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US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:26 am

Looks like US is axing its seasonal PHL-ANC flt next summer. I was told by a good source it will not be returning. Bummer, I never got to work this flt. I am guessing low yeilds. Frankly, I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:33 am

It's just hard to imagine US being successful in this corridor. I understand connections, but they probably can just route those people over UA via one of their gateways and save themselves the expense of such a long flight?

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:37 am

They can also route them through their PHX hub .
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:45 am

It was worth a try. Although if I am correct a 752 etops was used on the route. With the European expansion (pretty much from CLT) maybe they felt the 752 could be better suited on a European route or much closer to home where it can be subbed for a another aircraft that goes mtc.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:48 am

Bummer. The East coast will be left without a nonstop flight to Anchorage, I believe. DL no longer operates ATL/CVG-ANC.
The route did fine load wise, but the yields weren't great I'm told. CO had the same problem on EWR-ANC.

It seems that US has bad luck on PHL-West Coast routes (ANC isn't technically on the West Coast). PHL-YVR only lasted a season, and I hear US does better on CLT-SMF/PDX than PHL-SMF/PDX.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:56 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
It seems that US has bad luck on PHL-West Coast routes (ANC isn't technically on the West Coast). PHL-YVR only lasted a season, and I hear US does better on CLT-SMF/PDX than PHL-SMF/PDX.

Interesting, I think someone on one of the threads about new service said that PHL-PDX will go year round before CLT-PDX does

YVR isn't that widely served from the east coast. I can only think of AC from EWR and Cathay from JFK. CO, UA, and DL all don't serve YVR from their east coast hubs. DL may be seasonal, I'm not sure.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):

It's just hard to imagine US being successful in this corridor.

As I understand, they have been pretty successful on the PHX flights.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:01 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Bummer. The East coast will be left without a nonstop flight to Anchorage, I believe. DL no longer operates ATL/CVG-ANC.
The route did fine load wise, but the yields weren't great I'm told. CO had the same problem on EWR-ANC.

It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP or one of the western/ NW cities.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:22 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
As I understand, they have been pretty successful on the PHX flights.

Ya, that route seems to do well. PHL just seems a bridge too far.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP or one of the western/ NW cities.

Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor. MSP used to have at least 4 (!) 757s to ANC. Daily. And a couple to Fairbanks..
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor. MSP used to have at least 4 (!) 757s to ANC. Daily. And a couple to Fairbanks..

For many years, NW was the primary carrier to Alaska. In the SEA-ANC corridor, it was them, Western, Alaska, and Wien, and Northwest would even throw a 747 on occasionally and of course countless DC10's. They owned many of the markets to Alaska.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:05 am

I know ANC is huge on cargo, but what about Pax wise how many airlines serve ANC all year round and from where ? To me it seems ANC and Alaska is a forgotten part of the US.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:32 am

I wouldn't call it forgotten at all. I was at ANC a few years ago and it was surprisingly busy. Yes it was during the summer, but still. UA and US are all year, and AS obviously.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:46 am

What about in the winter is ANC still busy ?
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:58 am

I also forgot DL to SLC. It's not "busy" like ATL, but who really wants to go to ANC in the winter?  
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
For many years, NW was the primary carrier to Alaska. In the SEA-ANC corridor, it was them, Western, Alaska, and Wien, and Northwest would even throw a 747 on occasionally and of course countless DC10's. They owned many of the markets to Alaska.

Certainly that had something to do with ANC being a refueling "hub" for the Asian routes.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
It was worth a try. Although if I am correct a 752 etops was used on the route. With the European expansion (pretty much from CLT) maybe they felt the 752 could be better suited on a European route or much closer to home where it can be subbed for a another aircraft that goes mtc.

