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WN/FL Confirm Plans To Maintain Ops At 22 Stations

Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:22 pm

Southwest Airlines and AirTran Airways Confirm Plans to Maintain AirTran Airways Operations at 22 Domestic and International Airports

Seattle to Become First Jointly Served Airport to Fully Combine Operations into Southwest

DALLAS, Jan. 20, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) and its wholly owned subsidiary AirTran Airways confirmed today the intent to convert AirTran Airways operations at 22 domestic and international airports to Southwest operations over time.

The 22 AirTran airports that will continue to operate and will eventually join the Southwest route map include: Flint, Mich. (FNT); Rochester, N.Y. (ROC); Pensacola, Fla. (PNS); Charlotte, N.C. (CLT); Dayton, Ohio (DAY); Richmond, Va. (RIC); Key West, Fla. (EYW); Washington, D.C. (DCA); Memphis, Tenn. (MEM); Akron-Canton, Ohio (CAK); Wichita, Kan. (ICT); Des Moines, Iowa (DSM); Branson, Mo. (BKG); Portland, Maine (PWM); Grand Rapids, Mich. (GRR); Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (PUJ); Cancun, Mexico (CUN); Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ); Aruba (AUA); San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU); Bermuda (BDA); and Nassau, Bahamas (NAS). AirTran service and Employees at these airports are planned to convert to Southwest gradually over the course of AirTran's integration into Southwest. The airlines earlier announced that AirTran will begin serving Mexico City, Mexico (MEX) on May 24, 2012, and San Jose Cabo, Mexico (SJD) on June 3, 2012. Those destinations also will convert to Southwest over ti me. Of the 69 cities AirTran served when Southwest acquired it on May 2, 2011, 53 cities are planned to convert to full Southwest Airlines service.


I find it interesting SEA will be the first city to see the fully integrated Operations.

CLOSING STATIONS--
Effective Aug. 12, 2012, AirTran Airways will cease operations at the following airports: Allentown, Pa. (ABE); Lexington, Ky. (LEX); Harrisburg, Pa. (MDT); Sarasota, Fla. (SRQ); Huntsville, Ala. (HSV); and White Plains, N.Y. (HPN). AirTran currently operates six daily nonstop flights at Sarasota with 16 Employees. Its Allentown (one daily nonstop flight), Lexington (two daily nonstop flights), Harrisburg (one daily nonstop flight), Huntsville (two daily nonstop flights), and White Plains (three daily nonstop flights) operations are all supported by AirTran's contracted vendor partners.

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[Edited 2012-01-20 10:24:25]
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RE: WN/FL Confirm Plans To Maintain Ops At 22 Stations

Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:28 pm

So, a few weeks ago we were "announcing new service" from ATL-LAX... even though FL already operated it. With SEA WN will take over flying ATL-SEA and MKW-SEA... so what determines "announcing new service" and simply "taking over flying"? Is it simply that the networks currently aren't connected so it's NEW service to the respective carrier, but by then we should be connected via codeshare so it's NOT new service?


Does this question even make sense? I'm admittedly having difficulty articulating my point... eeeshk!
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:40 pm

I guess it's good to have a complete list now.

PWM has 2x on PWM-BWI. I wonder how it will get beefed up for 6-8 flights if that happens. Will they all be BWI, or a mix - any ideas? It's just 2 hours from the BOS area airports, and serves an area with under 1 million residents and Maine has another airport. There must have been high existing yields or some other favorable factor.

I suppose MDT being too close to BWI, and over 500 miles from any other focus city, eliminated MDT's possibility even though there are more residents in Central PA not nearer to another airport. RIC survived but I doubt WN will link it to BWI.

Not sure why HSV (which had BWI service) didn't make it.

Detroit and Cleveland will now have 2 area airports each serving the markets.

[Edited 2012-01-20 10:53:01]
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:43 pm

So WN will be at PNS. Interesting (for me)!
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:48 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing to what WN "hubs" most of these FL destinations will get connections to. Mostly interested to see what FL stations will be flown from MDW nonstop. Sad to see SRQ go, FL has flown this from MDW for quite awhile.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 2):
Not sure why HSV (which had BWI service) didn't make it.

