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SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:52 pm

Bad weather in Seattle... an ice storm that followed close on the heels of a major snowstorm. The airport is completely closed at the moment due to ice on all three runways and I understand (I'm not there) that the city as a whole is largely impassable.

Good luck to everyone in my hometown!
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Thread starter):
I understand (I'm not there) that the city as a whole is largely impassable.

I have friends and family sending me incredible images of Cap Hill area and Redmond, and it's incredible the amount of snow that has been accumulating!
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:06 pm

Drove my girlfriend to SEA this morning for a 7AM departure (AS530, SEA-ONT). Definitely one of the most unpleasant driving experiences I've had in years--the freeways are barely passable and the highway into SEA is in terrible shape. Got her message that her flight had been canceled when I got to work back in the city two hours ago. Fortunately, she got a seat on the 2:30 departure and even scored an upgrade to first (thanks, AS!) Looks like departures/arrivals were stopped for two hours, but DL156 from NRT and KE243 from DFW both landed within the last half hour. No departures as of yet, but it sounds like they finished de-icing the runways, so we'll keep our fingers crossed...conditions are pretty nasty everywhere up here. Any word on SEA-bound diversions this morning?
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:10 pm

According to King5 News, all AS flights, including QX, are canceled until 10am PST out SEA.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:20 pm

AS 112 ANC-SEA diverted to PDX.
AS 108 ANC-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 878 OGG-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 128 FAI-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 860 HNL-SEA diverted to PDX
DL 226 HNL-SEA diverted to PDX
FX 1717 IND-SEA diverted to PDX
UA 1135 ANC-SEA diverted to YVR
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:29 pm

As of about an hour ago SEA had opened one of the three runways, but the taxiways were still being cleared so flight operations were still on hold. Passengers are being kept in the terminal buildings until the taxiway is ready and then boarding can commence.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:33 pm

It was very icy walking to work this AM with some light freezing rain. Downtown Seattle streets are bare in patches with some slushy snow, but they are driveable as long as you're not a idiot.

Looks like SEA is operating one runway, presumably 16R/34L, to allow for takeoffs and landings. I have to think AS is having some difficulty getting enough flight crews and ground staff at SEA given the state of the roads.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...flights_in_and_out_of_sea-tac.html
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 1):
Quoting seabosdca (Thread starter):
I understand (I'm not there) that the city as a whole is largely impassable.

I have friends and family sending me incredible images of Cap Hill area and Redmond, and it's incredible the amount of snow that has been accumulating!

Yes, correct. The bosses told us to work from home today, as many of us have done all week. My steep driveway pretty much looks impassable. Redmond is incredibly beautiful right now all covered in snow, but impossible to safely drive. The snow is really hard and crusty right now, not powdery any more.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:12 pm

My brother in law is out there now. His morning AA flight has been delayed for around 3 hours already. Since I've been working from home the weather hasn't really effected me, but they did say that this was the first ice storm warning they've issued for Puget Sound since 1996.
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 8):
My brother in law is out there now. His morning AA flight has been delayed for around 3 hours already.

AA 1980 to ORD by any chance? Looks like it was the first flight to get out this morning about twenty minutes ago. Latest word is that 34R/16L is up and running with the main taxiway mostly cleared. Should be an interesting few hours down there as some of the morning backlog clears out...I suspect most affected outbound AS flights have been canceled but it looks like some of the birds from other carriers (for whom SEA is an outstation) are waiting for a chance to get out of town...
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
Latest word is that 34R/16L is up and running with the main taxiway mostly cleared.

That is correct.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:21 pm

The airport's facebook page has some up to date information and photos:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Port-of-Seattle/99290881462

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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 6):
I have to think AS is having some difficulty getting enough flight crews and ground staff at SEA given the state of the roads.

Alaska had this problem a few years ago in another storm. So this time they bought up a lot of hotel rooms by the airport and had their flight crews and other staff stay the night by the airport.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
AA 1980 to ORD by any chance? Looks like it was the first flight to get out this morning about twenty minutes ago.

I think he was on AA 2224 to DFW scheduled for 6:00am. He may still be on the ground, but it looks more promising since two runways are now open at SEA.
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:06 pm

SEA now has a second runway open.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:27 pm

Power outages (ice storms are unforgiving) went from 50 .. 60 ... now 100,000, so postings from Seattle may taper off. SEA is making some noise at last after being dead quiet all morning, and two runways are open now. Arrivals are few and far between.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 15):
Power outages (ice storms are unforgiving) went from 50 .. 60 ... now 100,000, so postings from Seattle may taper off.

Latest reports are putting it at 180,000 homes without power. Still no idea if my brother in law made it out today.
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):

AS 112 ANC-SEA diverted to PDX.
AS 108 ANC-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 878 OGG-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 128 FAI-SEA diverted to PDX
AS 860 HNL-SEA diverted to PDX
DL 226 HNL-SEA diverted to PDX
FX 1717 IND-SEA diverted to PDX
UA 1135 ANC-SEA diverted to YVR

Interesting side question...ANC-SEA is a domestic flight, what happens when it diverts to Canada? And if the crew times out? Sorry if off topic, but it caught my eye.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 17):
Interesting side question...ANC-SEA is a domestic flight, what happens when it diverts to Canada? And if the crew times out? Sorry if off topic, but it caught my eye.

