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AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:12 am

With AA exiting ORD-DEL, will EK pounce on this opportunity for ORD-India/Pakistan/SE Asia?

UA/CO have not announced any ORD-Int'l service since the merger and the market is opeing. EK could jump in and trump UA/CO, give AI/EY/RJ some competiton, and provide n/s service from ORD to DXB (probably the largest market not served by anyone). Thoughts?
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
EK could jump in and trump UA/CO, give AI/EY/RJ some competiton,

Many of the major European carriers serving ORD are also major operators to India. I'm sure they carry a high percentage of the traffic, and routings via the European hubs are as short (sometimes shorter) than via hubs in the Middle East.

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
ORD to DXB (probably the largest market not served by anyone)

I have no data but I would think there are many unserved O&D markets from ORD much larger than DXB. The vast majority of passengers on any future ORD-DXB nonstop service would be connecting to points beyond, just like almost all other longhaul flights to DXB.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:35 am

If there was a real big demand for ORD-DEL/BOM flights, I'm guessing AA wouldn't be pulling out, I'm sure a decent percentage of the passengers flying AA's 777 to India were also connecting passengers as well. Certainly not a valid reason in itself to warrent EK to start flying the same level of aircraft into a city they have recently by-passed in favor of DFW & SEA.
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
With AA exiting ORD-DEL, will EK pounce on this opportunity for ORD-India/Pakistan/SE Asia?

Yes there is definitely an opportunity for EK to serve ORD which has a large South Asian community independent of AA but AA pulling out of ORD-DEL means even LESS competition for them to deal with.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Many of the major European carriers serving ORD are also major operators to India. I'm sure they carry a high percentage of the traffic, and routings via the European hubs are as short (sometimes shorter) than via hubs in the Middle East.

But none of those airlines serve other South Asian countries like Pakistan...the EK DXB hub allows for onward connections to almost every major population center in South Asia.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I'm guessing AA wouldn't be pulling out, I'm sure a decent percentage of the passengers flying AA's 777 to India were also connecting passengers as well.

But how many people were willing to fly on AA from ORD to DEL if they wanted to connect to Bangladesh or Pakistan? DEL is not a good connection point for any non-Indian airports...however DXB has been created and grown over the years to facilitate onward connections to pretty much every significant city in all South Asian countries...
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:11 pm

For whatever reason, EK and QR are in no hurry to launch ORD at this time.. One will probably do so eventually. I doubt EK is paying much attention nor is influenced by anything AA does.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:25 pm

Hmmm. Could AY jump in with it's via HEL idea  
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 4):
For whatever reason, EK and QR are in no hurry to launch ORD at this time.. One will probably do so eventually. I doubt EK is paying much attention nor is influenced by anything AA does.

Ethihad Airways flies to Chicago from Abu Dhabi so there is already an airline from the United Arab Emirates flying to ORD. AA is doing what AA needs to do, it wouldn't abandon the route unless it was loosing buckets, no word yet on ORD to PEK or PVG.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting burj (Reply 3):
But how many people were willing to fly on AA from ORD to DEL if they wanted to connect to Bangladesh or Pakistan? DEL is not a good connection point for any non-Indian airports..

Not just Bangladesh and Pakistan, but also secondary Indian cities.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
it wouldn't abandon the route unless it was loosing buckets

Not necessarily true; it just means there's another route where that aircraft could make more money.
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 4):
I doubt EK is paying much attention nor is influenced by anything AA does.

I certainly understand (and agree with) where you are coming from, but I do think that any reduction in ORD-India capacity makes the business case for EK somewhat better. How much better is a difficult question, and I doubt that if EK was number 50 on EK's list of prospective destinations 2 weeks ago, it's now number 2 just because AA dropped ORD-DEL. But it might be number 45 now.
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:12 pm

Etihad sends an A320 daily to DEL which is being fed with traffic from USA/UK/EU/GCC etc so hardly any impact.

Loss of AA on ORD-DEL would be a bigger blessing in disguise for QR to launch ORD versus EK as EK is not as heavily reliant on India bound traffic from USA as QR is in comparison. EK has a vast GCC, Saudi, African and Far East network to compliment the route with.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:24 pm

EY has the most to benefit, plus they have a frequent flyer relationship with AA. When AA announced the FF relationship with EY, I am assuming that they were already thinking about terminating ORD-DEL route. And EY will be only airline to provide service to Pakistan, secondary Indian cities and other nearby cities.

