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AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:57 am

Just wondering what folks envision with the 787s coming to AC. It seems they will be eager to get rid of old 767s but also wondering if they will strike out with some new routes while keeping the old birds airborne. I'm wondering if JNB may be coming sooner than later.....maybe other routes that the 787 will make possible? Any thoughts what they might do with the 787s in the short order??
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:06 am

India would be one of the first markets to get into, I would think. BOM and DEL (with a tag on to ATQ maybe) would have a pretty decent load factor year round. Avoiding Russian airspace (if they had to) still makes it only around 7700 miles from YYZ to DEL, well within the economic range of the 787-800.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:21 am

YES!!! AC needs to start BOM and DEL right away, before EK starts attacking AC silently behind their backs. I non-stop from YYZ to BOM would be awesome!!! It will be a full load and a $$$ making flight to BOM and DEL as it'll be nonostop compared to Emirates/Jet/Air India/Ethiad/Lufthansa/BA etc. Plus I have my Elite Status with AC and would love flying with them non-stop. They should start asap and have good marketing and ad's all over the place, train stations, airports, metro paper, newpapers, bus stops, Indian newpapers, start alliance websites, trave agencies etc. Good Luck AC, my carrier of choice ALWAYS  
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:18 am

I've always been surprised why AC has not gone to India anytime this last five years or so. I think they did an India route briefly via Switzerland at one point?

Ever since the triples came in I thought a 200LR service direct to India made perfect sense.

Instead AC watches almost every international carrier sphione off traffic from YYZ to India and stays on the sidelines.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:23 am

I am sure that before we see U.L.H. flights, AC will, like NH, start some short domestic hops to train crews, make some marketing, etc. I can see some YYZ-YUL and YYZ-YWG flights initially, and perhaps some YYZ-YVR and YYZ-YYC flights after some weeks or so. Maybe something to ORD or EWR too!

In any event, it will be interesting to see where AC sends the 787s to. In addition to U.L.H. routes such as YYZ-DEL or YYZ-BOM, we might see some flights ex-YVR to secondary Asian destinations. I will speculate SCL and EZE are good candidates for 787 service at some point.

How about JNB? Is there enough market?
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 3):
I've always been surprised why AC has not gone to India anytime this last five years or so. I think they did an India route briefly via Switzerland at one point?

Yes you are right, they had them at one time... and from ZRH the destination was DEL or BOM !!! Not sure really....
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:46 pm

What is AC's 787 delivery schedule?
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:24 pm

How about sending a B787 to SIN from either YVR or YYZ ? A Star Alliance carrier at both ends probably helps to fill the plane.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 3):

I've always been surprised why AC has not gone to India anytime this last five years or so. I think they did an India route briefly via Switzerland at one point?

AC had started DEL-YYZ with their then A345, downgraded it to A343 and then used a 767 via ZRH to DEL before ultimately stopping that route.

AI already flies ATQ-DEL-YYZ, so ideally the 787 should fly to BOM if they don't want competition.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:57 pm

YUL-PEK or YUL-NRT. Montreal needs an East Asian non-stop. Demand is there, all that's left is the right aircraft for the job.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 6):
What is AC's 787 delivery schedule?

Not soon enough. First seven in 2014.

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting LH7478i (Reply 7):
How about sending a B787 to SIN from either YVR or YYZ ? A Star Alliance carrier at both ends probably helps to fill the plane.

Yes, I think it's time AC connects Canada to South East Asia. There is certainly enough traffic to warrant a minimum of 3 weekly flights, and with Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia and India in the vicinity, filling daily flights shouldn't be a problem. The 788 doesn't have the legs to do YYZ-SIN but I think it just might be able to scrape YVR-SIN.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:09 pm

AC started service to India in in the early 1980s with YVR/YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN, using L1011-500 and B747-200C aircraft. AC had/has fifth freedom rights along all stops of this route. This was reduced to YYZ-LHR-BOM, then ultimately cancelled.

Quoting mk777 (Reply 8):
AC had started DEL-YYZ with their then A345, downgraded it to A343

It was the other way around. The YYZ-DEL route started using the A343, which was not ideal on the route, and occasionally had to stop for fuel. With the delivery of the A345, the route was always non-stop, but it was thought it better to use the aircraft on the higher yielding YYZ-HKG.

As you state, before canceling the route altogether, it was routed through ZRH, using a B767-300 and code-sharing with LX.(which was the intent of routing it through ZRH) It was not a good passenger mix, as the low yield YYZ-DEL passengers booked seats before the high yielding YYZ-ZRH passengers. Some "political" editorials emerged when AC and LX tried to restrict the YYZ-DEL passengers, leaving seats open for YYZ-ZRH and ZRH-DEL passengers!

