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AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:32 pm

American, perhaps in an effort to retain the business of travelers spooked by their recent bankruptcy filing or maybe just because they were feeling benevolent when they woke up this morning, says they will return to the good ol’ days of in-flight inebriation beginning February 1st. That’s right: All American flights to Europe, Asia, and southern South America (Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Uruguay) will offer free wine, liquor and beer.

http://nycaviation.com/2012/01/free-...an-airlines-international-flights/

While Free Alcohol won't make or break my decision on who to fly, it is good to see something being added back instead of cutting on board service wise with American during their BK proceedings.

Alex

[Edited 2012-01-18 12:42:50]

[Edited 2012-01-18 12:43:08]
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RE: AA To Bring Back Free Alcohol To Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
While Free Alcohol won't make or break my decision on who to fly, it is good to see something being added back instead of cutting on board service wise with American during their BK proceedings.

I don't know. it shows goodwill which so many airlines have completely forgotten about. With so much frustration over poor service I just may use AA on my next TATL flight. Ok when I move to RDU I probably will use AA anyway but even if my next TATL flight originates in IND I may give AA a try. I believe in rewarding the airline that goes out of its way to provide better service. The free alcohol is a small step but it is a step in the right direction.
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RE: AA To Bring Back Free Alcohol To Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:39 pm

Sweet!!!

Nice to see a positive step.

Now if only we could see something with those 763's on the 9+ hour flights.   
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RE: AA To Bring Back Free Alcohol To Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:39 pm

misleading article...Their company webpage mentioned it was only for beers and wines... no where it mentioned liquors, too.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/intl_bee...cation=DirectURL&title=beerandwine
 
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RE: AA To Bring Back Free Alcohol To Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 3):
misleading article...Their company webpage mentioned it was only for beers and wines... no where it mentioned liquors, too.

Thanks for the Correction, seems Liquor is not included then.

Edited the topic title for clarification.

Alex

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RE: AA To Bring Back Free Alcohol To Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:42 pm

Doesn't DL do this for international flights?
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 3):
misleading article...Their company webpage mentioned it was only for beers and wines... no where it mentioned liquors, too.

That is ok. I learned the hard way that liquors are bad in flight.  
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:44 pm

I see bankruptcy is having more positives that we could have possibly imagined.....  
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:51 pm

Since I'm flying DFW-MAD on Feb 2 in their otherwise terrible Y product, this is excellent news!
 
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 8):
Since I'm flying DFW-MAD on Feb 2 in their otherwise terrible Y product,

Maybe it's me, but I don't find Y on AA 767s to really be that bad. It certainly doesn't knock your sock off, but I don't find it terrible. It's a lot better than being crammed into a QF 744 with it's tight seat pitch for 14 hours. Gosh, that was awful.

The free beer and wine will be a welcome return. I take it that it doesn't apply to places like UIO or LPB.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Maybe it's me, but I don't find Y on AA 767s to really be that bad. It certainly doesn't knock your sock off, but I don't find it terrible. It's a lot better than being crammed into a QF 744 with it's tight seat pitch for 14 hours.

Or a UA744 on ORD-NRT.... or the 'beautiful' ex-Air One AZ 330 I flew to Italy in last summer...

At least the AA 763s are clean and well kept. Can't say the same about that 330...
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Nice to see a positive step.
Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 7):
I see bankruptcy is having more positives that we could have possibly imagined.....

Not sure if its a good thing for them to do in Chpt.11, the rules have changed and they essentially have to sink or swim with the cash on hand that they entered with and whatever is made by operations, let's hope that the incremental income derived is greater than the cost and it not just being lookded at as a promotional item of things to come.

One benefit of Chpt.11 is that most clients remain as the danger of shutting down is not imminent which usually results in the majority of clients looking for other carriers.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 10):
At least the AA 763s are clean and well kept. Can't say the same about that 330...

Thats right! I just finished a trip to Europe with AA (ORD-CDG/FRA-DFW) both on the 763. I was very impressed with the cleanliness of both aircraft, except on the FRA-DFW leg they had just sprayed the tray table and not wiped it (on the quick FRA turns they probably ran out of time). Regardless, AA has done a fantastic job with their fleet of 767s and I didn't think it was bad at all in Y, even if I was in the bulkhead!  
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:14 pm

But will this really make the average pax choose AA over another carrier, especially if AA doesnt come first in Orbitz/Expedia/kayak and the likes? People are still looking for the cheapest ticket, not if they get free beer or not.

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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Doesn't DL do this for international flights?