This certainly makes it easire for EK to enter, however ORD has plenty of other airlines providing service to similar service to cities that EK does (except for markets in Pakistan, Iran etc.).
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 4):
For whatever reason, EK and QR are in no hurry to launch ORD at this time.. One will probably do so eventually. I doubt EK is paying much attention nor is influenced by anything AA does.

Ethihad Airways flies to Chicago from Abu Dhabi so there is already an airline from the United Arab Emirates flying to ORD. AA is doing what AA needs to do, it wouldn't abandon the route unless it was loosing buckets, no word yet on ORD to PEK or PVG.

This is true, I have had the misfortune of taking that flight. However I doubt the presence of EY is keeping out EK, since EK added DUB with EY already in the market. We can only guess why EK and QR have stayed out of ORD.

EK might look at ORD sooner without AA, or maybe not. We don't know.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):
This is true, I have had the misfortune of taking that flight. However I doubt the presence of EY is keeping out EK, since EK added DUB with EY already in the market. We can only guess why EK and QR have stayed out of ORD.

Dublin is also approximately half the distance to Abu Dhabi than it is from Chicago, meaning the costs (fuel, aircraft utilization rate, etc) were significantly less and therefore was lower hanging fruit for EK.

So, it's not really a vis-a-vis comparison.

Back to the subject, I don't think that AA's removal of ORD-DEL traffic will affect EK that much. If PK (or even more drastically, AI) were to pull the plug on ORD, THEN I think the barriers to entry would be lowered for EK and they would certainly jump in.

But, I don't see that happening unless these carriers go under.
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Not necessarily true; it just means there's another route where that aircraft could make more money.

This flight is 15 hours per sector, the longest in AA's route system thus the most expensive to fuel. Its so far the whole trip is all the way around the world, from India to ORD to travels eastward.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:23 pm

ORD is extraordinarliy well-connected by many one-stop options as well as the daily AI non-stop to DEL.

I can't help but think that EK would have O'Hare on its list as one it must serve eventually, but not one that is critically important for them to serve right now, as Cubs implied above. Still, they may prove me wrong tomorrow!

Just to illustrate how well-connected ORD is to South Asia, I did this little exersize this morning ...

First, a map of South Asian destinations served by existing Middle Eastern Carriers with nonstop service to ORD:




Second, a map of South Asian destinations served from Europe on European carriers that fly nonstop from ORD and Pakistan Intl. Airlines' one-stop through BCN:




And finally, all South Asian destinations served by Emirates from its Dubai hub:




You'll notice only AMD is not served by any other carrier but by EK and that CGP ( Chittagong) and PNQ are served by other carriers from their hubs but not by Emirates.

Of course many more options than what is shown here are available. For example, these maps do not include any interlining from hubs which could occur, any transfers that could be made in DEL from AI’s nonstop or any that could be made in PK’s hubs to other South Asian destinations or any transfers that could be made in other US, Canadian or East Asian hubs. -Did I forget anything?   (The maps do not account for any impractical or impossible connections either).

Whether the average traveller would be aware of all his/her options, ORD/ S. Asia, is another matter. Perhaps EK has an advantage in that many would recognize it as the place to go for "one-stop shopping" (pun?).

EK, however, does not enjoy an advantage to its peers in having more destinations in S. Asia or shorter distances to cover, would it fly from ORD.

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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:03 pm

It is my understanding that the AA flight was almost full in all 3 cabins on most flights, so the market is there. I will though agree EK and QR do not seem quick to start ORD. Could EK or QR do a fifth freedom ORD-DEL direct if they suddently wanted
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):
This is true, I have had the misfortune of taking that flight.

I also took that flight - EY250 - and had a great time! OK Etihad do, alas, have 3-4-3 seating on their 777-300ERs, but a great interior, printed menu, great catering, plenty of IFE, good timings (dep 2100ish, arr 1900+1ish); seriously, if this doesn't rock your world, don't ever fly a US carrier, or most European carriers. They are not better.

