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New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:06 am

I am not sure if I should put the word "unconfirmed" in the title since I have not found the announcement in the Ryanair website yet but...

Ryanair appear to have announced Pafos Airport in Cyprus (PFO) as their new base with services to European destinations starting in April 2012.

The proposed routes include Patra, Chania, Frankfurt Hahn, Kaunas, Krakow, Stansted, Memmingen, Bergamo, Oslo, Pisa, Rome, Stockholm, Thessaloniki and Treviso.

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http://www.incyprus.com.cy/en-gb/Top...ries-News/4342/24938/ryanair-boost

http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/services/454228 (Greek)
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:52 am

Yes its on the website. Well done Cyprus! will be great success i'm sure.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:54 am

It's now official!

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...-big-50-with-base-at-paphos-cyprus

This is likely to be another nail in Cyprus Airways coffin!
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:54 am

Not sure about CY as a whole but I can't see Cyprus Airways newly launched STN flights lasting beyond summer

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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:55 am

Like I said in my previous post this is quite impressive and I hope it doesn't affect their operations out of Larnaca.

Also, for quite some time now they were cooperating with Amathus Travel and the European Union in bringing Europeans older than 55 years to Paphos for holidays. Half of their package was paid by the EU in order to prevent the city closing down in winter.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:05 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 2):
This is likely to be another nail in Cyprus Airways coffin!

I don't think Cyprus Airways will be too bothered with this. If anything they will be happy about it. Recently Cyprus Airways was criticized by Paphos for wanting to cancel the stops there on its European flights.

Cyprus Airways had stated that it's just hurting them and that they are losing money with those stops. With the A330-200s gone and with the possibility of canceling these stops we might actually see Cyprus Airways come close to making money.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:39 am

Good news for Cyprus!
It is clear that FR targets various market segments with their proposed destinations:
Greece is purely for VFR & students
East Europe is mostly for immigrants & some incoming tourism
Italy/Germany/Nordics purely for incoming tourism
STN is a good mix of inbound & outbound tourism, VFR, students
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 3):
Not sure about CY as a whole but I can't see Cyprus Airways newly launched STN flights lasting beyond summer

CY cancelled their weekly flight to STN around May 2011, and upset lots of expats who depended on it, have they reinstated it as their website doesn't mention STN at all ?

having visited Paphos recently they can certainly do with the increased traffic, the economy is not good at all there, lots of property half built with 40% price reductions, and half empty bars. Even McDonalds has shut down.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:27 pm

How do Ryanair call this airport?

Tel Aviv - West or Athens-East?   

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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 8):
How do Ryanair call this airport?

Tel Aviv - West or Athens-East?

To really upset the locals - "Istanbul South"   
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 8):
How do Ryanair call this airport?

Tel Aviv - West or Athens-East?

Most passengers will know Paphos better than Tel Aviv or Athens...
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:48 pm

Cool and nice to hear. Will be good to search for fares once routes are bookable.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:51 pm

Cyprus, and especially Paphos is a holiday destination. I have serious doubts they will sell many seats between October-April.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 12):
Cyprus, and especially Paphos is a holiday destination. I have serious doubts they will sell many seats between October-April.

They will because they are bringing older people for holidays. Half of their package is paid by the European Union which means that these older people have to pay about €200/250 which is not bad at all.

I am surprised they have not added any destination in Finland since there are a lot of Finns there.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
CY cancelled their weekly flight to STN around May 2011, and upset lots of expats who depended on it, have they reinstated it as their website doesn't mention STN at all ?

Try booking on CY webpage and you will find STN in the from/to drop-down lists.

The flight is operating twice weekly at the moment and is to go 3 times per week from April.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 12):
Cyprus, and especially Paphos is a holiday destination. I have serious doubts they will sell many seats between October-April.

Want a bet? Tell Easyjet that. In the WInter they operate it most days of the week ex MAN (sometimes twice daily) and everyday ex LGW (sometimes twice a day). There is large ex pat community there, the associated VFR traffic, aswell as a steady stream of military personnel. Add in tourists who come here during the Winter (the LCA end of the Island effectively closes in Winter) and it makes for quite a busy route all year round.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 8):
How do Ryanair call this airport?

Tel Aviv - West or Athens-East?

To really upset the locals - "Istanbul South"

To get the full gringo effect, they'll go with "Constantinople South"!   
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):

CY cancelled their weekly flight to STN around May 2011, and upset lots of expats who depended on it, have they reinstated it as their website doesn't mention STN at all ?

having visited Paphos recently they can certainly do with the increased traffic, the economy is not good at all there, lots of property half built with 40% price reductions, and half empty bars. Even McDonalds has shut down.

