JosephJarvis
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Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:49 am

Hi everyone,

Virgin Atlantic used to serve BOS (VS011/VS012) and EWR (VS017/VS018) from London Gatwick with 747s. I have taken a look through various pages on the website below, which I found to be very useful:

http://www.lhr-lgw.co.uk/

It shows on several pages that the Boston/Newark flights, which operated in 2000 and 2001, arrived early in the morning and departed mid-afternoon (15:00/16:00). Sometimes the same aircraft was used, sometimes not.
If the same aircraft that came in as the early morning flight from BOS/EWR was the same aircraft that operated the mid-afternoon departing flight on the same day to BOS/EWR, was it towed to a remote stand and then towed back to the terminal later that day?

What I'm trying to find out is the scheduled departure and arrival times of the BOS and EWR flights in 2000 and 2001 at LGW and whether they were daily flights or not?

I would very much appreciate it if anyone knows anything about this or has any of this information?

Thank you for your time.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:27 am

I flew the BOS-LGW route in Dec 99 and also in Dec 2000. Very early arrivals in Gatwick ... around 6:30 AM or so. Flight back from UK was around 1:30 PM if I recall correctly ... reaching BOS around 3:20 PM. I remember LGW had all those HSBC painted bridges even then. VS was considered one of the best TATL services then ... with those tiny IFE screens in Y class. 
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:32 am

The departure times varied but the BOS or EWR flights were usually the last to depart from the LGW operation. EWR was usually 13:00 or 13:30 and BOS 15:00.

At the time there was more flexibility with the turns at LGW as all of the flights could be operated with one aircraft, so turn times at LGW were higher. Usually, the BOS and EWR flights would turn off one of the MCO trips ( sometimes caribbean, but they all arrived early morning aswell) but they could spend the morning on the ground if mx was required. In this instance they would probably tow off to a remote, but again, not necessarily!

Ultimately, the LGW operation was all interchangeable. There were some minor config differences at the time, but not enough to impact flexibility
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 2):

Thanks for your reply. Was the 15:00 LGW-BOS service a daily service? Also do you know what time it arrived into LGW?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:33 pm

Miami was also an "old" Gatwick route.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Miami was also an "old" Gatwick route.

You're quite right, it was indeed. Was this a daily flight and do you know the departure and arrival times at LGW of the Miami flight?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Also don't forget LAX. An interesting website that might interest you, that could help you:

http://www.gatwickaviationsociety.org.uk/log_search.asp
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 6):
Also don't forget LAX. An interesting website that might interest you, that could help you:

I thought that LAX was one of the first routes VS moved to Heathrow not long after it started
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:46 pm

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 7):
I thought that LAX was one of the first routes VS moved to Heathrow not long after it started

Actually yeah sorry I think your right, my mistake.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 3):

It was generally daily, and arrived back into LGW just after 7am, although this did move around slightly
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 9):
It was generally daily, and arrived back into LGW just after 7am, although this did move around slightly

I see, that's helpful, thank you. Did the 15:00 departure time to BOS move around slightly as well or was it always 15:00?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:34 am

They also serve SFO 4x weekly from LGW to compliment their LHR daily service.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:49 am

I flew VS's Maiden Japan LGW-JFK after taking the QE2 over back in the 90's sometime. Late arrival into JFK, like 9pm.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 10):
I see, that's helpful, thank you. Did the 15:00 departure time to BOS move around slightly as well or was it always 15:00?

As far as I remember it was mostly a 15:00 departure, but I believe there were also times it went at 15:15, and sometimes earlier.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:26 am

They definitely used to fly MIA as well at some point (I'm assuming in the Summer). I remember flying with them to UVF in summer 2004 (when they used to be a half-decent airline!) and MIA was checking-in alongside us.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:46 am

They did fly LGW-MIA from the late 80's until the late 90's.....sorry, I'm a bit vague on the exact dates.

When the flight moved up to LHR it initially had to operate from T2 (as did the IAD flight for a while).. G12 was the gate used, as it was one of only a couple at the time that coult accommodate a B747. Later on the newer Europier gates were used.

