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CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:29 pm

I know the 757 has really worked for CO's route structure, but are we going to see UA bring back 76's or 77's WASPAR, EWRPAR, EWRLHR? Some can argue these routes are flagship routes. You'd never use your "Second-String" quarter back to play the superbowl. What gives? If I was flying a code-share EWRLON on a VS flight #, in upper class, on a CO 757 I'd be pissed!!
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
If I was flying a code-share EWRLON on a VS flight #, in upper class, on a CO 757 I'd be pissed!!

Why? The product is just as good as on the widebody, it is not like they are flying around with domestic first class seats. Y is basically the same as their 777s and superior to (mostl) of their 767s.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:12 pm

Having flown in BusinessFirst on a CO 757 I can honestly say it was an excellent experience. The new seats are very comfortable, excellent dining, very courteous and professional crew, no complaints at all. Wish I could say the same last time I flew VS....
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 2):
Having flown in BusinessFirst on a CO 757 I can honestly say it was an excellent experience. The new seats are very comfortable, excellent dining, very courteous and professional crew, no complaints at all. Wish I could say the same last time I flew VS....

I was happy in the old BF seats HAM-EWR. The AVOD screens were tiny, but the system worked well (didn't crash all the time like some other carriers of the time), and the seat itself was a comfy padded recliner from yesteryear, not the awful seat on the 767. I'm sure the new seats are step up there.
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:32 pm

I don't think UA operates prestige or flagship routes anymore. Prestige does not earn economic viability.

I wouldn't equate the 757s to a backup quarterback. In the long run they will be operated to routes that cannot sustain the larger business and first class cabins that are on the widebodies. The one anomaly appears to be EWR-LHR. I am a bit surprised that they are not operating First class on that route yet.

As far as Paris is concerned, the fact that it was downgauged, likely indicates that First Class was not selling. There is no reason to bring it back to a PMUA aircraft if F doesn't sell (some might claim 757 fuel diversions is a reason, but I'll leave that discussion for the other thread). Zurich on the other hand did justify First Class, so PMUA equipment is operating that route.
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:36 pm

What is the big deal with 757's doing UK flights. It allows customers to choose routes into smaller airports allowing for direct flights. It also allows for more frequency into LHR.

I have flown out of BHX many times on CO 757's in both Business First and Economy there is no difference to a UA 777 unless you want the first suite.

I have also flown out of LHR many times on CO 757's and I much prefer the frequency that CO has over UA. Better to have 5 directs to choose from compared to 2 777 and 1 767 to KIAD. Also keep in mind I would much rather sit in Y on a CO 757 than a UA767 any day. My wife and I flew on UA923 last week.....what a mess.

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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:58 pm

I flew a 757 across the Atlantic back in 2008 - Granted it wasn't CO or a major airline; however I found the experience bearable and I would not have a problem taking another 757 across the pond again. I think what really matters is the on-board product rather than the aircraft type. Sure, its nice to have a wide-body, but what is better - a 757 service, or no service.

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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 5):
What is the big deal with 757's doing UK flights. It allows customers to choose routes into smaller airports allowing for direct flights. It also allows for more frequency into LHR.

I don't think anyone disputes the ability of the 757 to viably operate routes to secondary UK and EU airports, I think what the OP was talking about was the use of the 757 on major European routes to LHR and CDG from NYC and WAS. I have to somewhat agree, even though the 757 product may be the same as their wide-body product, there have been multiple times where I've purposefully avoided UA/CO to CDG or LON when I had a wide-body alternative.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:12 pm

Only flown the 752 twice across the Atlantic (both with US), but I enjoyed it - and wouldn't mind doing it again.
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting poLOT (Reply 1):
Why? The product is just as good as on the widebody, it is not like they are flying around with domestic first class seats. Y is basically the same as their 777s and superior to (mostl) of their 767s.

I'd have to say I beg to differ.

Virgin Upper Class knocks seven bells out of CO Business First on the 757 (less so on the 777 but VS UC is still a superior product from check in to the gate to the destination) and I say that as a loyal One Pass member of with 1m+ miles on CO (so I am a CO fan in general - just not of the 757). I miss my VS flights from SFO - LHR. Now taking the UA 777 makes more sense for FF miles but the experience is not nearly as good as on VS.

[Edited 2012-01-17 16:15:23]

[Edited 2012-01-17 16:16:34]
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:08 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 7):
I think what the OP was talking about was the use of the 757 on major European routes to LHR and CDG from NYC and WAS.

Fortunately, if you are dead set against the 757 for some reason, there are widebody alternatives available for all of these flights.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 9):
I'd have to say I beg to differ.

Virgin Upper Class knocks seven bells out of CO Business First on the 757 (less so on the 777 but VS UC is still a superior product from check in to the gate to the destination) and I say that as a loyal One Pass member of with 1m+ miles on CO (so I am a CO fan in general - just not of the 757). I miss my VS flights from SFO - LHR. Now taking the UA 777 makes more sense for FF miles but the experience is not nearly as good as on VS.

