realsim
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AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:41 pm

Hi all,

According to Spanish media, AA will replace IB in MIA-BCN:

- From APR04, 5 weekly flights operated by AA, instead of the current 3w IB's 340.
- From JUN14, 1 daily flight operated by AA.

All flights will be flown with the 763, as expected. Flights are not loaded yet, but as the article includes a confirmation from an IB manager, I assume we can trust the source.

Source (in Spanish): http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=1074925

[Edited 2012-01-20 08:51:47]
 
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RE: AA To Fly MIA-BCN Daily

Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:42 pm

Good stuff. A daily 763 seems like an excellent fit.
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:07 pm

Have been hearing this rumor for a while in the company. I also heard the 2nd JFK-BCN 4x week will not return.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:55 pm

Glad to see AA begin to rebuild its European network on its own metal. I can't wait to see what is in store for the 777s that were operating the BOM flight! I hope DFW-FRA goes back to a 777!
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 3):
I can't wait to see what is in store for the 777s that were operating the BOM flight!

It was DEL, but I know what you meant. I wonder if DFW-EZE will revert to a 777 also.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:31 pm

DFW-EZE is a marginal route for AA, mostly for connecting traffic to take the pressure off of MIA-EZE, which has more high-yielding local traffic. I'd be surprised if DFW-EZE were to go 772 again.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:39 am

This is great news! I was wondering where they were going to send the plane that operated the second MIA-LHR flight that BA is taking over in April. New long haul flights from Miami are always welcome.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:58 am

Funny. Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

AA 112 MIA 1805-0930+1 BCN 763 Daily
AA 113 BCN 1130-1545 MIA 763 Daily
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:13 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Funny. Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

When will these flights be bookable?

[Edited 2012-01-20 23:08:08]
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:15 pm

From the beginning, when this route was launched post ATI approval, it was clear that AA was the one who wanted to operate it, but IB had its way, and now, a year later, we see it reversed. This move proves that a smaller airplane and more frequencies would have been a better strategy, and certainly when operated out of a AA hub, and not IB from a non-hub.

Whether the services survives daily after the Summer, will have to be seen, though.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:37 pm

I personally preferred IB for this flight only for one reason: maybe this was just the beginning of IB coming back to BCN if the new fights had been a success, and we could have expected more destinations.

I understand that AA has a hub at MIA, but where are most passengers coming from? If it is BCN and Europe, then maybe it is not that important that the company with the hub operates it.

Anyway, good news, and it would be great that, post CH11, AA tried to open a few new routes to Europe. One to Italy and one to Germany and they would already have 6 European destinations from MIA.

Regarding BCN, can we expect new destinations from the USA with the JV? I think ORD would be the next logical choice, because it would open lots of west coast connections. As IB already flies there from MAD, they could try a 3 weekly when they have new planes in a year or so.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:48 pm

Any idea of where the IB A340 might go instead?
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting Markam (Reply 11):
Any idea of where the IB A340 might go instead?

Back to the lessors.
IB has already returned one A343 to coincide with the cancelling of its flights to Fortaleza and Recife. Another has or is about to be stood down and returned, as flights to Cordoba have been axed. Another A340-300 will lost likely be withdraw from service in a couple of months. Perhaps stopping the 3 x MIA will avoid IB having to affect significantly its core routes from MAD (though there must be the odd reduction, MAD-BOG for one is seeing up to 3 weekly frequencies less).
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:29 pm

On a random note, does anyone know which flight #'s will be the new AA 777-300 from JFK-LHR?
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 12):
Perhaps stopping the 3 x MIA will avoid IB having to affect significantly its core routes from MAD (though there must be the odd reduction, MAD-BOG for one is seeing up to 3 weekly frequencies less).

IB's MAD-LIM service has also lost some frequencies; IB planned on increasing MAD-SCL to 9x weekly, then suddendly axed those plans...
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):
It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...

But it is still more than twice the capacity of last summer, so it's an important increase...

Quoting moek2000 (Reply 13):
On a random note, does anyone know which flight #'s will be the new AA 777-300 from JFK-LHR?

I've read that the first 77W will be ORD-LHR, but it is not confirmed and the plans may change.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 16):
But it is still more than twice the capacity of last summer, so it's an important increase...