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 16):
Could EK or QR do a fifth freedom ORD-DEL direct if they suddently wanted

No way. Not in a million years. EK aren't even allowed to fly A380s on DXB-DEL (or any Indian city).
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:25 pm

I flew AA ORD-DEL several times and it was almost always near full or full. I guess there are other factors causing AA to loose money, but I just don't seem them loosing $40 million a year on it. Maybe it was light on cargo, fuel costs too high and the landing fees in Delhi were supposedly outrageous.
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting md94 (Reply 18):
but I just don't seem them loosing $40 million a year on it. Maybe it was light on cargo, fuel costs too high and the landing fees in Delhi were supposedly outrageous.

Probably a combination of all the above.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 15):
For example, these maps do not include any interlining from hubs which could occur, any transfers that could be made in DEL from AI’s nonstop or any that could be made in PK’s hubs to other South Asian destinations or any transfers that could be made in other US, Canadian or East Asian hubs. -Did I forget anything?

ORD-DEL on AI continues to HYD (same plane service). Also RJ flies ORD-Amman, which provides connections to many middle east cities.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 20):
RJ flies ORD-Amman, which provides connections to many middle east cities.

AMM is on the first map with its S. Asian connections, in case you didn't notice. The OP specifically alluded to connections to S. Asia (as well as SE Asia), not to the M-E.

Quoting hohd (Reply 20):
ORD-DEL on AI continues to HYD (same plane service)

That I had never noticed before. Thanks for pointing that out!

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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 13):
I don't think that AA's removal of ORD-DEL traffic will affect EK that much. If PK (or even more drastically, AI) were to pull the plug on ORD, THEN I think the barriers to entry would be lowered for EK and they would certainly jump in.

   I do not see enough service removed to spike ORD demand. I see EK at ORD, just not for a few years.


After DFW, MIA is the next city I would expect to see on EK's america route map.

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Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 16):
Could EK or QR do a fifth freedom ORD-DEL direct if they suddently wanted

Haha, no. I would be shocked if the Ministry of Aviation let a private INDIAN carrier (9W, IT) compete with AI. A carrier from another country? No way. Not happening.


American's issue was that the yield wasn't enough to cover the ULH nonstop. Having a connection in Europe reduces cost, and therefore is profitable at a similar yield.

AA's costs sucked as well, but the biggest problem was yield.
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:59 am

Does it make sense to pull out when Kingfisher is about to enter oneworld. This certainly would improve AA's numbers. Unless AA is making space for Kingfisher to fill.
 
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 17):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):
This is true, I have had the misfortune of taking that flight.

I also took that flight - EY250 - and had a great time! OK Etihad do, alas, have 3-4-3 seating on their 777-300ERs, but a great interior, printed menu, great catering, plenty of IFE, good timings (dep 2100ish, arr 1900+1ish); seriously, if this doesn't rock your world, don't ever fly a US carrier, or most European carriers. They are not better.

It's all fine and good but as you said their seating is the pits, and the most uncomfortable coach seats in the sky.

Back on the topic... AA's move will not influence EK..There are already plenty of other carriers that will pick up the slack.
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
This flight is 15 hours per sector, the longest in AA's route system thus the most expensive to fuel.

Agreed, but that still doesn't imply they're losing money, as opposed to merely not making enough. We just don't know.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting WROORD (Reply 24):
Does it make sense to pull out when Kingfisher is about to enter oneworld. This certainly would improve AA's numbers. Unless AA is making space for Kingfisher to fill.

Not by much. Kingfisher is practically toast unless it gets its act together, which isn't a promising/compelling reason for AA to keep bleeding money on ULH routes in the midst of restructuring.

If IT's situation was more like 9W's, and AA's like DL or UA's, then it would be a completely different landscape. But, while painful, the AA decision to drop DEL makes complete sense on paper.

On the flip side, AA can re-route a lot of their US-based Point of Sale traffic over LHR to get to India on BA, or even NRT via JAL. JAL will actually be sending their 787s to Delhi 3x weekly starting in late March.
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 26):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
This flight is 15 hours per sector, the longest in AA's route system thus the most expensive to fuel.

Agreed, but that still doesn't imply they're losing money, as opposed to merely not making enough. We just don't know.