While India has been mentioned to be on the "short list" with the eventual delivery of the B787, a lot of people have their doubts, as even with the long range, the capacity of the B787 is still too low. The B777 seems ideal for non-stops to India, but present fares dictate the aircraft be better used on higher yielding routes.

Internally, the routes mentioned initially are YYZ-YUL, YYZ-LAX, YYZ-YVR, YYZ-YYC. This is for flight crew and maintenance training. Then when reliability of the aircraft is ensured, the first International routes mentioned are YYZ-NRT, and some Western Arrow flights. (YVR/YEG/YYC to Europe) In other words, no new routes will be blazed until a lot of B767/A330 routes are replaced.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting 744 (Reply 2):
I non-stop from YYZ to BOM would be awesome!!! It will be a full load and a $$$ making flight to BOM and DEL

Not so much - yields are too low.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 11):
even with the long range, the capacity of the B787 is still too low. The B777 seems ideal for non-stops to India, but present fares dictate the aircraft be better used on higher yielding routes.

A daily non-stop would require at least 3 aircraft. I just can't see AC dedicating 3 new "premium" aircraft to a low yield route.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 12):
A daily non-stop would require at least 3 aircraft. I just can't see AC dedicating 3 new "premium" aircraft to a low yield route.

Exactly. And AC has left the other carriers to fight over this low yield traffic. At the same time ... a B777 flights to South America carrying 45t of freight! It is also why I can't envision the B787 to India any time soon either.

Remember, the Canada-India traffic is very price conscious. They don't mind connecting along the way, to save a few hundred dollars. A non-stop is not necessary.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting darkroast (Reply 1):
India would be one of the first markets to get into, I would think. BOM and DEL (with a tag on to ATQ maybe) would have a pretty decent load factor year round. Avoiding Russian airspace (if they had to)...

I'm curious, why do you feel they would they have to (circumvent Russian airspace)?

Quoting 744 (Reply 2):
AC needs to start BOM and DEL right away, before EK starts attacking AC silently behind their backs.

Too late! They're already "attacking" out loud and right in front of them  
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
I can see some YYZ-YUL and YYZ-YWG flights initially... Maybe something to ORD

Not that I wouldn't like to see it, but I doubt ORD would be feasible - have you seen the "E" gates AC uses in O'Hare?
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:03 pm

Sorry, but i don't see the 787 on too many ULH routes (11,000 km +). Not enough seats on board to pay for the flight, even with Boeing's claim that it is 20% more fuel efficient than the 767 (yet to be proven).

YYZ-India or YVR-SIN will not happen, in my opinion.

i believe AC will mostly use the 787 on route segments under 8-9,000 km, just as it does with the 767s today.

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:06 pm

How about YYZ-AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE

Not sure if it would have the legs for YYZ-AKL though. Does anyone know?

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 pm

The 787 is perfect for year round service to destinations such as:

DUB
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting kiwinlondon (Reply 16):
Not sure if it would have the legs for AKL though. Does anyone know?

13,867 km. Without the headwinds. in other words, aint gonna happen!

YYZ-AKL is 77L territory.

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:16 pm

I hope that YOW will get some early training flights from YYZ. They already put the 767 on this route sometimes, so it wouldn't be out of the question (like YUL). After that I would love to see it serve YOW's two European routes to LHR and FRA.

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know what the interior configuration of AC's 787s will be? Will the seats be the same as currently on the 767?
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:29 pm

AC should must add these routes :

YYZ-BOM / DEL
YVR-BOM / DEL
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:43 pm

Maybe to Beirut? how about Cairo, Casablanca or even to IST or Nairobi? Russia maybe

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:48 pm

YYZ has a much larger concentration of Indian people than Surrey and BC combined. AC can do a very smooth connection from YVR to YYZ and onto BOM/DEL. As mentioned, the Indian demographic is very price-conscious and will easily spend an extra 5 hours in transit to save $100-200 a head. A market AC has never touched would be the Middle East (except for TLV). The market in YYZ/YUL for central Africa is huge, but once again, price-conscious.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:58 pm

Any idea what the proposed seating arrangement is for AC's 788's?
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 13):
At the same time ... a B777 flights to South America carrying 45t of freight!

For this sort of load density it must be fruit and vegetables northbound !
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:06 pm

Even though I think those routes are not very likely I'll just throw them in :

How about oil routes ? Is there any demand for YYC - DME or YYC - DXB / AUH / KWI , or maybe down to CCS ? I could imagine that managers and engineers would buy expensive Y and J tickets and make those long flights profitable with the economics of a 788. On the other hand, I don't think there is leisure traffic at all.