I would also think that BA in F is a no brainer to fly compared to a UA 757, no?
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 9):
Virgin Upper Class knocks seven bells out of CO Business First on the 757 (less so on the 777 but VS UC is still a superior product from check in to the gate to the destination) and I say that as a loyal One Pass member of with 1m+ miles on CO (so I am a CO fan in general - just not of the 757).

Good point about the ground based differences. United Club is no match for the Upper Class Lounge. Free meal before departure v. a few snacks? Check-in at VS is superior than the overcrowded Premier/Elite lines at CO/UA as well. On board, CO has closed the gap on the seating, but international J is an overall experience, not just seats.
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:22 am

I have trips to HAM STR & BHX soon all on CO/UA 757s. Gigneil said they are all making tech stops on the return flight. Would it not be more cost efficient to upgauge vs. a tech stop?
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 13):
I have trips to HAM STR & BHX soon all on CO/UA 757s. Gigneil said they are all making tech stops on the return flight. Would it not be more cost efficient to upgauge vs. a tech stop?

  

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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 5):

I think secondary airports like MAN, NCE, EDI, BFS, BHX, DUS etc. do favorably with the smaller equipment, the traffic is more concentrated as is the loyalty. But LON, PAR, FRA, MAD world capitals... just surprising, esepcially LON
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:11 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 13):
I have trips to HAM STR & BHX soon all on CO/UA 757s. Gigneil said they are all making tech stops on the return flight. Would it not be more cost efficient to upgauge vs. a tech stop?

No.

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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:12 am

I would think a carrier like UA/CO would do better with 1, 762,63,64 or 777 than 2 757's. Thinking of the extra ground and cabin staff, gate space, fuel, time and repuation when a diversion is needed for fuel (and the foreign flagships don't have that issue). You know SK, BA, LH, AZ, IB all fly their jumbos to a US carrier's 757. AC is closer to EU than we are from CAN, and I guarantee you they'd own 75's if they could use them as a quality flagship workhorse like CO/UA/AA/DL/US are attempting. If we want air travel to be better in this country, we have to step up and make a name for it. I flew a UA 757 HNLDEN, F class it was wonderful 7hr flight for a domestic flight. But if I or my company is pay $7-10k roundtrip ticket in the C/F cabins then let's get real and have an experience. As another A.netter wrote J/F is an experience not just a seat. If I am in Manhattan and don't have time for dinner before dashing to the airport, I wanna know I can have that experience upon arrival at the airport. Otherwise, what am I paying for, still listening to screaming kids in the same over-crowded check-in consuls, stalled at security, and waiting in line to even get into the plane. As already pointed out, I can fly VS, BA, LH and have dinner, as well as be totally efficient upon arriving at the airport before departure and on arrival with showers. We need to get into the game. The US carriers used to be the best, but like other things made in America we seem to be falling to others like the Europeans and Asians. They're proud of their carriers and give them best service (attempt to), we should do them same!
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 9):
Virgin Upper Class knocks seven bells out of CO Business First on the 757 (less so on the 777 but VS UC is still a superior product from check in to the gate to the destination) and I say that as a loyal One Pass member of with 1m+ miles on CO (so I am a CO fan in general - just not of the 757). I miss my VS flights from SFO - LHR. Now taking the UA 777 makes more sense for FF miles but the experience is not nearly as good as on VS.

I see what you are saying but then again we are comparing apples and oranges here. Virgin has a fantastic product which is far superior to any US carrier.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 18):
I see what you are saying but then again we are comparing apples and oranges here. Virgin has a fantastic product which is far superior to any US carrier.

That was the point of the original poster when he said:

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
If I was flying a code-share EWRLON on a VS flight #, in upper class, on a CO 757 I'd be pissed!!

Subsequently refuted by poLOT:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 1):
Why? The product is just as good as on the widebody, it is not like they are flying around with domestic first class seats. Y is basically the same as their 777s and superior to (mostl) of their 767s.


Don't get me wrong I agree with you, but the point is the travel experiences are far from the same.

Unfortunately sometimes the product you get via a code share, can be very different than the product you are used to from "home brand". Not to belabour the point, but the VS 747 or A340 "Upper Class" product, versus the CO/UA 757 "Business First" product, clearly illustrate such code share distinctions from check in all the way through to disembarking the aircraft.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
If I was flying a code-share EWRLON on a VS flight #, in upper class, on a CO 757 I'd be pissed!!

You won't have to worry much longer. I understand this partnership will soon come to an end when CO become UA.
 
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 9):
I'd have to say I beg to differ.

While I agreed above, the original poster was saying that somehow the 777 of UA/CO would be better than the 757 to a Virgin customer, and I'm not sure, because the ground experience is still the same. When not on VS metal, you don't get the special services you are talking about anyway, so it's truly a matter of 757 vs larger and in my experience, other than row 4 of the 757 being freezing, I didn't experience an appreciable difference between the 757 and 777 in BF on CO, and preferred both to the 767 for sleeping. I wouldn't be more or less disappointed as a VS customer expecting something else...
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RE: CO's 757 To UK & EU

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 19):

thanks   LOL

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