Assuming the flight can't immediately continue after a fuel stop etc. and passengers/crew have to enter Canada or spend the night etc., they clear customs/immigration like any other arriving passengers.

[Edited 2012-01-19 17:55:14]
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
passengers/crew have to enter Canada or spend the night etc., they clear customs/immigration like any other arriving passengers.

Forgive me for hijacking the thread. But how do they clear Customs/Immigration if they are not carrying any passport.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:36 am

Well, looks like my lady finally got out of town on AS 538 after a four plus hour delay. Sounds like a rough day down at SEA, I'm sure everyone working today will be glad to have this one over with.

Had this sent to me via text...looks more like ANC than SEA!

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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 12):
Alaska had this problem a few years ago in another storm. So this time they bought up a lot of hotel rooms by the airport and had their flight crews and other staff stay the night by the airport.


Yes, this storm has been a boon for hotels! Not many people senseless enough to visit Seattle in January so its welcomed occupancy in otherwise quiet hotels.

I live and work downtown so getting to work is just a matter of putting on some boots and an extra jacket. The need never occurred to me before but just like the airlines, mission-critical staff at my company were housed in downtown hotels near their respective buildings. I suppose IT help desk would be having a busy day while everyone tries to remote from home.   

Best luck and safety for everyone still trying to get home!
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:46 pm

Been watching the morning AS flight out of YYC this morning, showing an hour delay and growing, but hasn't been cancelled yet. Maybe there's still some hope that flight operations at SEA can resume this morning...
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:40 pm

The geography does not jump out, but British Columbia shares most of the Pacific Coast with southeast Alaska, also called the panhandle. Juneau, the state capital might be the most logical alternate landing spot Seattle/ Anchorage. As the crow flies the three big airports in the region, Seattle, Vancouver, Victoria practically run into each other, less than 200 miles apart.
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting frmrcapcadet (Reply 23):
Juneau, the state capital might be the most logical alternate landing spot Seattle/ Anchorage. As the crow flies the three big airports in the region, Seattle, Vancouver, Victoria practically run into each other, less than 200 miles apart.

While I'm not sure what the story is on immigration with a YVR diversion (YYJ is far enough south that it was probably socked in too yesterday), but the advantage I can see to landing there for a few hours rather than at JNU is that it's a much quicker hop down to SEA where AS has more staff on hand to help people out with missed connections and the like...besides, I doubt JNU has a lot of extra capacity/staff to handle more than a very few unexpected diversions.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:30 pm

I guess the brother-in-law got out at around 11am, 5 hours late yesterday. Got rebooked to take out a leg and made it to his final destination around the same time he would have on his normal itinerary.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 24):
I doubt JNU has a lot of extra capacity/staff to handle more than a very few unexpected diversions.

I wouldn't go that far. AS at JNU operates at least 10-12 flights a day. Without going too far into the schedules I'd bet it's fairly similar to YVR in staffing. I'd say the location had more to do with proximity to final destination and ease of busing/lodging passengers on those flights.

Anyway, now around a quarter million people in the Puget Sound are without power and it's really gross outside right now with the rain and slush.

As an aside, I remember having a DL flight canceled once out of Cinci and having to fly into Hartford when my final destination was ALB due to ice after waiting to get de-iced for 2 hours. I think the airlines here in SEA did a good job of managing expectations and operating when they could.
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 24):
I doubt JNU has a lot of extra capacity/staff to handle more than a very few unexpected diversions.

The OP noted that a UACO ANC-SEA flight diverted to YVR. UACO isn't going to go to JNU since there's no ground staff there. Plus the weather there can be much worse.

It looked like it was just a gas 'n go stop. If the crew was in danger of timing out, they probably would have gone to PDX. Either that or they would have just kept the passengers inside the US terminal at YVR. You can't leave the terminal once you're thru pre-clearance.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting PRflyer (Reply 19):
Forgive me for hijacking the thread. But how do they clear Customs/Immigration if they are not carrying any passport.

I'm guessing that since there are numerous flights travelling through Canada to and from Alaska (and alternately, Canadian domestic hops that pass over the United States, YYZ-YVR for example), there are going to be procedures already in place in case an aircraft has to divert for some reason. I would assume that the aircraft wouldn't pull up to a gate, but taxi to a remote stand. The airline would be in touch with Immigration, and customs agents would enter the aircraft and clear each passenger based on whatever ID they have on them. That's just a guess though; I'd love to hear how they do in fact deal with it.
 
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RE: SEA Closed For Ice

Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:39 am

Quoting cytz_pilot (Reply 27):
I'm guessing that since there are numerous flights travelling through Canada to and from Alaska (and alternately, Canadian domestic hops that pass over the United States, YYZ-YVR for example), there are going to be procedures already in place in case an aircraft has to divert for some reason. I would assume that the aircraft wouldn't pull up to a gate, but taxi to a remote stand. The airline would be in touch with Immigration, and customs agents would enter the aircraft and clear each passenger based on whatever ID they have on them. That's just a guess though; I'd love to hear how they do in fact deal with it.

Almost every country except the United States will grant emergency temporary visas to passengers that are stranded in a country due to situations out of their control. This is more common than you think with either diversions or more commonly with passengers missing their international connection.
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