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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:29 pm

This is a continuation thread of part 7 which can be found here: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 7

Please feel free to rejoin the discussion in this thread. Enjoy the forums!  


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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:57 pm

The customer-requested slide for the delivery of KAL's first 747-8F (RC541) has been made clear. KAL wants it to coincide with the delivery of a 777 (WF136).
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:15 am

Would someone please remind me as to when is KAL planning to get the 747-8i?

I am planning to fly KE in May. Thinks look set for an ICN-LAX segment on the A388. Would love to have sector on 747-8i. The latter would be the last stop in my plan to have flown all 747 variants!
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting A300 (Reply 2):
Would someone please remind me as to when is KAL planning to get the 747-8i?

The Ascend database says KAL won't take delivery of their first 747-8i until July 2013.

This article from a Seattle newspaper
http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/...ders-five-747-8-intercontinentals/
says KAL will take delivery between May 2013 and May 2015.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:55 pm

More trouble for the 748i. Tail fuel tank not usable due to flutter.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-tanks-on-flutter-concerns-367148/
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 4):
More trouble for the 748i. Tail fuel tank not usable due to flutter.

Looks like it only affects VIP birds, which might not even have planned to use it. LH doesn't plan to use it (at least before a fix) and the fix will be in place before KE and W3 get their birds (assuming they planned to use it).
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:26 am

Have there been any news on the commitments from CA and Hong Kong Airlines recently?
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:08 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Looks like it only affects VIP birds, which might not even have planned to use it. LH doesn't plan to use it (at least before a fix)

It affects all 747-8I aircraft.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
and the fix will be in place before KE and W3 get their birds (assuming they planned to use it).

You cannot state that with any certainty, Boeing do not have a timeline for the fix as yet.
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:46 am

While the fuel tank lock out effects all 747-8I aircraft, airlines will more than likely not have the same issues as VIP customers. The article states;

"when non-fuel payload exceeds 60% of the aircraft's maximum structural payload. The balance of the payload would be fuel stored in the aircraft's wing tanks."
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:47 pm

A new thread has been started on the fuel tank issue - 748-I Tailplane Fuel Tanks Excluded From Use (by art Jan 20 2012 in Civil Aviation) - so we can return this thread to production, delivery and flight testing reports.  
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
so we can return this thread to production, delivery and flight testing reports.

The snow that fell this week and shut down KPAE didn't seriously affect 747-8 deliveries as there were none scheduled this week. The next delivery should be RC602 to ABC early next week. A C-1 flight is scheduled for today, weather permitting.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:14 am

Should we see an -I delivering to outfitting soon?

They were trying to deliver for 2011, so they are somewhat late..
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 11):
Should we see an -I delivering to outfitting soon?

Does LH perform their own interior fitting (ala BA), or do they have Boeing do it for them?

If the latter, then indeed we should see their first delivery in the factory to have her interior installed since I believe it's due within two months.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 11):
Should we see an -I delivering to outfitting soon?

They were trying to deliver for 2011, so they are somewhat late..


They probably have to get that tail tank secured and deactivated so it will be a few weeks. Then it goes to LH for custom outfitting. Hope that have room as most of the BBJ's are headed there. (wonder if the various customers peek at the other interiors and issue change orders to keep up with the latest?)

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Does LH perform their own interior fitting (ala BA), or do they have Boeing do it for them?


I would suspect with all the BBJ work going there, Boeing will install the LH commercial interiors.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
I would suspect with all the BBJ work going there, Boeing will install the LH commercial interiors.

Lufthansa Technik is handling at least two of the BBJ out fittings with two more LoIs.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:07 pm

I thought the green -I were planned to deliver before the LH ships.

It doesn't seem too logical that the BBJ's would take longer to deliver given that Boring doesn't have to put an interior in
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 10):
The snow that fell this week and shut down KPAE didn't seriously affect 747-8 deliveries as there were none scheduled this week. The next delivery should be RC602 to ABC early next week. A C-1 flight is scheduled for today, weather permitting.

It made 2 flights on the 20th, a rt between PAE and MWH

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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:14 pm

I read that Germany had a part in the Genx engine along with Volvo FM and CFM of France. How much of the dream liner is from EU?

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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 17):
How much of the dream liner is from EU?

The mid fuselage barrels, the horizontal stabilizer (for the 787-8), the cargo doors, the passenger doors and the landing gear.
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:19 pm

How did we get on the subject of the 787? This is a thread about the flight testing and production of the 747-8.

Let's get back on topic, folks.

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Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:32 pm

RC602 should deliver to AirBridgeCargo in the next few days.
Two Intercontinentals should have their first flights this week: RC002 (the VIP airplane) and RC022 (D-ABYA for DLH).
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:33 pm

Has Boeing published any guidence on how many 748's they expect to deliver this year?
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:48 am

Quoting starrion (Reply 21):
Has Boeing published any guidence on how many 748's they expect to deliver this year?

