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Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:44 am

Alaska has announced new service from SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT, SAN-STS AND RNO-SJC, in addition to one additional STS-LAX flight for the summer. All flights will be operated by Horizon Air on the Q400. Flights begin on 6/4 and 6/5. This copied from the internal website:

Horizon Air will expand Air Group’s network this summer with new flying on behalf of Alaska Airlines in California. Alaska is adding daily nonstop service from San Diego to Monterey and Santa Rosa, and twice-daily service to Fresno. Two daily flights between San Jose and Reno are also being added as well as a third daily summer flight between Los Angeles and Santa Rosa.

All of the new flying will be operated by Horizon on its Bombardier Q400 turboprops, starting June 4 and 5.

“This is exciting news for Horizon, and yet more proof that our business transformation is paying off,” Horizon President Glenn Johnson said. “What makes this additional service possible is the increased Q400 reliability we’ve worked so hard to achieve.”
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.


San Diego-Fresno flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 San Diego-Fresno 9:15 a.m. 10:50 a.m. Daily
June 4 San Diego-Fresno 8:45 p.m. 10:20 p.m. Daily
June 4 Fresno-San Diego 7:15 a.m. 8:42 a.m. Daily
June 4 Fresno-San Diego 6:45 p.m. 8:12 p.m. Daily

San Diego-Monterey flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 San Diego-Monterey 6:55 p.m. 8:37 p.m. Daily
June 5 Monterey-San Diego 7:30 a.m. 9:12 a.m. Daily

San Diego-Santa Rosa flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 5 San Diego-Santa Rosa 9:45 a.m. 11:50 a.m. Daily
June 4 Santa Rosa-San Diego 4:25 p.m. 6:22 p.m. Daily

San Jose-Reno flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 5 Reno-San Jose 6 a.m. 7:08 a.m. Daily
June 4 Reno-San Jose 2:15 p.m. 3:23 p.m. Daily
June 4 San Jose-Reno 11:55 a.m. 1 p.m. Daily
June 4 San Jose-Reno 10:20 p.m. 11:25 p.m. Daily

Summary of seasonal Santa Rosa-Los Angeles service:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 Santa Rosa-Los Angeles 1:35 p.m. 3:09 p.m. Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri
June 4 Los Angeles-Santa Rosa 11:30 a.m. 1:04 p.m. Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri

All times based on local time zones
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:47 am

WHERE'S SANFAN?!?!? CALLING SANFAN, YOO HOO YOU GOT SOME SERVICE!!!  

Great to see more additions from Alaska and Horizon!

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:48 am

You are kidding me!!!!!! ASFlyer, you have just MADE MY YEAR; thank you for the fantastic news!

That's what I've been talking about!

Now to go back and look at the details....

  

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:50 am

atrude777, I had to revive myself before I could respond.....

OMG this is wonderful!

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:58 am

Since AS started sitting on 3 gates at Lindbergh a few years ago, I had a feeling future QX service might be part of the reason. Of course in the meantime, Alaska mainline has been slowly but surely expanding to where they now need all 3 gates at a few times during the day.

FAT and MRY are the most obvious needs we in SAN have been wishing for since the days of ExpressJet; both routes should do very well with the Q400 and it is fantastic to see the Alaska Group continuing to believe in and build their presence at SDIA.

STS makes sense as well and I'm sure AS/QX has thouroughly done their homework and feel the same.

Four new flights a day this summer! Thank you TAG!

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
Alaska has announced new service from SAN-MRY

This is the first positive thing to come out of MRY in about three years...

ExpressJet service @ MRY - canceled
Delta service SLC-MRY - canceled
Allegiant service SAN-MRY - canceled

This is welcome news.

[Edited 2012-01-17 21:02:41]
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:06 am

Hopefully these routes will do well from SAN. AS seems like they have slowly been adding flights their. I wonder if AS would ever consider adding KOA/LIH/CUN service from there?
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting B595 (Reply 5):
This is the first positive thing to come out of MRY in about three years...
ExecJet service @ MRY - canceled
Delta service SLC-MRY - canceled
Allegiant service SAN-MRY - canceled
This is welcome news

Needless to say, agreed!