Thought the same thing!
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:19 pm

This can probably be chalked up to the aircraft being able to make more money elsewhere and the fact that anyone who really wants to get to Alaska can probably do so fairly easily via AS and their codeshare arrangements at this point...they've got a pretty decent presence on the east coast at this point (albeit, not in PHL) and SEA isn't at all a terribly inconvenient transit point, especially considering the fact that you have more options than just ANC...better for US to stick this bird somewhere with higher yields (i.e. Europe, as others have speculated)
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
I think someone on one of the threads about new service said that PHL-PDX will go year round before CLT-PDX does

In the past, CLT-PDX has started earlier than PHL-PDX, and ended later than PHL-PDX. CLT-PDX has also operated with a A321, I don't know if PHL-PDX has. This year, they both op with a A320, and start and end together. (May 3-August 20).

IIRC, US ran PHL-PDX year round and then switched it to seasonal service.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
It's a very long flight relative to what people are willing to pay vs taking a connection through MSP
Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
Yes, NW DL probably still owns the NE to Alaska corridor.

Don't forget the summer seasonal DTW-ANC too.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:58 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 5):
YVR isn't that widely served from the east coast. I can only think of AC from EWR and Cathay from JFK. CO, UA, and DL all don't serve YVR from their east coast hubs. DL may be seasonal, I'm not sure.


Only AC operate YVR to EWR and CX to JFK on a year-round basis. UA flies to EWR seasonally, which is an old CO route. DL does ATL-YVR also on a seasonal basis. CP used to operate to BOS from YVR and I believe IAD, though that one may have been AC.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 20):
Don't forget the summer seasonal DTW-ANC too.

DL has not loaded DTW-ANC for this summer as of yet.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
In the past, CLT-PDX has started earlier than PHL-PDX, and ended later than PHL-PDX. CLT-PDX has also operated with a A321, I don't know if PHL-PDX has. This year, they both op with a A320, and start and end together. (May 3-August 20).

CLT-PDX will actually start on 18Apr this year (on a less than daily basis), which is the earliest seasonal start date for the route. Historically, CLT/PHL have either started on the same date or PHL has started earlier.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):


IIRC, US ran PHL-PDX year round and then switched it to seasonal service.

That is correct. PHL-PDX was announced as year-round back in 2006, but after the first winter, it was switched to a seasonal only route. The end dates have been tweaked somewhat, but it has generally started in May each year. In fact, it was actually operate twice daily during summer 2008.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):
DL has not loaded DTW-ANC for this summer as of yet.

Ah. I never bothered to look, assuming it'd be back.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 22):
CLT-PDX will actually start on 18Apr this year (on a less than daily basis), which is the earliest seasonal start date for the route. Historically, CLT/PHL have either started on the same date or PHL has started earlier.

That makes sense regarding the dates. I'm assuming the flights become daily on May 3rd then? And regarding the start/end dates, could I have SMF mixed up with PDX or I'm I just confused? 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:10 am

Operating Alaska from PHL makes no sense for US.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:26 am

I never fully understood this route, I guess they wanted to experiment and see if the route worked out.
They can just route people through PHX now, this route has operated from the PHX hubb for years now since back in the HP days. A couple of summer ago they even upgraded the flight to a 757, I think last summer it was opb Airbus equipment.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 14):

In December of 2010 I flew MSP-ANC and ANC-SLC on 738's and they were both packed.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 26):
I never fully understood this route, I guess they wanted to experiment and see if the route worked out.
They can just route people through PHX now, this route has operated from the PHX hubb for years now since back in the HP days. A couple of summer ago they even upgraded the flight to a 757, I think last summer it was opb Airbus equipment.

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The ran the 757s back in July/August 2007. The last couple of summers and during the peak travel season in December, they run 2 daily flights on A319s (often times the later departure is an A320 in the summer). They've even used A321s to clear cargo backlogs in years past, although in those cases the plane is only sold to about 2/3rd capacity.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:55 am

Didn't US use to fly LAS-ANC too?
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:19 am

LAS had flights to ANC back in the days of the hub /focus city. 1 daily flight if I rememer correctly.