What are your thoughts ?
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:11 pm

BOM-YYZ is pushing 7500nm ESAD which is clearly 77L territory.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting LH7478i (Reply 25):
What are your thoughts ?

That is the fun of these exercises, we get to play "airline" and where we would fly our B787s.

One thing I always remember though, is that because AC is allied with LH and UA, they pretty well know exactly how many people want to fly from just about everywhere to just about everywhere. Also, they can predict what people are willing to pay, and how "inconvenienced" they are willing to go, to save money.

Take your proposed YYC-CCS for example. Makes sense .. two oil centres. Right now, AC and (in this case) UA, know exactly how many people every day request that route. If demand warrants, there will be a flight.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 22):
YYZ has a much larger concentration of Indian people than Surrey and BC combined. AC can do a very smooth connection from YVR to YYZ and onto BOM/DEL. As mentioned, the Indian demographic is very price-conscious and will easily spend an extra 5 hours in transit to save $100-200 a head.

Adding YVR wouldn't change anything. It's the yield, not the load factor that doesn't make it viable (at least compared to other more profitable routes). BTW, I believe Surrey is in B.C.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 22):
A market AC has never touched would be the Middle East (except for TLV). The market in YYZ/YUL for central Africa is huge, but once again, price-conscious.

Exactly - low yields. AC is running a very successful YYZ/YUL-BRU route that connects with SN's Africa routes - which AC could never hope to emulate.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:36 pm

YYZ - BOG - YYZ , in order to take adavantange of the 787's perfomance with the high altitude of Bogota
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:02 pm

Are the South American routes (BOG, EZE, SCL, and LIM) really that high performing for AC? I can see the cargo flowing off these flights like crazy (it's very interesting to see what comes off different planes when you drive around airside at an airport). I didn't realize the amount of ex-pats from South America that could fill these flights. It is very possible the pax load can be low but AC can still make a killing on cargo.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 24):
Quoting longhauler (Reply 13):At the same time ... a B777 flights to South America carrying 45t of freight!
For this sort of load density it must be fruit and vegetables northbound !

You see the "fruits" of AC's direct service to SA points during the winter months. Fresh raspberries, blueberries, etc. are all cheaper than ever during winter months in grocery stores as a direct result of the cargo traffic coming back from South America. A small basket of raspberries in off season would be $5 and now you see 2 $5 routinely.

I agree that there is not enough premium passengers to make BOM or DEL work in the immediate future from YYZ and even less from YVR. You need a large volume of business traffic to make those routes work. Also a significant amount of cargo revenue that is either fresh product, or high value enough, or just in time delivery, to warrant not routing via cheaper methods

I would definitely see the 787 flying to high cargo markets that will benefit from the increased belly cargo over the 763 but without the passenger volume to fill a 777. If anything, I would see 763's redeployed to open new markets once the initial 763's that need replacing are retired. A lot also will depend on whether the LCC long haul carrier takes off or not.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:50 pm

Where once I thought I would get to see 787's on new long thin routes, I am afraid that If oil stays at the 100/barrel range, I expect the smart airlines who have 787's on order will simply put them on current 767 routes, and accelerate the retirement of 767's and try and try and run a margin premium compared to airlines flying older equipment.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 32):
Where once I thought I would get to see 787's on new long thin routes, I am afraid that If oil stays at the 100/barrel range, I expect the smart airlines who have 787's on order will simply put them on current 767 routes, and accelerate the retirement of 767's and try and try and run a margin premium compared to airlines flying older equipment.

I think AC will do this up to a point, but then they might try to break new ground particularly out of YYZ and YVR. I particularly could see them doing YVR to SIN, CGK,SGN or BKK or other southeast Asian routes out of YVR that other North American operators (think DL from LAX) might want to try.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting darkroast (Reply 1):
India would be one of the first markets to get into, I would think. BOM and DEL (with a tag on to ATQ maybe)

"Tags", especially on a domestic sector where no local traffic can be sold, are almost always a guarantee of unprofitability. It will never happen.

Quoting 744 (Reply 2):
AC needs to start BOM and DEL right away, before EK starts attacking AC silently behind their backs. I non-stop from YYZ to BOM would be awesome
Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 3):
Ever since the triples came in I thought a 200LR service direct to India made perfect sense.

A waste of aircraft in my opinion to put such expensive assets on a route with virtually no high-yield traffic and where the rest of the traffic is among the most price-sensitive and will gladly accept en route stops and connections to obtain the lowest fare. There are far more lucrative routes than India. Leave that market to EK/EY/QR and connections with alliance partners via Europe.

