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Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:52 pm

Back in July LH (press release) started a test where one of the planes flying between FRA and HAM used a 50/50 mix on one engine. It was supposed to run 6 months which is about now.

Anyone know how it is going?
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:58 pm

Successfull as far as it went, it appears, but ending due to supply problems with the fuel:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...nsa-biofuels-idUSL6E8C93KK20120109

There was mention of this on Lufthansa's Facebook page a couple of days ago.
 
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:08 pm

Last info I was reading is that they ended the test successfully but there will be some time until sufficient bio fuel is available.

They will start a new test on trans atlantic services, presumably to JFK this year.
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting mcr (Reply 1):
Successfull as far as it went, it appears, but ending due to supply problems with the fuel:

That is great news. Capacity is just a solvable issue   Neste just opened a new plant in Rotterdam.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
They will start a new test on trans atlantic services, presumably to JFK this year.

Always positive when they want to continue.
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
They will start a new test on trans atlantic services, presumably to JFK this year.

I thought it was Washington Dulles?
 
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:21 pm

 
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:30 pm

"Thanks to the higher energy density of biofuel, it has been possible to reduce the fuel consumption by more than one per cent."
From press release robffm2 linked.

SO now it is about cost and getting to 100% biofuel.
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:53 pm

To sum up:
1187 flights between HAM and FRA
1471 t CO2 reduction
1556 t fuel mixture burned

LH has a dedicated page for this too: http://www.puresky.de/

Quoting cmf (Reply 6):
"Thanks to the higher energy density of biofuel, it has been possible to reduce the fuel consumption by more than one per cent."

That is no negligible amount, and a very interesting result - it's like getting an engine PIP "for free". This could help justify the (still) higher cost of biofuel.

Quoting cmf (Reply 6):
SO now it is about cost and getting to 100% biofuel.

Or rather about scale, which is what will bring down the cost to a competitive level. Biofuels have been proven successfully on an operational level, now they need to be produced - and bought by airlines - in an industrially meaningful quantity.
 
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 4):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
They will start a new test on trans atlantic services, presumably to JFK this year.

I thought it was Washington Dulles?

From the Lufthansa press release yesterday, 01-09-12:

The highlight of the biofuel trial at Lufthansa will be the first scheduled transatlantic flight to the United States, which is now planned for 12 January 2012. A Boeing 747-400, carrying about 40 tonnes of a biosynthetic fuel mix, will fly from Frankfurt to Washington. With this flight alone, Lufthansa expects to reduce CO2 emissions by 38 tonnes, equivalent to the CO2 emissions of six scheduled flights between Frankfurt and Berlin.
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RE: Any Updates On LH's Biofuel Test?

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Two short videos published by Lufthansa on their youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjqipN1ECSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCsn4CIwgU8