olddominion727
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UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:19 pm

All I can think of is:

BNALGW-AA
EWRLHR-AA
PHLLHR (briefly right after PA left)-AA
JFKLHR-UA
BOSLHR-UA

These routes would seem viable except BNALGW, any chance of a return?

How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?

UA did fly DENLHR for two years, seasonally. UA just found the aircraft was needed elsewhere. Don't look for a return for that route anytime soon.

UA and US were planning to merge during 2000-01 and DENLGW was to be flown to complement US' PITLGW and CLTLGW. PHLLGW was to be transferred to LHR.
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:44 pm

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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):

All I can think of is:

BNALGW-AA
EWRLHR-AA
PHLLHR (briefly right after PA left)-AA
JFKLHR-UA
BOSLHR-UA

These routes would seem viable except BNALGW, any chance of a return?

How come no DENLON? If BA can pull it off on a route that started at LGW, why can't UA?

Well these routes seem pretty well covered, except for BNA-LON.

EWR has VS, UA/CO and BA (JV partner of AA) so no need for AA to re-enter.
PHL has US and BA (JV with AA) so no need for AA to re-enter.
JFK has DL, BA/AA, VS, and a few others so its a pretty crowded market, no need for UA to re-enter.
BOS has DL, BA/AA, VS, no need for UA to re-enter.

That about sums it up.

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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:45 pm

AA operated STLLGW for a brief period after the TWA acquisition.
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:47 pm

UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

I don't know if you count it but they had LHR-BRU and LHR-DEL as well.
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):

yes, you're right, and didn't they also do PAR for just a season?
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:02 pm

Also, I know AA applied, but was denied, for SJCLGW authority. Ah, yes, the good ol' Bermuda II days.
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Also, I know AA applied, but was denied, for SJCLGW authority. Ah, yes, the good ol' Bermuda II days.

They were denied? I thought they got it, but didn't start service because they started pulling down SJC. Also, I thought SFO and SJC were considered co-terminals as far as Bermuda 2, so SJC would have done LHR. Is that not correct?

Yeah, AA intended to serve NRT, TPE, CDG. LHR or LGW and GDL from SJC internationally. Those were the days.
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:23 pm

Don't forget AA's venture north of London, with ORD-STN (1992-3) and JFK-STN (2007-8)
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

When UA bought Pan Am's LHR routes in 1990 or 1991 I think UA kept operating them for a few years. They also had LAX-LHR during that period. I think they dropped SEA-LHR before LAX-LHR.
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I think they dropped SEA-LHR before LAX-LHR.

....they still fly LAX-LHR
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
UA briefly had SEA-LHR in the early 90s.

And NW tried this in 2008, but that didn't last...
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):

Also SJO... because they were trying to figure out how to market San Jose to San Jose (sincerely)
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:31 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
And NW tried this in 2008, but that didn't last...

Part of that was because their slot and flight times were terrible. People have speculated the route may have worked if the times were better.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 13):
Also SJO... because they were trying to figure out how to market San Jose to San Jose (sincerely)

I assume that's a joke. I'm not aware that AA really wanted to do SJC-SJO non-stop.
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):

No kidding, they wanted to fly 757's on the route to SJO & LIR, but instead it was moved to LAX (SJO only). At one time, they'd even talked about SAO. They'd be the only carrier in N. Cal to offer n/s service. But at the time, they were having a pilot crunch.

They were trying to determine (mainly to connecting traffice through SJC), do you wanna TO SJO or thru SJC!!
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:24 am

Many moon a go AA did BHX, yes?
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
any moon a go AA did BHX, yes?

Yes, in fact they did:

ORD-BHX
ORD-ARN
ORD-MXP
ORD-ZRH
 
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:09 pm

AA also did JFK-GLA with a 75L, I think it just lasted 1 season and then they dropped it. Could've been early 2000's or late 90's, can't remember exactly.
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RE: UA & AA Past LON Routes?

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 18):
AA also did JFK-GLA with a 75L, I think it just lasted 1 season and then they dropped it. Could've been early 2000's or late 90's, can't remember exactly.

Wasn't that the one the flew initially in 1993 then dropped?

AA restarted 757 TATL from IIRC, Boston/Logan to Manchester in 2005 or 2006 -- selling it as a single cabin with upgrading all the elite to first class section. That strategy did not last long. Initially they were trying to sell JFK-NCL with the 757 in fall 2005, (single cabin strategy) but advanced bookings were so poor that it never started service.
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