In a non BK world I would view India a destination AA should fly to, tying up a 777 for 35 hours for a roundtrip from ORD-DEL-ORD. That 777 could be lots more productive to LHR, GRU, EZE, GIG or NRT.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:05 pm

As the rest have pointed out, EK at the moment does have plenty of competition to India from ORD. I'm sure that will not stop them from coming to ORD sometime in the future. But what will EK do to steal India traffic from the present carriers offering connections to India, cheaper fares? I'm sure EY is happy to have plenty AA passengers going to India fly with them now that the DEL flight is going away.

Something no one has mentioned yet, how likely is it Jet Airways may have their sights set on starting flights to ORD from India or BRU? Maybe nonstop flights with 77W or when they get the 787s delivered for BOM-ORD.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 29):
As the rest have pointed out, EK at the moment does have plenty of competition to India from ORD. I'm sure that will not stop them from coming to ORD sometime in the future. But what will EK do to steal India traffic from the present carriers offering connections to India, cheaper fares? I'm sure EY is happy to have plenty AA passengers going to India fly with them now that the DEL flight is going away.

Although a significant chunk of the capacity EK is funneling over DXB from North America, Indian traffic alone isn't the only segment EK can carry. There are also people going to places in the Middle East and Africa, so the pool is probably a wee bit larger than people forecast. Nevertheless, I agree that with the order they have coming in, EK inevitably will land at ORD, whether sooner or later.

The EY flight to ORD uses a very bottom-heavy 77W. It will be interesting to see if over time, once the DEL flight is gone, they will send a different a/c to ORD that may be more premium-heavy, but my guess is that the premium traffic that flew AA on ORDDEL will probably just shift over to AA/BA/IB over LHR unless AA strengthens its partnership ties with EY significantly.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 29):
Something no one has mentioned yet, how likely is it Jet Airways may have their sights set on starting flights to ORD from India or BRU? Maybe nonstop flights with 77W or when they get the 787s delivered for BOM-ORD.

Theoretically, Jet Airways USED to codeshare on the AA ORDBRU flight back when it was still operating and still had a code share agreement with AA. But given the situation, I think that the barriers to entry are too high for 9W to come into ORD. For one, you have the Air India flight operating daily nonstop. Secondly, the competition from Middle Eastern carriers is rising at ORD. So you already have several 1-stop options for passengers flying from ORD to secondary markets throughout Southeast Asia. Based on this, what edge would 9W have if it required a European stoppover, adding an extra leg to the journey and not really able to differentiate from any other European flag carrier flying into ORD?

The Indian Aviation environment is a complete mess, anyways. The GOI needs to figure that whole situation out before everything goes into complete crisis mode. ULH expansion should really not be the focus of any of the three main carriers right now. They need to pay off their employees first, as well as their debts!
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 27):

On the flip side, AA can re-route a lot of their US-based Point of Sale traffic over LHR to get to India on BA, or even NRT via JAL. JAL will actually be sending their 787s to Delhi 3x weekly starting in late March.

They should look HEL since AY is there. If you look where the flight paths from JFK and ORD goes HEL is better suited than LHR or NRT  
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting teme82 (Reply 31):
They should look HEL since AY is there. If you look where the flight paths from JFK and ORD goes HEL is better suited than LHR or NRT

Seeing as AY only flies to Delhi in S. Asia and that AA only flies to HEL seasonally (at least I hope its a seasonal pause and not a route jettisoned in BK), there's not much of a reason or the opportunity for a traveller to use Finnair, ORD-India, unfortunately.
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:50 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 30):
The EY flight to ORD uses a very bottom-heavy 77W. It will be interesting to see if over time, once the DEL flight is gone, they will send a different a/c to ORD that may be more premium-heavy, but my guess is that the premium traffic that flew AA on ORDDEL will probably just shift over to AA/BA/IB over LHR unless AA strengthens its partnership ties with EY significantly.

Along with EK's planning, I doubt the departure of ORD-DEL will make any difference at all in what EY does. I wonder just how many paying first class passengers actually took this AA flight. Tickets for EY's flights can be purchased on AA's website already. EY already downgraded ORD from a premium heavy aircraft already once before. AA leaving DEL will definitely not prompt EY to reinstate a top heavy aircraft to AUH. Fewer high paying customers is probably what's kept out EK and QR out of ORD this long.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 30):
Although a significant chunk of the capacity EK is funneling over DXB from North America, Indian traffic alone isn't the only segment EK can carry. There are also people going to places in the Middle East and Africa, so the pool is probably a wee bit larger than people forecast. Nevertheless, I agree that with the order they have coming in, EK inevitably will land at ORD, whether sooner or later.