In the past, LGW has seen EWR, JFK, BOS, MIA, LAX, NRT, NAS, SFO and PHC flights. Today, only MCO and LAS remain to the U.S.

LGW has however seen gradual expansion overall. Caribbean destinations include ANU, BGI, UVF, TAB, GND, HAV, MBJ and KIN (soon to be replaced by CUN)
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 11):

Hi,

Do you know the departure and arrival times of the San Francisco flight at LGW?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 15):
When the flight moved up to LHR it initially had to operate from T2 (as did the IAD flight for a while).. G12 was the gate used, as it was one of only a couple at the time that could accommodate a B747. Later on the newer Europier gates were used

They ARRIVED at Terminal Two, I think the BOS did this at one time as well, all departures were from T3. Remember seeing the B747 on that gate   Did they really use the EuroPier? I don't remember that at all, that's Terminal One territory.
I could be wrong, but I don't recall SFO ever being at LGW, was it not launched from LHR post the move in 1991?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:58 pm

There was a period where flights arrived at T2 and got towed for a T3 departure, but there were also at least two summers when there were T2 departures. Once capacity allowed they moved over to T3

The LGW flight was the VS41/42 (hence the additional LHR-SFO flights taking the same flight numbers) This was when the VS43 operated 4 x weekly and the VS41 operated on the other 3 days. The departure time was around 12:30, arriving back into LGW around 11:30.

I took the VS41 a couple of times. B747-200, G-VSSS. Just refitted after delivery from NZ. Great big comfortable old fashioned upper class seats, and at the time a still competitive odyssey IFE.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 18):

I took the VS41 a couple of times. B747-200, G-VSSS. Just refitted after delivery from NZ. Great big comfortable old fashioned upper class seats, and at the time a still competitive odyssey IFE.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 19):

No. They were the recaro seats that were inherited with the cancelled AZ frames. The upper class seat fitted to the ex CX/NZ B742s were the same as the ones fitted to the A340s and B744s at the time. Not dissimilar, but more comfortable with better recline and adjustment.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:52 pm

I flew VS011/012 a number of times back then. Departure from Boston was I believe 8:20 PM for an arrival at LGW at about 8:00 AM (though we often arrived earlier). Once or twice we arrived so early that we had to wait for the agents in the passport control/customs area.

The return left LGW at 3 PM for most of the time I was regularly using this service, arriving in Boston around 5 PM. The main reason I flew with Virgin was specifically because the flight went to Gatwick. Once they moved the Boston flights to Heathrow, there was no great advantange to me in using Virgin.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 20):
Not dissimilar, but more comfortable with better recline and adjustment.

Okay. I got a flight back from MCO years ago with these purple seats, and I had the cabin to myself, felt like the PM.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:32 am

I do have the VS timetables from those years but unfortunately they are in Boston while I am in NYC now. Anyway, if memory serves me right, VS11 from LGW was departing around 1:30pm back then as ASA mentions earlier in the thread. It was not until after 9/11 when the BOS flight moved to LHR that the departure times were gradually moved later in afternoon. As far as I remember, the return flight VS12 has always been departing between 7:25pm and 8:25pm.

VS11 in 1998 when I first flew it departed LGW at 11:15am or so. I believe the service has been daily at least since then.

For the Summer of 2003 VS planned additional seasonal BOS service VS53/54 from LGW in addition to the regular VS11/12 from LHR. Tickets were sold but it never happened.


EDIT: I just found the Winter 99/00 timetable online (along with others) and VS11 was leaving LGW at 2:00pm.

http://airchive.com/html/timetable-a...-ireland/virgin-atlantic-2000/7328

[Edited 2012-01-09 20:47:41]
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:57 am

I did not know VS had ever re-allocated flight numbers, was out of circualtion for a bit in my uni years!
VS041 / 042 LGW-SFO?
VS043 / 044 LHR-SFO ? This is now LGW-LAS with VS019 / 020 on LHR-SFO.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:41 pm

Somewhat earlier in the summer of 1995 VS operated LGW-BOS (VS11) with a scheduled departure at 1500 hrs and arrival at 1710. This was a seven-days-a-week 747 flight. The return flight (VS12) was scheduled to depart at 2020 hrs and arrive at 0750 the following morning.