No, but they should say something about it when they release their Q4/2011 earnings report
 
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 22):
No, but they should say something about it when they release their Q4/2011 earnings report

And when will that be? Last week was not a good week for all VLAs which have a "8" in their type name. So I am looking forward for some better news...
 
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Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:57 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 23):
And when will that be?

Tomorrow. The conference call is starting 10:30 E.T

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=85482&p=irol-calendar
 
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Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:38 pm

Boeing expects to deliver 70-85 747-8 and 787 in total in 2012, with about an even split between the two. So that should mean 35-43 747-8s
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:23 am

Sorry if I missed it in part of the long threads, but when does LH plan to launch 748i service? Summer 2012?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:08 am

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 26):
Sorry if I missed it in part of the long threads, but when does LH plan to launch 748i service? Summer 2012?

First airplane was due to be delivered end of March 2012. And then starting Service in April, latest May.

The Crews are not yet trained, and training won't start for another 2 months.

At the beginning you don't need many crews as we receive only one airplane in March. More to follow in June, July and September.

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Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:57 pm

Thanks Wilco!

Looking forward to seeing her in shiny LH livery in person. Photos look amazing.

Hope to get on one in 2012, so hoping it goes to SIN, HKG, IAH, SFO, or ORD as have LH sectors to/from there. IAH would be great but the A380 is nice enough treat for now!
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:37 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 25):
So that should mean 35-43 747-8s

The first 747-8 of 2012 was delivered today as RC602/VQ-BLQ was handed over to AirBridgeCargo.

That's one down, 34 more to go this year.

VQ-BLQ's departure date from KPAE is TBD.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:24 pm

When did VQ-BGZ have it's first flight?

Thanks.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 25):
Boeing expects to deliver 70-85 747-8 and 787 in total in 2012, with about an even split between the two. So that should mean 35-43 747-8s

Wow that's a big chunk of the backlog (a bit more than a third I think) I wonder if Boeing is expecting more orders shortly as the deliveries begin to flow or are they planning to ease the production rate after this initial flurry?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 32):
I wonder if Boeing is expecting more orders shortly as the deliveries begin to flow or are they planning to ease the production rate after this initial flurry?

There are 96 747-8s on backlog at the moment, so even at 35/year, that represents almost 3 years of production. But let's see if Boeing can actually achieve a 3/month delivery rate this year.

So Boeing has a couple of years to start bringing in some new orders for the 747-8. Surely in that time the world economy will turn around AND Boeing will solve the weight, drag, fuel burn, and flutter issues with the airplane.

[Edited 2012-01-27 07:43:19]
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 25):
Boeing expects to deliver 70-85 747-8 and 787 in total in 2012, with about an even split between the two. So that should mean 35-43 747-8s

At this moment (the end of January) 21 completed, but not yet delivered 747-8 aircraft are available for delivery in 2012.
This airframe count includes 3 unsold aircraft (ex. Atlas Air) and 5 "real" test wired aircraft, that need an extensive refurbishment.

Scheduled assembly is still 1,5 aircraft/month, raising to 2 aircraft/month in mid-2012.

So the total delivery in 2012 could reach 1 (RC602 already delivered), plus 18 (backlog, produced in 2010-2011), plus 19 (to be produced in 2012) = 38 . The total count may even reach 41 if the 3 ex. Atlas aircraft are sold.


If the assembly rate remains at the rate of 2/month, 24 aircraft will be produced in 2013.

[Edited 2012-01-27 12:06:13]
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:38 am

So, when did VQ-BGZ have it's first flight? I'm not sure it has been delivered or have it's first flight. There is nothing Puget Sound - Boeing Test Flights page or the Paine Field Blog?

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Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting petera380 (Reply 35):
So, when did VQ-BGZ have it's first flight?

it hasn't
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:37 am

L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , registration A7-HHE made its first (B1) flight yesterday (01-30-2012).
This aircraft will probably be the first 747-8 Intercontinental delivery and will be ferried “green” to a customer modification center in February or March.

The second 747-8 Intercontinental delivery will be L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa, D-ABYA, scheduled for end March.

See : http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....47-8k8-bbj-qatar-amiri-flight.html

For the F/F video, see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgaXXaS70l4&feature=player_embedded

[Edited 2012-01-31 02:45:09]
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RE: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8

Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:39 pm

After delivery of the first freighter to AirBridgeCargo, the airline will receive two more 747-8HVF aircraft in 2012. The last two ordered (out of a total of 5) will be delivered in 2013.

Scheduled for 2012 are :

L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, registration VQ-BLR, presently located at FAL slant position #2

And one of the early built 747-8 freighters, that need some refurbishing to delivery status :

L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, future registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.

For more background info and some pictures, see : http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...gScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Attention : The third and last picture of this article, taken at the FAL, displays L/N 1452 (front) and also L/N 1451 (at the back, with dark blue LH rudders), the first picture of RC023, the third DLH Intercontinental (D-ABYC)
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:16 pm

RC002 made her B-1 flight on Monday.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20120130/2100Z/KPAE/KMWH

All went well, according to reports:

"The first 747-8 Intercontinental scheduled for delivery completed its first production flight on Monday from Paine Field in Everett, Wash.

