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Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:04 am

I have been looking at pictures of ZK-OKQ in its All Blacks colour scheme which I think is really nice and it got me thinking why there haven't been more airlines with black colour schemes as they can be quite nice.

Is there a performance related issue with black paint - i.e. heat retention that is solved using lighter coloured paints etc etc? Or is it simply a marketing related choice?
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Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:23 am

New Zealand; black coloured coloured plane - of course it's marketing.
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:31 am

It is a heat issueI read somewhere the playboy dc-9 got very very hot on the ground and i mean from the sun not the bunnies
 
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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:31 am

Blacck paint = More Weight, More heat, difficult to detect surface defects.
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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:34 am

Ah ok so it is a heat issue as well as maintenance issue.

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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:57 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Blacck paint = More Weight, More heat, difficult to detect surface defects.

Not really no.
The black paint, is applied properly will weigh about the same as a normal white base coat.
Any difference in weight is so slight, it's not worth worrying about.

If you paint it white, then black, then the other colours, yes that will be heavier.
But if you subsitute the white base layer for black, there's no issue.

Black might show up dinks and dents more readily, but this is not much of a concern.

Modern AC systems on planes easily handle any excess heat a paint job might cause.
But with todays paint technologies, I very much down a black plane will be any hotter than a white one sitting beside it, when under ground or APU power.
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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:05 pm

Some good info in this thread too:

The Black Jet - ANZ 777 - Weight Penalty (by WarpSpeed Dec 19 2011 in Tech Ops)
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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 5):
Modern AC systems on planes easily handle any excess heat a paint job might cause.
But with todays paint technologies, I very much down a black plane will be any hotter than a white one sitting beside it, when under ground or APU power.

I does add up to a substantial weight if you extrapolate the cost over an entire fleet of aircraft and the distance it is flown. Also, the cost of cooling an aircraft for the comfort of the passengers and crew could add up over time. Yes, maybe one time would not be very expensive but in the long run, over a fleet of aircraft the colour black would add up to a considerable amount of money.
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RE: Black Vs. White Airplane Livery?

Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 5):
Modern AC systems on planes easily handle any excess heat a paint job might cause.
But with todays paint technologies, I very much down a black plane will be any hotter than a white one sitting beside it, when under ground or APU power.

The problem is not how hot the inside of the aircraft becomes. Rather, it's how hot the surface skin of the aircraft becomes that's an issue. In th summer, black paint, at an ambient tempurature of 100F, has a surface tempurature of over 200F! Without the proper protection, anyone who touches the plane can easily burn themselves.

This article talks about gliders, but it's still relevant:

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Construction/Color_Temp.html
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