If you take into account the service to JFK, the overall BCN-USA capacity on AA/IB will actually be (slightly) lower this summer compared to last:

* 2011: 11/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 3/wk 343 BCN-MIA
* 2012: 7/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 7/wk 763 BCN-MIA
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 17):
* 2011: 11/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 3/wk 343 BCN-MIA
* 2012: 7/wk 763 BCN-JFK + 7/wk 763 BCN-MIA

But if you are looking at the MIA-BCN market, they are increasing capacity, correct? If so, maybe it's the JFK-BCN market that is overserved?

Thoughts?

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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 pm

I guess I'll be taking my own food on board next time I go over to ALC in August. Eastbound I like the transfer at BCN better than MAD, although the last 2 times my parents did it via MAD the domestic sector was on a Nostrum CRK which they said was much better than IBs A32x which have criminal seat pitch if you're not in the first dozen rows or so ... or any row on the Vueling ones out of BCN.

Its a tradeoff : noisy 763 with PTV, generally good FAs and completely inedible food vs. silky smooth & quiet 343 with generally OK food (but getting noticeably worse int he last year or so) but no PTV and occasionally grouchy crew.

Seat comfort about the same on both ... AAs 763are are better than some others in that respect.

AA has been known to offer same day J class upgrades for purchase ex-MAD which I've taken advantage of in the past (and the food was still awful compared to IB J or BA CW). I wonder if they do it TATL ex-MIA?

[Edited 2012-01-21 12:24:11]
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 19):
Its a tradeoff : noisy 763 with PTV, generally good FAs and completely inedible food vs. silky smooth & quiet 343 with generally OK food (but getting noticeably worse int he last year or so) but no PTV and occasionally grouchy crew.

No PTV on AA 763, sorry...
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 20):
No PTV on AA 763, sorry...

Then they must have previously operated the 772 on the MAD route because I flew AA to MAD maybe 3 yrs ago and it had a PTV 100% for sure and I upgraded to J on the way back.

[Edited 2012-01-21 14:24:18]
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 16):
I've read that the first 77W will be ORD-LHR, but it is not confirmed and the plans may change.

I believe you might be right. I read that somewhere as well. BA also operates their new 77W on ORD-LHR, so it may make sense that AA would also put their 77W on that route too.
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 21):
Then they must have previously operated the 772 on the MAD route because I flew AA to MAD maybe 3 yrs ago and it had a PTV 100% for sure (sorry) and I upgraded to J on the way back.

AA did indeed operate AA68/AA69 daily with the B772 a while back. However, it didn't last long on the route.
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):

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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Members here have argued the flight has done horrendously, yet here, a year later, it goes daily.

It goes daily for the summer, with a smaller plane, and AA at the same time reduces capacity in JFK-BCN from 11/wk to 7/wk...



And? Point is despite your entirely unsubstantiated and false claims, the route has done very well for the joint venture. And it's a winter increase as well, as winter will be 5w.
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:52 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
Point is despite your entirely unsubstantiated and false claims

Uh? What did I claim that is entirely unsubstantiated and false? That the 763 is smaller than the 343? Or that AA is removing capacity from JFK-BCN?
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:56 am

Excellent news. We in Miami have been waiting for this.

Now lets keep connecting the dots and bring MIA-MXP online especially since it already is an AA station.
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:31 pm

Flight is bookable as of this morning Jan22....... Cant wait to work it!!!
 
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 20):
No PTV on AA 763, sorry...

I flew a DL 767 from DTW to GRU last week without a PTV, and honestly it really wasn't all that awful. Once AA starts serving free alcohol on board, just take an ambien and you'll do fine  
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:38 am

very interesting, I am sure they will get also a healty connecting traffic to the south american citys!
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:50 am

I feel like this flight was long overdue.

But I spouse AA knows they can make a bigger profit it on it in a year or two once their costs go down.
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RE: AA Launches Daily MIA-BCN Flights

Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:57 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 28):

I flew a DL 767 from DTW to GRU last week without a PTV, and honestly it really wasn't all that awful.

Agreed... But that is kind of a dead argument on this site.
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