ExpressJet stopped flying (everywhere) in fall of 2008, offering at the time, 2x daily SAN-MRY and 3x daily SAN-FAT. Both routes did well on XE.

G4 offered 2x weekly SAN-MRY service between May 2009 and July 2010; many believed that the route needed smaller a/c and more frequent (daily) service. Voila!, enter Horizon!

And I do know that MRY wanted this service (to SAN) and I'm betting Fresno, as well as San Diego, have been working long and hard on making this possible as well!

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 6):
I wonder if AS would ever consider adding KOA/LIH/CUN service from there?

KOA/LIH wouldn't surprise me at all from SAN -- maybe even this year. SAN-CUN - no, but maybe some other Mexico routes?...

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:18 am

Hmmm!! I don't believe this for one minute unless you or someone like Hatbutton can cough up the press release from Alaska Air Group...sorry ASFlyer...sounds too good to be true.

However, if this is true, it's quite a surprise! I hope some of this service becomes year-round. Also, I hope MRY eventually gets a SEA flight. 737's back in MRY? Yeah, right.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
You are kidding me!!!!!! ASFlyer, you have just MADE MY YEAR; thank you for the fantastic news!

That's what I've been talking about!

Now to go back and look at the details....

I just hope the San Diego community supports the service. Otherwise, it will gone like some of the past service from SAN. I also hope that at least some of this service is successful enough to be year-round. I don't want to hear any complaints from you anymore!
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:19 am

FAT-SAN? About time someone brought that back, glad it is QX. It is a route that has good potential (my wife is sitting here and is already talking about a getaway).

Looks like FAT-SAN is going to start as low as $59 one way.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Hmmm!! I don't believe this for one minute unless you or someone like Hatbutton can cough up the press release from Alaska Air Group...sorry ASFlyer...sounds too good to be true.

Flights are already coming up at the website.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:27 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
Flights are already coming up at the website.

Just sounded too good to be true. I wish AS/QX great luck on these routes.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:36 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Just sounded too good to be true.

I agree which was why I started checking to see if they were listed. Couldn't find the PR but the flights are loaded.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:37 am

So will MRY be the only contiguous US destination not served nonstop/directly with SEA and/or PDX?
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:38 am

Ok...I stand corrected. As FATFlyer mentioned, the flights are available in Alaskaair.com.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.

Does the STS-LAS route come back after the summer season? Maybe both routes will exist later.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:39 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Also, I hope MRY eventually gets a SEA flight. 737's back in MRY? Yeah, right.

I could see a Q400 doing MRY-SEA maybe. It's no longer than the FAT-SEA Q400 flight, which was tolerable especially with free beer. I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

Was STS-LAS not doing well? I think that route originally started as a late evening route from STS utilizing a Q400 that was RON, rather than sitting at STS for those late evening hours.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
SAN-CUN - no, but maybe some other Mexico routes?...

AS seems to have given up on CUN. I could maybe see SAN-GDL and SAN-MEX.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
So will MRY be the only contiguous US destination not served nonstop/directly with SEA and/or PDX?

MMH also.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:43 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

They are still code sharing with AA Eagle LAXMRY
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

Same here. The only rationale I can think of is filling the void left by G4's brief service. But we'll see what happens. I still hope MRY is successful as STS and obtains more service, namely LAX, PDX and SEA. I understand that STS has far different demographics, but MRY has potential.

Who will be handling QX at MRY?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
MMH also.

MMH has direct one-stop service to PDX via SJC.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:26 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
SAN-STS

Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
RNO-SJC

I had a feeling about this one with WN dropping the route this spring. Good to see another flight for them out of SJC. Now they have another gate, lots of room for more expansion.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
AS seems to have given up on CUN.

It's a hard market to make work from the west coast.  
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

It flies SEA-STS daily amongst other routes that are longer than SAN-STS.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:30 am

Looks like the SAN experiment has finally begun. I hope these routes do well as I'd love to see us build up SAN.

Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon  
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:36 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 21):
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

It flies SEA-STS daily amongst other routes that are longer than SAN-STS.

They do SEA-FAT; and surprisingly I saw SEA-OAK on a Q400 last time I was at SEA. I'd do QX on SEA-SJC just for the novelty (and free beer) if they ever did that.

SAN-STS really isn't that far, maybe 500 miles at the most. Not even close to the range of a Q400, or its existing routes.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 19):
Good to see another flight for them out of SJC.

I'm not surprised at SJC-RNO either with WN dropping it, but would rather have seen TVL. Yeah, let's hope for more from SJC: PVR, MEX. ORD, TUS, SNA, DCA, BOS, MIA, AUS (again). YVR and ANC seasonally probably wouldn't work from SJC as much as I'd like to see it. RDU might work, but I'd expect they'd do SEA-RDU first.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:40 am

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):

Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

Not fair to tease us like that.    I bet there will be some announcements on Jan 26 on the year end earnings call.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting gmcc (Reply 24):

[Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22): Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon]
Not fair to tease us like that. I bet there will be some announcements on Jan 26 on the year end earnings call

Absolutely, not fair....

We know there are at least 3 new mainline a/c coming later this year -- I'm pretty sure the three 738s coming in the first half of the year are already spoken for -- so some new things are definitely coming in the fall!

But I am curious; QX is going to be starting quite a few new flights in early June. The xl-ing of STS-LAS is mentioned as a source for the new lift, but where are the rest of the new routes coming from? Seasonal adjustments, other cancellations, or is QX finding a couple more frames somewhere? (I haven't had the time yet to create turn sked's for the new service but my assumption is that more than 1 a/c will be needed for these new routes/flights. I could be very wrong about that... Anyone?)

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:29 am

Good news for FAT. I go to San Diego to often and now i dont have to drive! and the fishermans landing is right next to the airport  
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:03 am

Quoting fat-g4 (Reply 26):
Good news for FAT. I go to San Diego to often and now i dont have to drive! and the fishermans landing is right next to the airport

Assuming by your screenname that you might be associated with Allegiant in Fresno (?), some of us have been waiting for a couple of years for G4 to get something going in the FAT-SAN market since XE ended service. They never have of course and I'm sure this QX service (at the announced frequency on the selected - perfect - aircraft) should be a huge success.

It's interesting to note that when XE was providing n/s service in the market, there were nice healthy numbers reported in the DOT quarterly reports; as soon as the service ended, the numbers fell dramatically as people jumped on hwy 99/I-5, or a bus (or train?), and some even "leaked" through LAX. SAN-FAT is certainly not a unique market to such a phenominon but it IS a good example of it. Judging by the fact that QX is starting with 2 dailys in the market, they have a good idea of the expected number of pax that will now choose to leave the car at home and hop on their airplane.

I think SAN-MRY is a bit different in that it's a bit of a long drive for a lot of people to make, especially business (and military) folks. This is instead a case of major leakage through either SJC or LAX when no n/s service exists. I remember last year there was an article by the MRY airport folks saying that SAN was a market that really existed and they were intent on finding someone to provide air service; they had done research and knew there were a lot of daily travelers between the 2 cities. I'm happy that the route planners at QX have decided to see if what people were saying is true!

One final thought (in this post anyway.) I don't know if the initial plan for the 3 SAN-routes calls for seasonal or year-'round service but I see no reason why any of the 3 should not work 12 months of the year. Summer is a given but I don't see any huge drop-off in pax between October and March either. I would therefore hope, a/c availability permitting, to see these routes as permanent.

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:46 pm

Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:52 pm

Someone at AS really is really hot with the new routes regionally and across the country. SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA. QX can hopefully make $$$$ at SJCRNO being that WN couldn't... SANSTS, not sure about, it's worth a try though.