"Commercial Airplanes pilots Craig Bomben and John Frischkorn conducted the B-1 flight profile that Boeing performs on all production airplanes to confirm the airplane is ready for delivery.

'"The airplane performed very well," said Elizabeth Lund, vice president and general manager of the 747 program. "This is one of the major milestones leading to delivery."

"During the flight, the pilots checked each of the airplane’s systems to ensure the plane is ready to be handed over to the customer. With a successful first flight complete, the airplane will undergo several more tests and a customer flight before it is delivered.

"The first 747-8 Intercontinental is slated to be delivered to an undisclosed VIP customer in the first quarter of this year."
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:40 am

AirBridgeCargo - VQ-BLQ filed to depart to ORD this evening.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ABW5011
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:20 am

Just heard a big event is planned at the Future of Flight on February 27. Unconfirmed reports that it will be for the delivery of the first Intercontinental (RC002) to a VIP customer. I hope the reports are correct.

Side note: delivery ceremonies at Everett Delivery Center are on hold for a while as the building is soon to be demolished, and a bigger and better Delivery Center built on the spot. Four bays around the EDC are closed to make room for the construction equipment.

[Edited 2012-02-03 20:20:44]
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:04 am

Quoting sabian404 (Reply 40):
AirBridgeCargo - VQ-BLQ filed to depart to ORD this evening.

The aircraft will proceed further to Amsterdam (EHAM/AMS), for the first revenue flight ? Call-sign will be ABW602.

See : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ABW602
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:40 am

I read somewhere that Boeing aims to trim the weight on the 747-8, how would they do this? The design must be very well known and trimmed over the years already? More composites? Engine PIPs will hit the target SFC some day in the future, the biggest problem was 4-3 tons of weight.
 
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Quoting sweair (Reply 43):
I read somewhere that Boeing aims to trim the weight on the 747-8, how would they do this? The design must be very well known and trimmed over the years already? More composites? Engine PIPs will hit the target SFC some day in the future, the biggest problem was 4-3 tons of weight.

Most new aircraft are over-weighted upon introduction. The 747-8 is no exception and has a slightly higher operating empty weight than calculated.

There are two ways to compensate for this issue :
- Identify not 100% loaded parts and if possible replace these parts with newly designed parts with a lower weight.
- Increase the certified maximum structural loads, if possible.

During the certification tests, several flight load survey tests were performed. During these tests the actual flight loads at several aircraft locations were measured and compared with the calculated loads. These flight loads tests were also extended beyond the calculated maximum structural weights. (MTOW,MZFW,MLW).

The first results are already published : the MTOW has been increased from 975.000 lbs to 987.000 to compensate for the increased OEW. Also the MZFW is/will be increased to offer the same maximum structural payload.
During the 747-8 production run several load carrying parts, identified during the flight load survey testing, will also be redesigned, to lower the OEW even further.
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 44):
Also the MZFW is/will be increased to offer the same maximum structural payload.


For the 747-8, MZFW rose 9,000 pounds, MSP rose 11,000 pounds and TOW rose 12,000 pounds.

For the 747-8F, Boeing offers two MZFWs: 717,000 pounds at the 978,000 pound TOW and 727,000 pounds at the 990,000 pound TOW. Payload at the lower TOW remains 295,200 pounds and is 306,000 pounds for the 990,000 pound TOW.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:14 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 43):
I read somewhere that Boeing aims to trim the weight on the 747-8, how would they do this? The design must be very well known and trimmed over the years already?

The wing, pylons, and nacelles are all new, so all of those are potential opportunities for weight savings. The empennage is also the same, I think, but since the wing and fuselage are different shapes the tail loads may have changed and, after doing flight load testing, they may have some structural margin back there too.

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Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:43 am

The first 747-8 freighter (HL7609) for Korean Cargo is expected to be delivered at Feb. 6 and will be parked at Kilo North for a delivery ceremony.

This aircraft was original ordered by Guggenheim Aviation Partners, together with 3 sister-ships. She would have been leased by KAL. First the order was reduced to two, later the whole order was cancelled. The two already produced GuAP aircraft were after the cancellation purchased by Korean directly from Boeing.

AFAIK the aircraft is still listed with the GuAP Boeing Customer code "HT" and the original serial number.

Aircraft data :

L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL, KPAE flight line , F/F Jan-10-2012, expected delivery date Feb-06-2012

Attention, latest info received about the other former GuAP aircraft (L/N1426), still stored (with no engines installed) :
The variable (tabulation) number is now listed as RC546 i.s.o RC542 ???
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:23 pm

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Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:11 am

Here are the first pictures and a video from Matt Cawby's KPAE blog, taken after the delivery ceremony of the first Korean Cargo 747-8F, together with a Korean Cargo 777F :
http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/02/paine-field-february-6.html

Note ; All stored 787's, in various stages of completion, were removed from parking platform Kilo North before the ceremony.


Original uploaded by flightblogger, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger/6830976795/in/photostream
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