Because it doesn't matter that you have BWI if you don't put butts in the seats.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:55 pm

Many people said WN would axe FNT, because there was too much overlap between DTW's and FNT's catchment areas.

I'm glad to see WN felt otherwise. FNT has been served since the ValuJet days, and it's nice to see that WN will maintain a presence there.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:13 pm

CAK was no secret. When they added FL CAK-DEN, the cat was out of the bag there.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:18 pm

And the people of Des Moines have finally, after many years, landed Southwest Airlines!
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:24 pm

So instead of using my RR points to go to scenic and amazing Midland (and Odessa), I can now go to Flint. How nice....
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 9):
So instead of using my RR points to go to scenic and amazing Midland (and Odessa), I can now go to Flint. How nice....

or Punta Cana, Cancun, Montego Bay, Arbua, San Juan, Bermuda or Nassau..... but it was easier to poke fun of Southwest if you used Flint, right?
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 8):

And the people of Des Moines have finally, after many years, landed Southwest Airlines!

I'm anxious to see what they do here. DSM-MKE is obviously not working out for them.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 11):

DSM-MKE is axed
DSM-MDW 3X
DSM-DEN 2X
DSM-PHX 1X
DSM-LAS 1X

Pure speculation
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:53 pm

I'm assuming they are closing SRQ because it is too close to TPA and RSW? That was of the great things about flying FL from MDW to SRQ was the direct flight and no hassle. That route will be missed 
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting evanbu (Reply 12):
DSM-DEN 2X

If that happens, I have a feeling Frontier's days are numbered here. Southwest has way more brand recognition in DSM despite F9's presence over the last couple years and WN only serving OMA and MCI. Honestly prefer Frontier over Southwest. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting PI767 (Reply 10):
but it was easier to poke fun of Southwest if you used Flint, right?

Of course. 
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 5):
Because it doesn't matter that you have BWI if you don't put butts in the seats.

I used them a few times. Very few of the seats did not have butts in them. Whether or not those butts were paying enough money to sit there I can't say.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:23 pm

Good to see that key west stays
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
CLOSING STATIONS--
Effective Aug. 12, 2012, AirTran Airways will cease operations at the following airports: Huntsville, Ala. (HSV);

..just a random guess here but I bet the fares on DL for HSV-ATL from August 13, 2012 are a lot higher than they were on August 11, 2012.   Personal experience of WN pulling out of SLC-BOI gives me a clue here.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 18):


HSV-BWI one way
8/10: $99 on Delta.
8/13: $187

[Edited 2012-01-20 12:35:01]
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:36 pm

So no:

Allentown, Westchester County, Harrisburg, Charleston WV, Lexington, Knoxville, Huntsville, Sarasota (surprising), Miami, Bloomington.

Of those the only one I'm surprised by is Sarasota.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Of those the only one I'm surprised by is Sarasota.

Sarasota shouldn't be that surprising since it's probably the most seasonal of all the Florida markets. I was surprised when WN added RSW.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:07 pm

Of the cities listed that are being kept I'm surprised at Branson, Mo. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that yet....
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 22):
Of the cities listed that are being kept I'm surprised at Branson, Mo. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that yet....

Oddly it fits.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):

It's paid for by the airport, is it not?
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 16):
I used them a few times. Very few of the seats did not have butts in them. Whether or not those butts were paying enough money to sit there I can't say.

I'm sure thats the case occasionally on every route, no matter how bad it's actually doing.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 24):
It's paid for by the airport, is it not?

Branson is airport/community subsidy + exclusive rights to routes (the joy of being a private airport)
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:00 pm

I'm not happy about them dropping SRQ. Was looking forward to the convenience of flying out of SRQ on WN instead of driving to TPA. I love TPA, but the extra hour drive can be a pain. Plus, the direct flights to/from MDW were a big hit here, and had decent occupancy.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 6):
Many people said WN would axe FNT

I was one of them! I couldn't and I still can't believe WN is keeping it! I'm floored. Guess I was wrong.