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 3):
Instead AC watches almost every international carrier sphione off traffic from YYZ to India and stays on the sidelines.

As mentioned above, some markets don't warrant service when the yield doesn't cover your costs, regardless how much demand there is. It's very difficult to generate profitable yields on routes like India with almost no premium traffic.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 5):
Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 3):
I've always been surprised why AC has not gone to India anytime this last five years or so. I think they did an India route briefly via Switzerland at one point?

Personally, I doubt India is very high up the list of potential new markets when you consider how much competition there is via both the Atlantic and Pacific. Fighting for a share of that market just isn't worth it in my opinion when there are far more lucrative markets available.

Yes you are right, they had them at one time... and from ZRH the destination was DEL or BOM !!! Not sure really....

It was DEL, by far the major Canada-India market.

Quoting LH7478i (Reply 7):
How about sending a B787 to SIN from either YVR or YYZ ? A Star Alliance carrier at both ends probably helps to fill the plane.
Quoting ManekS (Reply 10):
Quoting LH7478i (Reply 7):
How about sending a B787 to SIN from either YVR or YYZ ? A Star Alliance carrier at both ends probably helps to fill the plane.

Yes, I think it's time AC connects Canada to South East Asia. There is certainly enough traffic to warrant a minimum of 3 weekly flights, and with Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia and India in the vicinity, filling daily flights shouldn't be a problem.

I disagree. Canada-SIN is a very small market and SIN is too far south to make it a good connecting hub to almost anywhere except a few small markets like Malaysia and Indonesia. Just look at the trouble SQ had when they served Canada. By far the majority of passengers on SQ flights were on the 5th freedom YVR-ICN sector at low yield fares (as usual for 5th freeedom routes). All of those markets South East Asia markets are almost as dependent on low-yield traffic as India. I doubt any of them will see AC service anytime soon. When CP served BKK as a tag-on from HKG, it was among the least profitable and lowest-yield markets in their entire network, and almost all the traffic on the flight was heavily discounted 5th freedom traffic HKG-BKK. Again, assigning expensive assets like new 787s to a market like that with virtually no premium traffic would make no sense.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:10 pm

YVR-MEL would be the obvious route to me. Maybe a South American route from Vancouver, possibly YVR-SCL-EZE. YYZ-JNB, YYZ-SVO? Obviously the two biggest Indian cities. Another China destination from YVR, CAN?

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:10 pm

Maybe it will end up on routes like YVR-LHR, YUL-LHR, YVR-PVG, and others. Any would be a better guess than YYZ-DEL or BOM.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:23 pm

Since they are being bought to replace the 767s and A330s I personally think in the first few years you will see just that.. after the proving on short haul routes (YUL and others) they will start to replace the 767s and some A330s all over the board. They will eventually be serving routes out of all the Canadian hubs they have.. then once broken in after a year of two they will start to open up new routes to new regions. So places like Brussels, Geneva, London, Paris, Frankfurt and Rome will likely see them before Delhi or Singapore or Accra. More likely the concentration will be on long haul domestic routes and Europe first out of YUL. Probably also to South America from Top
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting caribb (Reply 37):
Since they are being bought to replace the 767s and A330s I personally think in the first few years you will see just that.. after the proving on short haul routes (YUL and others) they will start to replace the 767s and some A330s all over the board. They will eventually be serving routes out of all the Canadian hubs they have.. then once broken in after a year of two they will start to open up new routes to new regions. So places like Brussels, Geneva, London, Paris, Frankfurt and Rome will likely see them before Delhi or Singapore or Accra. More likely the concentration will be on long haul domestic routes and Europe first out of YUL. Probably also to South America from Edit Post ]

Sorry.. stupid edit option was cut off.. Probably also to South America from Toronto and to the Caribbean during the winter
months. My guess is they will replace 767 routes first unless replacing some A330s can free them up for expansion but I would think the objective would be to get rid of the more costly older planes, increase margins on their routes and get familiarized with the new aircraft first then start to expand into new markets a good year or more down the road.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 27):
That is the fun of these exercises, we get to play "airline" and where we would fly our B787s.

I will play too. I would love to see AC fly their 787's to HNL and OGG to replace the beautiful yet somewhat worn 767's they presently are flying to Hawaii. I know that this is not a glamour or highly profitable route but I fly it very often and would like to see it come about. They are going to replace the 767's eventually and the 787 would be nice to see in Hawaii.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 17):

The 787 is perfect for year round service to destinations such as:

DUB
MAN
GLA
EDI
BRU

Certainly hoping that the 787 improves the economics of YYZ - MAN (or even YVR).
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 39):
replace the beautiful yet somewhat worn 767's they presently are flying to Hawaii

Funny enough is they bought some planes recently from Hawaiian that they use on the "Sun Destinations" mainly OGG, HNL, CUN from the west. These planes are really new (around 2003 and 2005 I believe).

