stylo777
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LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:59 pm

Does anybody know why

D-AIRC
D-AIRO
D-AIRP

are all stored in Berlin-Schoenefeld???

Also, both D-AIRM and D-AIRR seem to be out-of-service.

Is it heavy check time for the A321 fleet???
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Thread starter):
D-AIRR

DLH9921 - Jan 4, 2012 - ferried to Berlin

Quoting stylo777 (Thread starter):
D-AIRM

DLH9928 - Dec 6, 2011 - ferried to Malta (LH Technik, maintenance presumably)
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:15 pm

Are they A321-100 with lots of cycles? How long are the A321-100 expected to stay in the fleet?
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Are they A321-100 with lots of cycles?

I don't know about the cycles, but all aircraft registered D-AIRx are -100s.

RC was delivered in 1994, RP in 1995 and RO in 1996.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:53 pm

I am suprised, as LH seems to have high load factors in its planes, wouldnt parking up A319s make more sense?

Their A321 can go pretty everywhere A319 goes, and a trip cost on A321 would not be too much higher than an A319, same crew caqn fly them, so I am just lost.

My recent flights on A321 was with Swiss and the manage to make it quite full on their flight between BCN and ZRH.

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stylo777
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
Their A321 can go pretty everywhere A319 goes, and a trip cost on A321 would not be too much higher than an A319, same crew caqn fly them, so I am just lost.

on legs up to ~2h you are right; however, the -100 series have a significant lower MTOW than the -200 resulting in payload restrictions on longer legs

also, the ex LH-Italia A319s are all still parked. a lot of planes around in my oppinion...
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:06 pm

LH has had a lot of deliveries of newly-built Airbus aircraft recently, and with the current economic situation in Europe, they may be finding too much capacity on their hands. It makes sense to park some of the older aircraft and delay upcoming maintenance. The older aircraft are probably fully written off already, whereas the newer aircraft will have finance costs to earn back!
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 5):
also, the ex LH-Italia A319s are all still parked. a lot of planes around in my oppinion...

SN wants to get rid of their 737s, so does OS. Why not moving the A319s to those LH subsidiaries??
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting fd728 (Reply 7):

SN wants to get rid of their 737s, so does OS. Why not moving the A319s to those LH subsidiaries??

Who knows how the summer will look? LH might need those birds again soon, and parking them for a little while may work out cheaper than re-painting them.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
Their A321 can go pretty everywhere A319 goes, and a trip cost on A321 would not be too much higher than an A319, same crew caqn fly them, so I am just lost.

Not really. A321-crew is at least one more than a A319-crew.
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting MUCramp (Reply 9):
Not really. A321-crew is at least one more than a A319-crew.

In the cabin. In the cockpit, there is no difference between an A319 and an A321 in terms of crew. I think that's what he meant.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:13 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 10):
In the cabin. In the cockpit, there is no difference between an A319 and an A321 in terms of crew. I think that's what he meant.

Yeah thanks, this is what I meant - even the number of cabin crew is different, the same crew are certified for both A319 or A321.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
I am suprised, as LH seems to have high load factors in its planes, wouldnt parking up A319s make more sense?

If fares are low enough, you can achieve high load factors regardless of the size of the aircraft. Load factors and profitability are rarely closely related. You want profitable load factors which often means charging higher fares on smaller aircraft. And with the economic crisis in much of Europe with growing unemployment, many people have higher priorities than travel this winter. Many airlines are cutting capacity as a result.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
Their A321 can go pretty everywhere A319 goes, and a trip cost on A321 would not be too much higher than an A319, same crew can fly them, so I am just lost.

But if you can't fill the A321 at profitable fares, it also means higher landing fees on every flight, making the flight even less profitable. LH A321s must also require one more flight attendant than the A319 (200 seats vs. 138, and one flight attendant per 50 passengers).
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:09 am

I am pretty sure it is maintenance. LH Technik has a subsidary there. Same in Malta. AC are normally "parked" in HAM or MUC when not undergoing maintenance.

Also with the 320-100 vs. -200. The operationally more significant sifference is the MLW, which differs by only 1000 kg. Does not cause that much of a headache.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting flyinTLow (Reply 13):
Also with the 320-100 vs. -200. The operationally more significant sifference is the MLW, which differs by only 1000 kg. Does not cause that much of a headache.

Lufthansa A321s have different max.weights. You are right when referring to the MLAW; however, there is a 6.000kg difference with the MTOW which might lead to take-off restrictions on longer sectors with full flights.

A321-100 (D-AIR...)

MTOW 83.000
MLAW 74.500
MZFW 70.500

A321-200 (D-AIS...)

MTOW 89.000
MLAW 75.500
MZFW 71.500

A321-200 (D-AID...)

MTOW 85.000
MLAW 75.500
MZFW 71.500
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:33 am

That is absolutly correct. And that is what I

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 14):
Lufthansa A321s have different max.weights. You are right when referring to the MLAW; however, there is a 6.000kg difference with the MTOW which might lead to take-off restrictions on longer sectors with full flights.

And that is exactly what I said. For LH operationally it does not make a big difference, as only very few sectors are long enough to make them MTOW limited. Almost all flights are MLW limited.
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:59 am

Quoting fd728 (Reply 7):
SN wants to get rid of their 737s, so does OS. Why not moving the A319s to those LH subsidiaries??

Presently obviously 7 A320 are slated to move to OS; finally they got clearance to sell off the 737-Fleet (2 x 600, 2 x 700, 7 x 800) and will replace them with these A320s. I am pretty sure, these will be drawn from the available pool.
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting propellix (Reply 16):
Presently obviously 7 A320 are slated to move to OS; finally they got clearance to sell off the 737-Fleet (2 x 600, 2 x 700, 7 x 800) and will replace them with these A320s. I am pretty sure, these will be drawn from the available pool.

makes sense!
 
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RE: LH Stored Three A321 In SXF

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:08 pm

They are in for D-Checks for your info
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