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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:33 am

I'd assumed this route started not only as a bit of an experiment, but also due to the availability of an extra ETOPS 757, either because they didn't get a slot somewhere they wanted to use one in Europe or because of the cancellation of a route (PHL-OSL?). Do we have any idea where this East 757 will be used instead?
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:29 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 31):
I'd assumed this route started not only as a bit of an experiment, but also due to the availability of an extra ETOPS 757, either because they didn't get a slot somewhere they wanted to use one in Europe or because of the cancellation of a route (PHL-OSL?). Do we have any idea where this East 757 will be used instead?

I think it might be replacing the 767 on PHL-DUB.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:01 am

Why ETOPS on PHL-ANC? Most of it is over land, or is it due to the lack of airports on that land? I can't think of anywhere outside of SFO or OAK that could be that much overwater to ANC.
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:27 am

Quoting beardown91737 (Reply 33):
Why ETOPS on PHL-ANC? Most of it is over land, or is it due to the lack of airports on that land? I can't think of anywhere outside of SFO or OAK that could be that much overwater to ANC.

I don't think they are saying it needs an ETOPS 757. I guess people are saying it to say that is the type of aircraft operating the flight, however all of the 757s at US are ETOPS

Last summer US was supposed to operate 2x CLT-FRA but couldn't get the slot so it only operated at the normal 1x, this summer though we supposedly secured the slot so I guess maybe this is why no PHL-ANC because the 757 will be needed to go to Europe, freeing up an aircraft to do CLT-FRA. The summer schedule overlay is loaded yet, but i looked at an old thread and when US announced this route for Summer 2011 they did it in Dec 2010. So I would guess that etops1s good source is probably a good source.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:52 pm

What was the distance / flight times on PHL-ANC? Is this a longer segment than some of the PHL-Europe routes?

Either way, this flight eats up a lot of aircraft time.
 
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 36):
What was the distance / flight times on PHL-ANC? Is this a longer segment than some of the PHL-Europe routes?

Either way, this flight eats up a lot of aircraft time.

It was essentially the same as a TA flight.

PHL-ANC 3379mi
PHL-DUB 3272mi
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RE: US To Discontinue PHL-ANC Next Summer 2012.

Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 34):
Quoting beardown91737 (Reply 33):
Why ETOPS on PHL-ANC? Most of it is over land, or is it due to the lack of airports on that land? I can't think of anywhere outside of SFO or OAK that could be that much overwater to ANC.

I don't think they are saying it needs an ETOPS 757. I guess people are saying it to say that is the type of aircraft operating the flight, however all of the 757s at US are ETOPS

Last summer US was supposed to operate 2x CLT-FRA but couldn't get the slot so it only operated at the normal 1x, this summer though we supposedly secured the slot so I guess maybe this is why no PHL-ANC because the 757 will be needed to go to Europe, freeing up an aircraft to do CLT-FRA. The summer schedule overlay is loaded yet, but i looked at an old thread and when US announced this route for Summer 2011 they did it in Dec 2010. So I would guess that etops1s good source is probably a good source.
Quoting wn676 (Reply 32):
Quoting PHLwok (Reply 31):
I'd assumed this route started not only as a bit of an experiment, but also due to the availability of an extra ETOPS 757, either because they didn't get a slot somewhere they wanted to use one in Europe or because of the cancellation of a route (PHL-OSL?). Do we have any idea where this East 757 will be used instead?

I think it might be replacing the 767 on PHL-DUB.

it does show phl-dub being served with a 757...as opposed to the attempt last year to serve clt-fra twice daily....one with an airbus 333 and one with boeing 767....this year...they are going to try to serve them with an a332...and a333....normallly CLT-CDG is a 332....but this year its being shown as a 767....so i guess they are using the clt-cdg 332 for the additional clt-fra...and pulling the phl-dub 767 to work clt-cdg...and placing the 757 phl-anc on phl-dub

right now once summer 2012 is over its showing clt-cdg back on a 332...so this must be what they are doing...

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