Yes, DL offers free beer and wine in Y for all international flights; UA offers free alcoholic beverages on Transpac/Asia, but still charges for alcohol on transatlantic and South America....
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:16 pm

The good thing I see behind this is that it gets their service levels a little closer to their other Oneworld alliance partners. If they want marketing to make flying on one is equivalent to the other, homogenizing service is a good thing.
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Doesn't DL do this for international flights?

Yes, on international flights of six hours or longer.

US and CO charge for booze networkwide, UA charges for booze across the Atlantic or to Latin America, but not across the Pacific.
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:24 pm

In line with its JBA partner BA who don't charge for booze, sounds good  
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:33 pm

Excellent news for once, and with the partnership with BA, it seems sensible to start harmonising services a bit.

Either that or DL has taken them over already   
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:39 pm

I know this is about AA.... but I think that they should start looking how other companies run their service..

Here, i.e., you have Economy class of Air Dolomity..


 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:45 pm

Something the airline should have never taken away - free booze. It's a no cost issue so it's hard to figure out why some middle manager guru pulled free booze on internationals whenever they did. Flight attendants still give away and 'spill' more drinks then they'd give away in coach so I'm lost. If AA wants to put the booze blinders on the coach crowd so be it. Good luck to those granny flight attendants dealing with drunk college kids and entitled flyers.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting 744lover (Reply 19):
Here, i.e., you have Economy class of Air Dolomity..

That is a very sexy pic. Served in a real glass too or is that plastic but just looks glass?
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Now if only we could see something with those 763's on the 9+ hour flights.

Yes, PTV's would be welcome...

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Maybe it's me, but I don't find Y on AA 767s to really be that bad. It certainly doesn't knock your sock off, but I don't find it terrible.

Are you serious? I don't mind the 763, but no PTVs in a 10 hr flight (i.e DFW-SCL) is pretty bad. Also, if AA can up their game on their catering, meals in coach are not edible. I used to fly them but I got sick of this. I find AC to be a better deal. I live in IAD so I don't mind the conexion at YYZ. Sorry AA...a bit too late.
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:46 pm

I think it's a good step. AA has only been in bankruptcy less than two months, at least they're starting to make positive strides. When DL and UA went into chapter 11 they were in pretty bad shape, and they're doing leaps and bounds better now, especially Delta. I hope things continually improve and they can introduce more nice amenities over time.
 
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 16):
Yes, on international flights of six hours or longer.

did this changed? If I am not wrong ATL-CCS is shorter than 6 hours and I had my free Heineken 2.5 years ago on that route!
And yes very good decicion made by AA, who does not whant a nice Beer or Wine with the lunch / dinner...

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Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
The free beer and wine will be a welcome return. I take it that it doesn't apply to places like UIO or LPB.

VVI??  
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 16):
US and CO charge for booze networkwide, UA charges for booze across the Atlantic or to Latin America, but not across the Pacific.

UM, I guess CO now would be inline with UA?
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):

Knowing AA I'll bet a small fortune that it is 1 comp beer OR wine; so it should not cause too much rambunctiousness. As for the granny flight attendants dealing with the half-witted spring breakers or entitled fliers I *know* they can fend for themselves. Remember just because there's snow on the roof....    On a more serious note, I am pleased that they have aligned the product more w/ BA in the regard of gratis hooch in the clubs and now in the air.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 22):
Also, if AA can up their game on their catering, meals in coach are not edible.

I know it's only one experience, but I flew MAD-DFW a couple months ago and found the food in Y to be not only edible, but actually pretty good. And that was after flying DFW-MAD a few days prior in J...
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
That is a very sexy pic. Served in a real glass too or is that plastic but just looks glass?

That's a real glass from a previous wine I had for lunch.


Actually this is something that concerns me: what is the rock bottom line for service quality? I mean: remove IFE, free water, free sodas, free checked baggage (I think this is already gone) so that they could save some pennies....


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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 4):
Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 3):
misleading article...Their company webpage mentioned it was only for beers and wines... no where it mentioned liquors, too.

Thanks for the Correction, seems Liquor is not included then.
Quoting panamair (Reply 14):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
Doesn't DL do this for international flights?

Yes, DL offers free beer and wine in Y for all international flights; UA offers free alcoholic beverages on Transpac/Asia, but still charges for alcohol on transatlantic and South America....

So all U.S. carriers are still behind virtually all their foreign competitors, especially to Europe. I can't think of any non-U.S.carriers that charge for any alcoholic drinks on transatlantic flights (and elsewhere) (except Champagne, and even that's free on AF).
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
So all U.S. carriers are still behind virtually all their foreign competitors, especially to Europe. I can't think of any non-U.S.carriers that charge for any alcoholic drinks on transatlantic flights (and elsewhere) (except Champagne, and even that's free on AF).