Off topic but .. Cyprus Airways operated 2 flights into Luton on Sunday.. one arrived from LHR and the other from MAN.. still cant figure out whats going on there. Wonder if we will see Cyprus operating flights back at Luton after a LONNNNG abscence.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:14 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 14):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
CY cancelled their weekly flight to STN around May 2011, and upset lots of expats who depended on it, have they reinstated it as their website doesn't mention STN at all ?

Try booking on CY webpage and you will find STN in the from/to drop-down lists.

The flight is operating twice weekly at the moment and is to go 3 times per week from April.

Nothing at all on their website for STN-PFO, they did however reinstate STN-LCA twice weekly going up to x3, and there is a news item on there for this. My uncle is flying Luton - PFO today on U2 as CY would only offer him LCA !!!
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 17):

Off topic but .. Cyprus Airways operated 2 flights into Luton on Sunday.. one arrived from LHR and the other from MAN.. still cant figure out whats going on there. Wonder if we will see Cyprus operating flights back at Luton after a LONNNNG abscence.

I doubt Cyprus Airways would launch Luton any time soon. They do a lot of charters so I suppose that is why you saw them there.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 18):

Nothing at all on their website for STN-PFO, they did however reinstate STN-LCA twice weekly going up to x3, and there is a news item on there for this. My uncle is flying Luton - PFO today on U2 as CY would only offer him LCA !!!

I think he was referring to Cyprus Airways' flight from Larnaca to Stansted.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 18):

Nothing at all on their website for STN-PFO, they did however reinstate STN-LCA twice weekly going up to x3, and there is a news item on there for this. My uncle is flying Luton - PFO today on U2 as CY would only offer him LCA !!!

I think he was referring to Cyprus Airways' flight from Larnaca to Stansted.

So do I, but the entire thread is about Pafos, so LCA is rather irrelevant.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:53 pm

I know many people who wouldn't mind being based there! 50 Ryanair bases, quite an achievement.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 20):
So do I, but the entire thread is about Pafos, so LCA is rather irrelevant.

Actually it's not, especially in a small country like Cyprus. Between Larnaca and Paphos is the city of Limassol with its 230.000 inhabitants. Cyprus Airways might lose a lot of customers to Ryanair for flights to the United Kingdom and Greece.
Not to mention that now a lot of people from Paphos (66.000 inhabitants) have a good alternative to travelling to Larnaca everytime they need to fly somewhere.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 22):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 20):So do I, but the entire thread is about Pafos, so LCA is rather irrelevant.
Actually it's not, especially in a small country like Cyprus. Between Larnaca and Paphos is the city of Limassol with its 230.000 inhabitants. Cyprus Airways might lose a lot of customers to Ryanair for flights to the United Kingdom and Greece.
Not to mention that now a lot of people from Paphos (66.000 inhabitants) have a good alternative to travelling to Larnaca everytime they need to fly somewhere.

Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 20):
So do I, but the entire thread is about Pafos, so LCA is rather irrelevant.

Yes, sorry for not clarifying. I was referring to flights from LCA to STN.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.

Cyprus Airways are a small airline with 11 aircraft hence having a base at PFO was both expensive and impractical.

Flights departing from LCA and stopping at PFO were also losing money mainly because of the additional costs related to the PFO stop (even when they were almost full).

I do think that CY will be affected by the presence of FR at PFO but only on routes operated by both airlines.

Knowing Cypriot culture, I would not expect lots of Nicosia and Larnaca residents to use PFO given that the distance of PFO from NIcosia is 150km compared to 50Km to LCA.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:19 pm

Is there really a market for flights between Patras and Paphos? I didn't even know Patras had an airport that could be used by FR! Similarly, would Patras be Athens-West?
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 25):
Similarly, would Patras be Athens-West?

No. Indeed, not one of FR's served airports has North, South, East, or West in, bar Tenerife South, the busiest airport on that island.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):

Obviously it was a joke, similar to a few posts above.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 27):
Obviously it was a joke, similar to a few posts above.

But it has been said for the past 10 years... Originality, folks, originality!  
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):

Athens (Patras) then! 

On a serious note though, what airport would they use there? I know Araxos is nearby but it is a military facility, can it handle passenger flights at all?
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.
Quoting CYatUK (Reply 24):
Knowing Cypriot culture, I would not expect lots of Nicosia and Larnaca residents to use PFO given that the distance of PFO from NIcosia is 150km compared to 50Km to LCA.