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 22):
Of the cities listed that are being kept I'm surprised at Branson, Mo. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that yet....

I think WN was looking to serve Branson, even before the FL aquisition, because Branson was offering subsidies like ECP did. No surprise WN is keeping it. Same goes for ICT.
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:21 pm

According to this article, FL was responsible for 32% of the passenger load at SRQ (second largest behind DL), and carried 365,000 passengers last year. Not going to be good for this airport...

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...-out-of-Sarasota-Bradenton-airport
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 6):
Many people said WN would axe FNT, because there was too much overlap between DTW's and FNT's catchment areas.

This is really interesting. Not only does WN retain FNT, but also GRR. Fantastic from a GRR perspective, as the fares there were always priced at a premium assuming the cheap seats would drive to MDW or DTW. Now the center of the state, western Michigan and the UP get reasonable service. Excellent.

[Edited 2012-01-20 14:35:54]

[Edited 2012-01-20 14:36:06]
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:48 pm

Whew...glad to see PNS survives. Curious to see what happens with ECP? I'm also curious to see if WN will keep ATL or drop it and connect PNS to other hubs. I imagine long-term this could mean a few new flights for PNS.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Whew...glad to see PNS survives. Curious to see what happens with ECP? I'm also curious to see if WN will keep ATL or drop it and connect PNS to other hubs. I imagine long-term this could mean a few new flights for PNS.

My bet is that once the terms of the agreement with St. Joe are satisfied, WN will consolidate to PNS. Great for me, as my parents live in the PNS area!
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:53 pm

After looking at the current Airtran route map, it will be interesting to see what adjustments are made for GRR and FNT. The current system is understandably built around ATL, but that doesn't really work for a nationwide E-W system. I could see MDW and DTW flights extended to both cities - especially if they had DAL, PHX or DEN stops.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:58 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 31):
My bet is that once the terms of the agreement with St. Joe are satisfied, WN will consolidate to PNS. Great for me, as my parents live in the PNS area!

That wouldn't surprise me. Long-term PNS offers a larger catchment area and more business traffic. And just to seal the deal, I know PNS has been willing to kick in some subsidies to help WN out.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 31):

I agree whole Heartedly.
 
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:31 pm

Not surprised that ROC is staying. The local paper has reported repeatedly over the years that the station performs well for AirTran. Given AirTran's well-known willingness to cut stations that don't make money, that was a good sign.

My guess is that a year after integration, ROC will probably consist of : 4x BWI, 2x MDW, 1x MCO, 1x TPA, and probably 1x RSW or FLL. If WN does reduce ATL to a focus city consisting of high frequencies to major business centers, ROC-ATL at only 2x may not survive.

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RE: WN/FL Confirm Plans To Maintain Ops At 22 Stations

Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 35):
Not surprised that ROC is staying. The local paper has reported repeatedly over the years that the station performs well for AirTran. Given AirTran's well-known willingness to cut stations that don't make money, that was a good sign.

My guess is that a year after integration, ROC will probably consist of : 4x BWI, 2x MDW, 1x MCO, 1x TPA, and probably 1x RSW or FLL. If WN does reduce ATL to a focus city consisting of high frequencies to major business centers, ROC-ATL at only 2x may not survive.

I saw it too on ROC's facebook page.

http://www.monroecounty.gov/?q=node/7151

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RE: WN/FL Confirm Plans To Maintain Ops At 22 Stations

Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 32):
After looking at the current Airtran route map, it will be interesting to see what adjustments are made for GRR and FNT. The current system is understandably built around ATL, but that doesn't really work for a nationwide E-W system. I could see MDW and DTW flights extended to both cities - especially if they had DAL, PHX or DEN stops.

I see GRR to BWI (2-3X), MDW (3x), MCO (1x) and maybe DEN (2x)
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:08 am

I'm really sad to see them leaving HPN. There is B6 service to Florida, but you can't connect to anyplace midwest, south, or west coast now on an LCC now.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):

Well, FL did just fine here, THANK you !
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 2):
PWM has 2x on PWM-BWI. I wonder how it will get beefed up for 6-8 flights if that happens.