Well true on the first part... I think most of us agree that we perfer BA to AA, LH to UA or KL to DL in general. But let's not forget that AF crams you 10-abreast on the 777 and then transports you to connect in the worst major hub anywhere in the world. I'll take my UA or AA 763 any day over that experience, free champagne or not. And let's not even bring up AZ, O-K?
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
. I can't think of any non-U.S.carriers that charge for any alcoholic drinks on transatlantic flights (and elsewhere) (except Champagne, and even that's free on AF).

LO. They charge for alcoholic beverages in Y.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 23):
I think it's a good step. AA has only been in bankruptcy less than two months, at least they're starting to make positive strides.

Actually, this has nothing necessarily to do with bankruptcy. Since the JBA began, BA has pressured AA to bring their cabin products closer to BA standards, and AA had been debating internally about offering free liquor in Y on long-haul international flights. It looks like the decision is now final.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:03 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 31):
They charge for alcoholic beverages in Y.

Not when I flew AF SEA-CDG-JNB a few years ago they didn't. All was free and excellent service.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 31):
They charge for alcoholic beverages in Y.

Not when I flew AF SEA-CDG-JNB a few years ago they didn't. All was free and excellent service.

WildcatYXU was referring to LO (LOT Polish Airlines) not AF.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
WildcatYXU was referring to LO (LOT Polish Airlines) not AF.

Right. AF has the horrid 10-across 777s, LO charges for alcohol, LH lacks PTVs in the 747s... European carriers on the whole aren't exactly leaps and bounds above American ones, though there are some excellent ones.

Anyways, I'm glad AA took this step...brings them in line with their partner BA and one of their main competitors DL. If UA wants to be the premier American carrier they need to do this as well.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:58 am

Interesting....I'm a loyal OW Alliance flyer and fly multiple RTW itineries each year in economy. Previously I have avoided AA anytime another option was available (usually CX + BA) and have even on occassion elected to transit in between two points rather than take the AA direct flight option! This might just change things on occassion though. And as I'll be living in Shanghai starting in Feb. (from NIngbo) and need to make frequent trips to the midwest, I may use AA instead of KA/CX via HKG in future.

I noticed AA offer a basic wine and beer offering free of charge in their louges nowadays (or at least DFW?) and when I inquired about that, the bartender explained it was well beer/wine and not the stuff they'd serve if you were paying or had a coupon. Still, better than nothing!
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Maybe it's me, but I don't find Y on AA 767s to really be that bad. It certainly doesn't knock your sock off, but I don't find it terrible. It's a lot better than being crammed into a QF 744 with it's tight seat pitch for 14 hours. Gosh, that was awful.

According to seatguru.com all QF 744 variants have 31in pitch Y seating, while AA 763s have 30in pitch Y seating. I suspect you would not have enjoyed spending 14 hours in the AA 763, had it been capable of flying that long.  
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:51 am

Woo hoo - good to hear about this - something to liven up those miserably boring long flights!

Of course, now I hope UA also decides that this is a no-brainer and implements a similar policy.

From what I know - the actual cost of the booze bought in whole sale is negligible - perhaps $1 or so for that glass of wine that's served (just the raw material cost, not the other miscellaneous costs), and if that results in even 1 additional pax switching to AA per flight - it's good for AA. And with the regular spirits, it should be a couple of cents for the splash that's thrown into the glass and hidden under all that ice, lemon, mixer etc.  
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:03 am

I think it's a stupid Idea from a FA's perspective . When we began charging for booze is regulated from having people getting waisted onboard. Now with the free for all we might see issues arising. I also do not think AA is in the position revenue generating wise to do this. Just sayin.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:48 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
So all U.S. carriers are still behind virtually all their foreign competitors, especially to Europe. I can't think of any non-U.S.carriers that charge for any alcoholic drinks on transatlantic flights (and elsewhere) (except Champagne, and even that's free on AF).

In addition to LOT, AB and DE charge for alcoholic beverages on their flights to the US. AB does include one free alcoholic drink with your meal though.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 39):


I think it's a stupid Idea from a FA's perspective . When we began charging for booze is regulated from having people getting waisted onboard. Now with the free for all we might see issues arising.

Oh yes, punish the 99% for the malicious act of the 1%.
I have heard about people damaging their IFE-remote control or screen too……….let´s take away all the IFE then!!