Exactly.

I am amazed how long this thread is. AA dropping a route to DEL ALONE will not propel EK to serve from DXB. It's not going to make any difference. Yes, EK will probably start ORD at some point, but that could be anytime.

I recall when CO launched EWR-OSL. SK announced they were dropping OSL-EWR like days before CO reacted with their own service. We are not going to see anything like that here.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:33 am

I have been informed by friends who work at ORD airport itself that EK will be launching daily ORD-DXB nonstop flights effective 6th July 2012 with a B 77W. Can anyone else who has friends working at O'Hare airport also verify this piece of news from them.

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:47 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 32):
Seeing as AY only flies to Delhi in S. Asia and that AA only flies to HEL seasonally (at least I hope its a seasonal pause and not a route jettisoned in BK), there's not much of a reason or the opportunity for a traveller to use Finnair, ORD-India, unfortunately.
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They were on ORD-HEL-DEL route they would got 7 hours layover at HEL. And return would have been over 24 hours ... But if they would put their heads together they could managed to make it to work.  
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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 34):
I have been informed by friends who work at ORD airport itself that EK will be launching daily ORD-DXB nonstop flights effective 6th July 2012 with a B 77W. Can anyone else who has friends working at O'Hare airport also verify this piece of news from them.

Wouldn't that be ironic! Perhaps you should start a separate thread (with the word "rumor" in the title) on the tip and see what shakes out.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 35):
ORD-DEL is roughly 6500 nm and via HEL it is 6680 nm  

Helsinki IS perfectly situated for transfers US - S. Asia! Too bad AY's strategy is Europe - Asia and seems to have not the slightest interest in adding any other N. American destinations  
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 33):
AA dropping a route to DEL ALONE will not propel EK to serve from DXB. It's not going to make any difference

Yes, yes, as you have said on this thread, what, five times? You've made your point, time to move on?
  

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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 33):
I am amazed how long this thread is. AA dropping a route to DEL ALONE will not propel EK to serve from DXB. It's not going to make any difference. Yes, EK will probably start ORD at some point, but that could be anytime.

Well, I mean its fair for people to speculate. It's not a completely outrageous idea. Stranger things have happened.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 33):
I recall when CO launched EWR-OSL. SK announced they were dropping OSL-EWR like days before CO reacted with their own service. We are not going to see anything like that here.

Again, not really a valid comparison. EWR-OSL is a highly premium market for O&G purposes that also can be right-sized with a fuel efficient 75L. CO rakes it in on that route. Also, half the size, distance-wise, as ORD-Southeast Asia.

But I get your point, I am being pedantic.

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 36):
Helsinki IS perfectly situated for transfers US - S. Asia! Too bad AY's strategy is Europe - Asia and seems to have not the slightest interest in adding any other N. American destinations

North America-Asia is highly saturated. Few actual "need" exists in a form that AY can do profitably. Also, connecting traffic is generally lower-yielding. If AY were able to capture a decent O&D component going between several North American points and HEL, then expanding would lead to greater profits.

But, as you can see, they've tried a few routes (i.e. SFO, YYZ, MCO, etc) that haven't worked for them. Even ORD cannot be done year-round, so therefore there's really no low-hanging fruit for them on this side.

If they were able to develop an LCC model similar to FI at KEF, then maybe they could fill that niche, but then again, the competition between NA and Asia is pretty stiff and they are further apart, so it may not be a sustainable model for AY to operate or split.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 34):
I have been informed by friends who work at ORD airport itself that EK will be launching daily ORD-DXB nonstop flights effective 6th July 2012 with a B 77W. Can anyone else who has friends working at O'Hare airport also verify this piece of news from them.

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RE: AA Drops ORD-DEL,EK Opportunity?

Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 36):
Helsinki IS perfectly situated for transfers US - S. Asia! Too bad AY's strategy is Europe - Asia and seems to have not the slightest interest in adding any other N. American destinations

Yeah it seems that their R&D department is not trying to gain foot hold in the US - S. Asia market. One reason would be the time tables. Even the AY JFK flight has poor connection times to DEL flight.
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