There was no VS flight between LGW and EWR at that time. That route was only operated by CO in 1995.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:01 am

In August 2000:

VS 17 daily 747 lv LGW 1300 arr EWR 1540
VS 18 lv 1830 arr 0610

VS 11 daily 747 lv LGW 1500 arr BOS 1710
VS 12 lv 2020 arr 0750

In Sept 2001 all times the same; only change is flights 17/18 now 744.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:33 pm

Has the Orlando departures from Gatwick (VS027/VS015) always been 11:15 and 12:30?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 27):
Has the Orlando departures from Gatwick (VS027/VS015) always been 11:15 and 12:30?

According to the ABC World Airways Guide the VS015 departure from LGW was at 12:30 back in April 1995. There was no VS027 listed at that time.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:53 pm

I flew VS012 BOS-LGW in Feb 2001. Flight was 744 at that time, but I do remember a very early arrival into LGW. (Flew CO LGW-EWR-BOS codeshare with VS).

The timings on VS11/12 now out of LHR are very similar, at least when I flew the route. Dep LHR 1430, Dep BOS 1940. This was a few years back now however.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 14):
Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 5):

VS 006 which is stil the flight number for the MIA-LHR flight they do now. I flew on this flight round trip I'm the summer of 2003. So they were flying to LGW from MIA till at lesst then. Not sure when it was switched to LHR. I remember the flight left around 3:30-4:30pm from MIA in the E concourse right next to the DFW 777 flight AA used to have. I remember arriving early morning around 6:30am or so in LGW I remember clearly waiting in baggage claim next to passengers from AA flights from RDU, STL, DFW and a VS MCO flight.

Departure from LGW must have been around 11-12ish, we left right after breakfast to the airport arriving around 2pm i am guessing. VS has been flying MIA-LGW/LHR for over 20 years or so, so I am sure time changes have occurred. Back in 2003 it was most certainly a daily year round flight.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 24):
VS041 / 042 LGW-SFO?
VS043 / 044 LHR-SFO ? This is now LGW-LAS with VS019 / 020 on LHR-SFO.

And VS 41/42 makes a comeback this year as the second SFO flight.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:11 pm

When did Virgin Atlantic begin services from Gatwick to Las Vegas?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:21 pm

I wasn't aware VS had even changed an US-London flight numbers which is why I was surprised LAS got the old SFO numbers.


Google says http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...ffice/pressreleases/news/vegas.jsp June 2000 for LGW-LAS



[Edited 2012-01-12 05:24:37]
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 32):

When did Virgin Atlantic begin services from Gatwick to Las Vegas?

June 2000, as the first scheduled flight from London to LAS, BA followed many years later. Started as 3x weekly and went 4x weekly in 2003 or 2004, then to 7x later on.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:23 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 34):

Thanks for the reply.

What time did the flight to Las Vegas depart Gatwick and arrive back at Gatwick in 2000? Also did the departure and arrival times at LGW stay the same through until 2003/2004?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 33):

LAS didn't get the old SFO flight numbers.

The original SFO service, which used LHR, has always been the VS019/020.

The second SFO service, from LGW, launched at the same time as LAS. SFO was VS041/042. LAS was, and still is, VS043/044

The VS043 has always left at @11:00 ( currently 11:25) and arrived in LAS around 14:00

The VS044 has always left between 16:00 and 16:40 ( I believe it is currently 16:40) and arrives at LGW around 10:30. This aircraft always turns to operate the VS015 to MCO, which is the main reason it was moved from 12:30 to 13:00 a few years ago ( and to allow some spacing between the VS27, VS75 arrivals at MCO)
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Old LGW Routes (EWR, BOS)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 36):

Thanks for the reply.

What would happen if the Las Vegas flight (VS044) wasn't able to operate the Orlando flight (VS015) because of a late arrival or something? Would they have to use another aircraft and then tow the Las Vegas 747 to a remote stand, as VS015 I thought was the last Virgin Atlantic service of the day and so the aircraft wouldn't be needed for any more flights that day - although I stand to be corrected on that.

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