They've really beefed up SJC: SEA, PDX, PSP, RNO, SJD, HNL, KOA, LIH, OGG, BOI, MMH, SMF, LAX (granted some are seasonal) but AS obviously sees a growing need where AA/AE couldn't make it work because of their overhead costs. AS is brilliant and really carving out a niche on the west coast. Not so much just MX & Pacific NW. They're going to many places and trying many new routes.

They also codeshare with AA & DL on many flights, and all flights go towards AAdvantage Gold & Skymiles Elite. SJC is frothing at the mouth for more service since AA left. They've been on a hunt for someone to make SJC a focus city or regional hub. Granted this is not on that scale yet, but it's quickly becoming a place of interest on the AS route map. I like the fact that these times are also geared towards the business needs of travelers.

Any chance we'll see AUS return? I worked a major Korean Electronics manufacturer and they always had someone on those AS flights to/from AUS, ALWAYS

Great Job AS team, keep it up!
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA.

ExpressJet operated both of those nonstop just 3 or 4 years ago. ExpressJet increased frequency on FAT-SAN from 2X daily to 3X during the year it operated the flights.

Also Allegiant attempted SAN-MRY but the flights ended in 2010.

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting united319 (Reply 28):
Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?

Good question. I assume T1W (with mainline) but I do not know for sure.

Speaking of what terminal the new flights will use, I discovered something interesting when I finally completed a June 5 turn-schedule for SAN-AS earlier today. There will actually be some connections possible thru SAN with these new QX flights. For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour layovers at Lindbergh; the returns from Mexico to MRY work nicely but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long. SAN's arrivals from the Islands are too late to connect to anything.

I'm sure these connecting opportunities were not a big priority, probably not even planned, but who knows what might happen in the future...

The final flight count for San Diego (if the schedules remain as seen today for June 5) will be right around 18 daily departures to 9 different destinations, including 2 in Mexico! That (for me anyway) makes Alaska one of the major players in SAN now; and who knows what things may look like in a year...

  

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting united319 (Reply 28):
Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?

I was wondering the same thing. To me, I'm thinking it would be the Commuter Terminal, because the destinations
FAT,MRY,and STS are QX destiantions,and can operate separately from AS mainline from another terminal. But,
that's just my opinion, the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:23 pm

It looks like AS/QX is going after traffic and markets that used to be the domain of Skywest's E120s which they marketed under UA. With Skywest wanting to purge the E120s, it makes sense that QX can come in as there is a market for all these flights in California as they have been served on and off for decades.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
Good question. I assume T1W (with mainline) but I do not know for sure.

Speaking of what terminal the new flights will use, I discovered something interesting when I finally completed a June 5 turn-schedule for SAN-AS earlier today. There will actually be some connections possible thru SAN with these new QX flights. For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour

Hey "B", you posted right after I did. I didn't think about the connecting possibilities. That would make it
pretty interesting if that is the intention of AS. If AS wants to use SAN to connect with the QX flights, all
they'd have to do is tweak the flight times to and from the islands.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
They've really beefed up SJC: SEA, PDX, PSP, RNO, SJD, HNL, KOA, LIH, OGG, BOI, MMH, SMF, LAX (granted some are seasonal)

SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

It would be nice to see some more AS mainline additions (SAN, SNA, etc). But we have a great amount of long haul with all the Hawaii Flights so no complaints here.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long.

FAT has Aeromexico and Volaris going nonstop to Mexico, so I doubt AS would market Mexico from FAT with a
connection in SAN, hence the four hour layover.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:47 pm

When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

I hope this is another AS-attempt at intra-CA service, especially in secondary markets.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour layovers at Lindbergh; the returns from Mexico to MRY work nicely but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long. SAN's arrivals from the Islands are too late to connect to anything.

I'm sure these connecting opportunities were not a big priority, probably not even planned, but who knows what might happen in the future...

The FAT schedule seems to be driven as much by aircraft as anything. Looks like the schedule is set up for FAT-SAN-FAT then the aircraft operates FAT-PDX etc depending upon equipment rotation.