I think that the first order of business after the "integration" time where they will usually stay on the shorter flights (LAX, YUL, YVR etc) would be on some of the longer flights which are a little tight for the 767. TLV, PVG (from YVR), SCL/EZE may be some of the first routes that they will take over from the 767. Right now they only have enough airplanes to cover a roughly 1:1 replacement but if the 330's stay on for a while you could see some minor expansions. Perhaps a YVR-MEL, YYZ-BEY or a YYZ-YVR-CAN comes to mind.

There are lots of markets AC could fill seats on. The major problem is revenue. Flying to DEL would probably not work out of Canada. Perhaps a LHR-DEL where they could funnel traffic from all of their flights outwards from LHR may make it more feasible but it's easier just to get those passengers on LH though MUC or FRA.

It will be interesting to see what happens, I think there will be one or two new routes that could become profitable and they may try out, but it won't open the doors on 20 new routes unfortunately.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:54 pm

Agree with the guys who say no fancy new routes.

Quoting Coronado (Reply 32):
Where once I thought I would get to see 787's on new long thin routes, I am afraid that If oil stays at the 100/barrel range, I expect the smart airlines who have 787's on order will simply put them on current 767 routes, and accelerate the retirement of 767's and try and try and run a margin premium compared to airlines flying older equipment.

   I can see them being exactly what they are - 767 replacements, so once the domestic crew training etc is done I can certainly see YVR to PVG, PEK, ICN & NRT being some of the first routes they will fly on, along with YYZ to Europe, South America & TLV. The only new routes I can see ex YVR is possibly China. CAN was a good option, but CZ finally started it 3/weekly so they missed that boat IMO. SZX is a possibility, maybe Chengdu. Ex YYZ, think they are quite happy using LH through FRA to Europe, could see some South American growth, particularly Brazil. I think western Canada to Europe will remain/switch to A330 while 767's leave.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 42):
The only new routes I can see ex YVR is possibly China.

And perhaps MEL. Or what about HND to complement (or replace?) NRT?

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 42):
I think western Canada to Europe will remain/switch to A330 while 767's leave.

Are there any 767s flying to/from Europe from YVR, YYC or YEG? I thought it's exclusively 333s (or 77Ws in high season).

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 35):
Obviously the two biggest Indian cities.

Except that the consensus of just about every previous poster is that it does not make economic sense to serve India over a host of better-yielding routes.

Quoting zbbylw (Reply 41):
YYZ-BEY

If - a very large 'if' - AC introduces Beirut, it would almost certainly be from YUL.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting threepoint (Reply 43):
Are there any 767s flying to/from Europe from YVR, YYC or YEG?

YYC-FRA and YEG-LHR are currently 763s.
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 42):
I think western Canada to Europe will remain/switch to A330 while 767's leave.

Doubt that very much. A333 pilot base is only in YYZ.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 43):
Are there any 767s flying to/from Europe from YVR, YYC or YEG? I thought it's exclusively 333s (or 77Ws in high season).

YEG-LHR is a 763. So is YYC-FRA right now, but that will switch to an A333 when LH pulls out of YYC in a few weeks.

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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 45):
Doubt that very much. A333 pilot base is only in YYZ.

And YVR.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:18 am

A lot will depend on whether AC convinces its unions to form a LCC leisure subsidiary using its old 767's. If so, look for those to continue serving HI until the wings fall off!
 
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:29 am

Perhaps with the 787 AC could finally introduce GIG. It's a fast growing market with strong business ties with Canada specially in the mining and energy sectors.

Brazil and Canada have an openskies treaty so frequencies are not an issue.
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RE: AC 787 Routes

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:43 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 42):
The only new routes I can see ex YVR is possibly China. CAN was a good option, but CZ finally started it 3/weekly so they missed that boat IMO. SZX is a possibility, maybe Chengdu.

Considering the growth rate of the Chinese economy and the huge increase in the middle class population who can now afford foreign travel, I think it's almost certain that service to Canada is going to increase massively over the next few years. Even a 1% increase in the number of Chinese who can afford to travel is more than 1/3 of the entire population of Canada. PEK is now the world's 2nd busiest airport after ATL.

Look at the car industry. China has been the world's largest car market since 2009, well ahead of the U.S. Won't be long before that's also true for air travel.
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