The hardcore alcoholic can pay his / her own booze anyway; be it on board or in Duty Free shopping.

For me, assuming that the prize & traveling time works out the same; AA would now be higher on my list because I enjoy a beer, or 2, or 3 on an international flight! Helps me go to sleep too!
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 35):
Right. AF has the horrid 10-across 777s, LO charges for alcohol, LH lacks PTVs in the 747s...

It goes further. LO and OS are both on the "no PTV in Y" list and OS has 10 across 777s as well. At least they don't fly the 777s here.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 41):
Oh yes, punish the 99% for the malicious act of the 1%.
I have heard about people damaging their IFE-remote control or screen too……….let´s take away all the IFE then!!

The hardcore alcoholic can pay his / her own booze anyway; be it on board or in Duty Free shopping.

For me, assuming that the prize & traveling time works out the same; AA would now be higher on my list because I enjoy a beer, or 2, or 3 on an international flight! Helps me go to sleep too!
And no, I´ve never started a brawl just yet!

With all due respect, Sir, I have seen with my own eyes during my 26 years in the sky how much more people will drink in Y when booze is free. It often becomes a huge management problem for crews. People will really take advantage of the situation, get wasted, and then we have to cut them off. An argument usually ensues, and the energy and mood in the cabin gets dark. Other passengers who are not wasted don't like it either. A Purser gets involved. Paperwork needs to be filled out Police meet the flight. It can get really ugly. It is much less likely to happen when people are forking over $7 per drink.

This sort of thing has happened to me on flights in and out of the UK more than anywhere else, by the way.

I think the policy should be one -- perhaps two -- free wine or beer before or with the meal -- I believe this is what DL does.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 43):
With all due respect, Sir, I have seen with my own eyes during my 26 years in the sky how much more people will drink in Y when booze is free. It often becomes a huge management problem for crews. People will really take advantage of the situation, get wasted, and then we have to cut them off. An argument usually ensues, and the energy and mood in the cabin gets dark. Other passengers who are not wasted don't like it either. A Purser gets involved. Paperwork needs to be filled out Police meet the flight. It can get really ugly. It is much less likely to happen when people are forking over $7 per drink.

Fair enough. I have seen some sad stuff too.

My 99% - 1% percentage may not be entirely correct, but the HUGE majority of people I witnessed did NOT abuse it.
They enjoy it, listen to their music, chat away or fall asleep........the HUGE majority, that is!
And I fly more than the average Joe, just like you (I guess).

I applaud AA for this! As a pax that is, I can see flight attendants not being to happy about it.
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 44):
My 99% - 1% percentage may not be entirely correct, but the HUGE majority of people I witnessed did NOT abuse it.
They enjoy it, listen to their music, chat away or fall asleep........the HUGE majority, that is!
And I fly more than the average Joe, just like you (I guess).

I applaud AA for this! As a pax that is, I can see flight attendants not being to happy about it.
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Honestly, it's not about the work. I'm there to serve people in any cabin, and I would like them to feel comfortable. A beverage is a beverage. And booze is free in F and C classes. But in those cabins, we rarely see it abused, because it's a different type of passenger -- one who is working rather than vacationing, and usually needs to remain relatively clear. As a matter of fact, in F class to LHR for example, often I will have a full cabin of 16 pax and only a few will drink alcohol. C class is a little different -- much more wine drinking there, but rarely do we see passengers becoming totally inebriated.

The problems usually always happen in Y class, and historically when there has been free alcohol. Usually vacationers wanting to have too good a time and getting a little lost along the way.
 
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:18 pm

UA and US are now the only ones charging for beer/wine on flights to Europe, India and S. South America. With UA's partners LH and others still providing free alcohol, I dont know how long can UA and US continue this. Hope they too adopt AA and DL.
 
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 11):
Not sure if its a good thing for them to do in Chpt.11, the rules have changed and they essentially have to sink or swim with the cash on hand that they entered with and whatever is made by operations, let's hope that the incremental income derived is greater than the cost and it not just being lookded at as a promotional item of things to come.

One benefit of Chpt.11 is that most clients remain as the danger of shutting down is not imminent which usually results in the majority of clients looking for other carriers.

Unless I'm mistaken, DL re-introduced free beer and wine when they emerged from Ch. 11. So AA may be following in their footsteps.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 22):
Are you serious? I don't mind the 763, but no PTVs in a 10 hr flight (i.e DFW-SCL) is pretty bad. Also, if AA can up their game on their catering, meals in coach are not edible. I used to fly them but I got sick of this. I find AC to be a better deal. I live in IAD so I don't mind the conexion at YYZ. Sorry AA...a bit too late.