But the flights do offer another opportunity for FAT connections. I know of people who have flown AS flights from FAT to Hawaii by way of SEA already (fares played a part in the routing choice). FAT-SAN (combined with conx elsewhere) adds another way to route.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 35):
SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

BOI-SJC just once a day...and will operate BOI-SJC-LAX and v.v.

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 37):
When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

According to the latest program updates (see link below) early April 2012. LAWA is hoping to use the time after the move to reconstruct parts of the D-10 taxiway between T-3 and TBIT as there will be less traffic.

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA..._LAXDev/PSR%20(2011-11)(Final).pdf
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT, SAN-STS

Fantastic News for people here at SAN. AS must be making SAN a focus city because every time I turn my head around, their opening a new route!
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 35):
SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

It would be nice to see some more AS mainline additions (SAN, SNA, etc). But we have a great amount of long haul with all the Hawaii Flights so no complaints here.

I don't think QX was doing SJC-SMF to carry traffic in that market. I assume it was just to serve SMF-BOI by adding the triangle with SJC. It's about the same driving distance as SEA-BLI, which also carries almost no local traffic AFAIK.

I too would like to see SJC-SAN and SJC-SNA but would expect they'd be operated by QX Q400s, not AS mainline. I wouldn't expect either of them to be out of the realm of possibility either, although QX apparently was granted SNA slots during the last round and declined them.

Having family in both SJC and near SNA, they often go back and forth SJC-SNA. Now there's no competition on the route at all. AA/AE dropped SJC-SNA and B6 dropped SJC-LGB. I think that route carries a lot of high-tech and business traffic too.

My belief is that SJC-SNA could support another carrier in competition with WN and QX could make it work.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
I'm thinking it would be the Commuter Terminal, because the destinations
FAT,MRY,and STS are QX destiantions,and can operate separately from AS mainline from another terminal. But,
that's just my opinion, the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1

Hi L. Exciting, isn't it?

AFAIK, the CT is still supposed to be mainly for flights to LAX. Ux does run the MMH flight out of the CT, and a COEXP flight from SFO to SAN (?) shows arriving there as well, but all the Dx flights to/from SLC, and all the other Ux flights (to DEN and SFO) use the main terminals. I think the idea is for the pax to understand things more easily: flying to LAX, depart from the CT; otherwise, it's the main terminals. (In fact, ALL flights to LAX do leave from the CT so I think MMH is really the only exception.)

Even though the QX flights will be turboprops, I still expect they will be kept close to Chester's ballpark. In fact, I've always imagined that the apron including the former gate 19 and over toward gate 18 would make a very nice Horizon gate area. I'd have to study the aerial shots but I can see 2 or even 3 Q's parked there with pax entering the terminal via stairs to the second level from the tarmac. (Or maybe there's even room on the first floor of the west rotunda for a downstairs hold room for QX.)

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 36):
FAT has Aeromexico and Volaris going nonstop to Mexico, so I doubt AS would market Mexico from FAT with a connection in SAN, hence the four hour layover

But those flights from FAT are all to GDL. AM does then connect to PVR while Y4 doesn't. And there's no service from GDL to SJD. So yeah, I'm certainly not seeing SAN becoming a major gateway/hub for AS to Hawaii or Mexico but there might be a select few opportunities for folks to avoid LA or SF connections by flying through SAN.

In fact, I just looked at the AS booking engine and all those connections I mentioned in the earlier post are there! Very interesting. So the connecting opportunities may not have been intentional, but AS is selling them...

This just keeps on getting more and more interesting.

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):
Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

Looking forward to it - I might suggest PHL, PIT, BWI, or IND as options   but I'm not that picky - love to see new AS service, whether or not it is ex-SEA.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):
But I am curious; QX is going to be starting quite a few new flights in early June. The xl-ing of STS-LAS is mentioned as a source for the new lift, but where are the rest of the new routes coming from? Seasonal adjustments, other cancellations, or is QX finding a couple more frames somewhere? (I haven't had the time yet to create turn sked's for the new service but my assumption is that more than 1 a/c will be needed for these new routes/flights. I could be very wrong about that... Anyone?)

