with WS & the int'l charter. This will also involve dismantling the former Gate F76 ramp, which previously led to the jetway when it was there, and converting to extra checkpoints & TSA offices.

The airport once had bigger plans: Move all international flights to a new $1 billion North Terminal by 2015. But those plans were shelved until at least 2023 because the economic downturn has decreased passenger counts over the past four years.

This proposed moving Customs/Immigration & int'l baggage claim to the landside via a walkway. I would have preferred a separate monorail partitioned from domestic travelelrs.

It's also good TPA is holding off on the North Terminal expansion for now. I think there is still opportunity to maximize space at the existing terminal. I still think Airside B should be re-built, and Airside A should have a baggage sort facility incorporated where the customs/immigration area would have been - it's just empty space now.
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:37 am

A positive outlook is always good to have, however, be careful what you wish for. "More European carriers to TPA" may also mean giving BA reasons to call it a day, at some point. I wouldn't want to trade in BA for some charter operations...

With fuel prices going up once again, it's just less and less viable for flights like these. You can almost get to any major city on the planet from TPA on a single connection.

The improvements are needed though. But let's be realistic about landing more international flights at TPA.

Granted, it's a large metropolitan area including Clearwater, St. Petersburg and others, but it doesn't have the int'l travel mass MCO has. TPA is kinda stuck in the middle, sizewise (like PIT, STL, PHX etc.) but also geographically (MCO and MIA).

[Edited 2012-01-06 19:58:31]
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 2):
Why do Florida media refer to MCO and TPA as TIA and OIA?

Don't know about MCO, but most residents in the Tampa Bay area refer to TPA as TIA(Tampa International Airport)
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 3):
It's also good TPA is holding off on the North Terminal expansion for now. I think there is still opportunity to maximize space at the existing terminal. I still think Airside B should be re-built, and Airside A should have a baggage sort facility incorporated where the customs/immigration area would have been - it's just empty space now.

Yes, and what a waste that the airport authority took the federal money to build roads and infrastructure for a North terminal that might never be needed. I suspect if it is built in 2025, the roads/etc will have to be redone or redesigned and the money spent will have been a waste.

There was a discussion on here before about redoing B, but HCAA is dead against it because they think the landside building is maxxed out. Speaking of which, the landside updates look great.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 4):
Granted, it's a large metropolitan area including Clearwater, St. Petersburg and others, but it doesn't have the int'l travel mass MCO has. TPA is kinda stuck in the middle, sizewise (like PIT, STL, PHX etc.) but also geographically (MCO and MIA).

Exactly, I don't think there is that much additional demand for international flights. I would expect the BA flight to go to LHR if there was strong demand for connections overseas. Edelweiss will last just long enough to use the subsidies up. I believe the recent blowup over the lack of international flights was just posturing to push out Louis Miller, who landed on his feet managing the ATL airport.

TPA is a nice airport, a great one really. The whole area is better off not making it something that it is not, which is a large international airport. Better to spend the time and dollars chasing some LatAm/Caribbean flying (Cuba comes to mind).
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting moman (Reply 6):
Yes, and what a waste that the airport authority took the federal money to build roads and infrastructure for a North terminal that might never be needed. I suspect if it is built in 2025, the roads/etc will have to be redone or redesigned and the money spent will have been a waste.

They took the money to build a taxiway bridge, where do you see new roads?
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:26 pm

For the same reason that everyone in the Denver area media included calls it DIA. Most people dont know the codes or care
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting moman (Reply 6):

How can it be maxed out, the landside terminal was originally built to accomodate 6 airsides
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 2):

Probably due fact they use appreviations TIA, Tampa International Airport and OIA , Orlando International Airport. If you are like me and have read many articles that journalist have posted about various airlines. They make some real big errors
I recently read an article about Piedmont where the author wrote that Pidemotn flew 50 seat reginal jets. I sent him an email since his email was posted and he actually replied to me that he researched and found out that the info was wrong and corrected his post.
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting moman (Reply 6):
There was a discussion on here before about redoing B, but HCAA is dead against it because they think the landside building is maxxed out.

Here is a link to the TPA Master Plan - Terminal Planning section from 2005 (caution: 37 MB / 277 pages - might take a moment to upload):

http://www.tampaairport.com/airport_business/master_plan/final_documents/Tampa-Master-Plan-Update-Volume-III.pdf

Here are some blueprints for potential expansion:

Page 143 - Shuttle platform relocations

Page 146 / 147 / 148 - Before and After planning blueprints of the Level 2 ticket counters extenstion

Pages 151 / 152 / 153 - Before and After planning blueprints of the Leve 1 baggage claim extension (some of the phases have already occured)
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting moman (Reply 6):
Yes, and what a waste that the airport authority took the federal money to build roads and infrastructure for a North terminal that might never be needed. I suspect if it is built in 2025, the roads/etc will have to be redone or redesigned and the money spent will have been a waste.

Not sure what you mean, I don't recall any new roads and the old cargo ramp is still there, just not used...are your referring to the employee parking area?

Quoting moman (Reply 6):
TPA is a nice airport, a great one really. The whole area is better off not making it something that it is not, which is a large international airport. Better to spend the time and dollars chasing some LatAm/Caribbean flying (Cuba comes to mind).

As a local, I don't want to agree with you, but you are correct. Domestic growth is welcomed too.
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 12):
Not sure what you mean, I don't recall any new roads and the old cargo ramp is still there, just not used...are your referring to the employee parking area?


As b757capt above stated, it's the entrance roads from Hillsborough Ave to the "future north terminal", which involved building a taxiway bridge over this road that is not needed today, is not in use today, and as such only the bridge would be needed if the north terminal complex is built.
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting moman (Reply 13):
it's the entrance roads from Hillsborough Ave

10-4. That bridge does go over the road that is used by the employees' busses. Not the best use of money IMHO, but I do remember a news "investigation" that made it a huge ordeal that the busses actually drove "on the tarmac next to jetliners"...
 
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting moman (Reply 13):
As b757capt above stated, it's the entrance roads from Hillsborough Ave to the "future north terminal", which involved building a taxiway bridge over this road that is not needed today, is not in use today, and as such only the bridge would be needed if the north terminal complex is built.

Wait a second. The only "new" road built was not a road it was a taxiway bridge. It was built so that all non aircraft ramp traffic could pass without being in the line of an aircraft. This is the main entrance to Air Freight, employee parking, and PEMCO hangers from the actual center of the airport. This project was LONG over due. There is not a single part of this project sitting empty and waiting as it sounded above.

The International Terminal is dead and no work has been done for this area. This is the main reason why the old air freight facility is still in place and not demolished.
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:50 pm

Question, when did they build that new mall adjacent to the airport, Seems too close as it inhibits the ability of the airport to expand. Looks nice, Nordstrom, Neiman Marcus etc..
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:49 pm

Hmmmmmm....I want to say 9/10/11 years ago.....airport land if I recall.......well, at least the NFL team moved.
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RE: TPA Expansion/Reno For Airside F

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:56 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
when did they build that new mall adjacent to the airport

It opened the weekend just after 9/11/01, it was a golf course prior to that. It is the nicest in town but it is to the southeast of the airfield. Plenty of land has been bought that is east of the hangars (Drew Park area) that is in the master plan. Also, I *think* there is room on the west side for a third north/south runway. Driving along the Veteran's/60 it appears there are the same anchor pilings "ready" for the landing light structure, similar to the one that currently goes above the roadway for 1L.

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