No that's way way too many. More like 4 tops. Plus MCO and add 2 new MDW flights.

I am surprised SRQ is closing but it is close to TPA. Also from all I have seen FNT was much less profitable than BMI, but FNT must have a better catchment area

Quoting evanbu (Reply 12):
DSM-MKE is axed
DSM-MDW 3X
DSM-DEN 2X
DSM-PHX 1X
DSM-LAS 1X

Ditto

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 37):
I see GRR to BWI (2-3X), MDW (3x), MCO (1x) and maybe DEN (2x)

MDW is interesting. It is only 110 miles, so it shouldnt be served, but there is such a large number of connecting opportunities in MDW, that is does make sense. If GRR was 225 miles away or more MDW would be a no-brainer.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:17 am

Wow these mergers really are benefitting the consumer, you lost my business WN!
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 40):
MDW is interesting. It is only 110 miles, so it shouldnt be served, but there is such a large number of connecting opportunities in MDW, that is does make sense. If GRR was 225 miles away or more MDW would be a no-brainer.

110 air miles, but 180 not so great road miles and 3 or more vehicle windshield hours. Winter season is yet a whole different scenario with often heavy lake effect snow along most of the route.
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:57 am

I am ecstatic to hear that both DSM and ICT will gain WN service! Both markets could desperately use the reduced fares and service, and having moved to ICT from DSM I will (hopefully) have an alternative method of returning home even if it does require a layover in DEN, or MDW, or potentially even STL.
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:31 am

cant say I'm surprised, with WN working to get their foot in the door at EWR and LGA.
Shame though, I would assume the FL flights were profitable, and it was nice having another non-rj service airline.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:54 am

They drop a station with 6 flights a day in the off season and 10 a day in season that according to AirTran are very profitable. Yet they keep numerous stations with 2-3 flights a day. DAMN IT!!
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 14):

If that happens, I have a feeling Frontier's days are numbered here. Southwest has way more brand recognition in DSM despite F9's presence over the last couple years and WN only serving OMA and MCI. Honestly prefer Frontier over Southwest. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Maybe F9 could move over to CID, we could use a low fare network airline.

Interesting also that DSM is keeping SWA, will be interesting to see how the affects OMA and also G4. If SWA flies to LAS from DSM Im not sure that G4 will compete, but G4 does have good name brand recognition there after many years.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Whew...glad to see PNS survives. Curious to see what happens with ECP? I'm also curious to see if WN will keep ATL or drop it and connect PNS to other hubs. I imagine long-term this could mean a few new flights for PNS.

whats interesting here is that PNS was luring SWA at the time they decided to go to ECP. PNS is a good choice for SWA, offers a good mix of business travelers, the government with the Naval and AirForce bases (In Ft Walton) and leisure travel...Ft Walton, Destin, Pensacola Beach and Perdido Key FL and Orange Beach and Gulf Shores AL
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:01 am

I am pleasantly surprised that my hometown airport CAK is sticking around. FL has a great history with the airport, but I just KNEW the bean counters would have their way. Very excited to see if/what WN does there.
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:05 am

I have a feeling because WN will maintain operations in FNT, expect my regional airport MBS to either shut down or be barely surviving as a commercial airport.
FNT, as I discussed elsewhere, is becoming to LAN and MBS what Wal-Mart is to major retail and local businesses (not a positive thing AT ALL).
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 2):
Not sure why HSV (which had BWI service) didn't make it

I'm guessing this is because from HSV to BHM its only about an hour drive. and HSV to ATL is only about 2 or 3 hours by car.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 3):
So WN will be at PNS. Interesting (for me)!

Very happy about this. PNS is closer to me than ECP.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Curious to see what happens with ECP?

I'm hoping they keep this. PNS is closer to me (only 45mins) but ECP is only 75mins so having the option for both airports would be great!
The sky is my limit