Apparently it is coming from increased utilization of existing frames thanks to better reliability - see below:

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
“This is exciting news for Horizon, and yet more proof that our business transformation is paying off,” Horizon President Glenn Johnson said. “What makes this additional service possible is the increased Q400 reliability we’ve worked so hard to achieve.”
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:49 pm

Just came here to post about my home airport. Talked with airport officials, and it is 100% confirmed that they will start the new MRY-SAN, SAN-MRY service starting June 4th. Wedgetail737, you can just accept it now  . Also, they are thinking that a MRY-SEA/PDX would fit quite well into their plans of expansion, however for the time being, Alaska does not agree.

MRY wont stop trying for new routes, and I wont stop trying to help them. It's quite possible for 737's to finally grace MRY with their presence again, daily. We already get Sun Country every month as troop transports  .

Very glad this day has finally come! A nice birthday gift today, if you ask me!

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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
This just keeps on getting more and more interesting.

bb

It sure is!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
AFAIK, the CT is still supposed to be mainly for flights to LAX

Before posting the 2nd time, I was thinking they would use the CT like ExpressJet did, however, It does makes
more sense to operate the QX flights right next to AS mainline in T-1W to better facilitate the connection opportunities between QX and AS.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 41):
AS must be making SAN a focus city

I suppose if the QX flights do well, that could be the direction AS could may be headed.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
I've always imagined that the apron including the former gate 19 and over toward gate 18 would make a very nice Horizon gate area. I'd have to study the aerial shots but I can see 2 or even 3 Q's parked there with pax entering the terminal via stairs to the second level from the tarmac. (Or maybe there's even room on the first floor of the west rotunda for a downstairs hold room for QX.)

If AS/QX adds more flights to SAN, I suppose it would kill my theory of AS moving to T-2 after the T-2W expansion's complete. AS just might take over the entire T-1W rotunda after UA moves, while WN has T-1E. Either way, It's still
interesting! While still on topic, I still would love to see QX give CLD a try.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
I don't think QX was doing SJC-SMF to carry traffic in that market.

That route took on connection traffic, especially from LAX (believe it or not). I've flown the route a couple of times. There is some local traffic on the route...probably more than SEA-BLI. Back in the day, WestAir used to fly multiple flights between the two points.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
My belief is that SJC-SNA could support another carrier in competition with WN and QX could make it work.

Ironically, SNA is in a better position to handle commuters like the Q400.

Quoting venom831 (Reply 45):
Just came here to post about my home airport. Talked with airport officials, and it is 100% confirmed that they will start the new MRY-SAN, SAN-MRY service starting June 4th. Wedgetail737, you can just accept it now . Also, they are thinking that a MRY-SEA/PDX would fit quite well into their plans of expansion, however for the time being Alaska does not agree.

I hope the MRY service occurs more than just seasonal.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 37):
When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

Yes they can expand, however AS/QX has shrunk by some 20-25% in enplaments at LAX in last few years.

I'm not sure where LAX sits in the broader network picture now that Mexico is down greatly, and much of the LAX Q400 flying has been trimmed. LA basin focus has been much more on simply connecting it to the carriers PNW base than anything else recently.
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RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 27):
It's interesting to note that when XE was providing n/s service in the market, there were nice healthy numbers reported in the DOT quarterly reports; as soon as the service ended, the numbers fell dramatically as people jumped on hwy 99/I-5, or a bus (or train?), and some even "leaked" through LAX.

You must also look at what XE had to do to fill their planes though too. Not only were the tickets dirt cheap but they spent a huge amount of cash on marketing per passenger to fill the seats. XE also had a very different business case when they were flying these routes, QX and everyone else needs to see a profit, XE didn't have that same motivation they just needed a place to stick the planes where they wouldn't loose too much money while they fought it out with CO.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
Someone at AS really is really hot with the new routes regionally and across the country. SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA

Need to check your history on that!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1.

My only experience with the Commuter Terminal was when XE was flying out of there and when they had flights moving that place was completely packed! It was not even close to big enough to handle the flights that were going out, people were stuffed everywhere!
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