Hence why I stated that airlines will fight over who gets the passengers from Limassol which like I stated before is a relatively big city.
Nicosia, Larnaca and those heading to Agia Napa/Protaras are obviously not going to travel all the way to Paphos.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting lewis (Reply 29):
can it handle passenger flights at all?


Yes it can. Patras is a large town and have an ever larger catchment area.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
No. Indeed, not one of FR's served airports has North, South, East, or West in, bar Tenerife South, the busiest airport on that island.

FMM is listed as 'Memmingen (Munich West)' on their website
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 32):
FMM is listed as 'Memmingen (Munich West)' on their website

No, it is listed in its pull-down menu as 'Memmingen Munich'.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:49 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
No, it is listed in its pull-down menu as 'Memmingen Munich'.

It's listed here as both on this drop down list: www.ryanair.com/en/cheap-flights-munich-memmingen-germany/

They must have changed it.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 34):
It's listed here as both on this drop down list:

Not in the one when you type www.ryanair.com However, I remember them detailing it such before.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.

Don't know about 'monopoly'. According to wiki (I know) you've got TOM, TCX and MON doing charters and they do seat-only sales. As well as BA to LGW and LS to various UK airports.

Are these routes not operating at the moment?



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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 36):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.

Don't know about 'monopoly'. According to wiki (I know) you've got TOM, TCX and MON doing charters and they do seat-only sales. As well as BA to LGW and LS to various UK airports.

Are these routes not operating at the moment?

Not too sure who LS are

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 36):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Paphos - UK is presently an U2 monopoly, CY chose to withdraw from that market last year, U2 are the airline most likely to be affected. With U2 presently flying PFO -LGW & PFO-LTN, I doubt that many are trekking across to LCA.

Don't know about 'monopoly'. According to wiki (I know) you've got TOM, TCX and MON doing charters and they do seat-only sales. As well as BA to LGW and LS to various UK airports.

Are these routes not operating at the moment?

Partial error on my part, I forgot about jet 2, they fly however to about 5 regional airports once a week in winter and twice a week in summer, so not a major player. BA only fly LGW-PFO in the summer.

I note though that U2 seem to have cut back on PFO, when i flew with them last October I'm sure it was daily from LTN, now it appears to be rather less frequent.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 37):
Partial error on my part, I forgot about jet 2, they fly however to about 5 regional airports once a week in winter and twice a week in summer, so not a major player. BA only fly LGW-PFO in the summer

I see. Well, FR will be an interesting arrival then, I do wonder if they will fly to other UK destinations. They've certainly had a huge impact on the UK & Ireland / Continental Europe - Canaries market. They seem to have grown the market, rather than hurting other airlines too much.

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Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:32 pm

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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:12 pm

Well the flights are bookable now and from what I could see Thessaloniki will be operated on a daily basis. Flights start at €37 return.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 40):

Well the flights are bookable now and from what I could see Thessaloniki will be operated on a daily basis. Flights start at €37 return.

Looking at the link posted by Pe@rson (reply 39) it looks like SKG will eventually become 10 times per week.
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:14 pm

FR must have utilized the incentives that were announced by Cypriot Government and Hermes Airports (LCA, PFO operator) only a few days ago and include discounts for opening a base in Cyprus, starting new routes and operating during the winter (low season).

The Minister in charge mentioned that the incentives are there for everyone with no special treatment for low cost airlines.

It will be very interesting to see which airlines will follow (if any).

Personally I can see A3 being interested as well as CY (provided that they manage to take decisions fast).

Cypriot news portal sigmalive mentions that WizzAir may also be interested. http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/business/454298 (Greek)
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting adriaticflight (Reply 31):
Yes it can. Patras is a large town and have an ever larger catchment area.

Shame on me for not knowing, I always assumed Araxos was just Air Force. 

I wouldn't say though that Patras has a large catchment area, especially something that would interest tourists. Patra is really not that nice of a city. It is not that far from Athens for most tourists to visit and Kalamata airport serves the south of Peloponnese which is way more attractive to visit, IMO, especially for summer vacation.
 
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RE: New Ryanair Base - Pafos, Cyprus

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 41):
Looking at the link posted by Pe@rson (reply 39) it looks like SKG will eventually become 10 times per week.

I hope so, the 06:00/07:00 departure from Paphos is not good for those wishing to go to SKG for a weekend.

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