I just flew DTWGRU on Sunday on DL in Y. 76T, no PTVs. Truthfully, I was dreading this journey because I also depend on a PTV for a 10-hr flight. And frankly, it turned out to be just fine.

The IFE left much to be desired, but a 2-3-2 seating configuration is actually quite comfy. Plus, having the option to sleep makes it more bearable.

It was far worse for me when I flew on a LH 744 in Y on a 3-4-3 config for a 6.5 hr flight FRADEL.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 38):
Of course, now I hope UA also decides that this is a no-brainer and implements a similar policy.

Agreed! I think UA will follow suit very soon.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 38):
From what I know - the actual cost of the booze bought in whole sale is negligible - perhaps $1 or so for that glass of wine that's served (just the raw material cost, not the other miscellaneous costs), and if that results in even 1 additional pax switching to AA per flight - it's good for AA. And with the regular spirits, it should be a couple of cents for the splash that's thrown into the glass and hidden under all that ice, lemon, mixer etc.

It really is. The wine DL served on my DTWGRU flight came from a box. Classy. Haha.

The first glass didn't taste all that great, but it greatly improved by the time I made it to #3...

Quoting etops1 (Reply 39):
I think it's a stupid Idea from a FA's perspective . When we began charging for booze is regulated from having people getting waisted onboard. Now with the free for all we might see issues arising. I also do not think AA is in the position revenue generating wise to do this. Just sayin
Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 41):
The hardcore alcoholic can pay his / her own booze anyway; be it on board or in Duty Free shopping.
Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 43):
With all due respect, Sir, I have seen with my own eyes during my 26 years in the sky how much more people will drink in Y when booze is free. It often becomes a huge management problem for crews. People will really take advantage of the situation, get wasted, and then we have to cut them off. An argument usually ensues, and the energy and mood in the cabin gets dark. Other passengers who are not wasted don't like it either. A Purser gets involved. Paperwork needs to be filled out Police meet the flight. It can get really ugly. It is much less likely to happen when people are forking over $7 per drink.

This sort of thing has happened to me on flights in and out of the UK more than anywhere else, by the way.

I think the policy should be one -- perhaps two -- free wine or beer before or with the meal -- I believe this is what DL does.

This is an interesting debate.

With regards to the Delta limitations, I think that it depends on the crew.

When I flew on Delta the other day, there was mostly a US-based/English-speaking crew but one of them was Brasilian.The Brasilian crew member was very professional, but also had a personal touch to him. He spoke in Portuguese to all of the passengers (mostly Brasilian descent) and got them to laugh, joke, sing, etc and took pictures. He seemed particularly attentive towards the drink requests. I noticed the two Brasilian passengers seated in front of me not only consumed a decent amount of the boxed wine, but also ran up a high tab in duty free sales!! Win win for Delta.

Regardless, the drinks cart seemed to pass through the cabin well into the first 4-5 hours of the flight.

The American passenger seated across from me had 4 heinekens. Nothing got really out of control. It actually felt like a party on board Delta.

But of course, there are exceptions. When I flew AF last summer, ORDCDG, the drinks only came around twice - once during the first drinks service, and once again during meal. Some people requested additional drinks afterwards, but most did not indulge.

Regardless, I don't think its fair to holistically categorize the idea as bad though just because occaisionally a passenger will get out of control. That's like saying restaurants shouldn't serve alcohol because every once in awhile you have a rowdy table who need to be told to keep it down, or a bar to not serve just because there is an occaisional fight or someone gets ill.

Either way, $%*t happens. I approve.
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 16):
UA charges for booze across the Atlantic or to Latin America

In Y, not in F or J.

[qote=hohd,reply=46]UA and US are now the only ones charging for beer/wine on flights to Europe, India and S. South America. With UA's partners LH and others still providing free alcohol, I dont know how long can UA and US continue this. Hope they too adopt AA and DL.[/quote]

I hope that we will see an end to that in the near future and UA do provide free alcohol although is it really that important to have free booze on a flight? Does it really make that much of a difference to everybody. I drink but when I fly and thats in F or J more often than not I avoid free booze and just keep hydrated with water and alike. I cannot see the big deal but that might just be me.
 
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RE: AA-Feb 1st: Free Beer/Wine On Most Intl Flights

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
So all U.S. carriers are still behind virtually all their foreign competitors, especially to Europe. I can't think of any non-U.S.carriers that charge for any alcoholic drinks on transatlantic flights (and elsewhere) (except Champagne, and even that's free on AF).

Icelandair charges as well.
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