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1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:22 pm

Hi A.netters

According to ANA this morning was the first commercial landing of the Dreamliner in FRA!! Till now I didn't find any news about this on various sites!!!

Does anybody have some pics and information about this lovely ac?

Thanks!
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:26 pm

This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:27 pm

I thought the original plan was to start flights in February, but sure enough, it looks like that was moved forward to 20 January.

Congrats.   
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Thread starter):

I have seen a couple of pictures of friends on facebook from the landing and the departure. But nothing official yet.

It arrived early in the morning in pretty rainy weather... And it departed already again.

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Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:09 pm

Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4):
Astonishing that it is fitted with less seats than a 737! They must be predicting huge yields on this route

Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:35 pm

This is taken from the ANA web site for help;

* Frankfurt-Haneda will be operated initially 3 times a week (Mon, Thu & Sat) with Boeing 787 from 21 Jan. 2012. From 1 Feb., daily operation is scheduled with Boeing 787 on odd number days and Boeing 777 on even number days. Please check the operation schedule on ANA Sky Web. Operation days and aircraft are subject to change without notice

http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/eur_common/e/787connection/index.html


and this was issued last month in regards to 787 role outs,

ANA Group amend the Boeing 787 international flight plans

Boeing announced that the new aircraft Boeing 787 will not be delivered to ANA Group as scheduled due to productivity reason.

ANA regrets to take the precaution of amending international flight plans.

ANA will continue urgent negotiations with Boeing to deliver the 787 as early and as close to the original schedule as possible. ANA extends sincere apologies for the inconvenience this will cause to customers and appreciate their understanding and patience.


(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt

(1)Tokyo/Haneda=Beijing
· January 14th, 17th, 18th, 2012(B787 Operation)
* originally scheduled to start 787 service from December

(2)Tokyo/Haneda=Frankfurt
· From January 21st to January 31st, 2012
(B787 Operation : January 21st, 23rd, 26th, 28th, 30th, 2012)
* as originally scheduled

· From February 1st to February 29th, 2012(B787 & B777-200ER Operation)
(B787 Operation : February 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 21st, 23rd, 25th, 27th, 29th, 2012)
* originally scheduled to start 787 daily service
* Except above flights are operated with B777-200ER

· From March 1st, 2012(B787 Operation)
(B787 Operation : daily service)
* this will be confirmed after the delivery schedule is fixed

http://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice111215/index_e.html
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:03 pm

Thank you all for your info and inputs!!

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
I have seen a couple of pictures of friends on facebook from the landing and the departure. But nothing official yet.

It arrived early in the morning in pretty rainy weather... And it departed already again.

Planned actually to go to FRA with a good friend and make the photos when the 787 arrives!!! For a work reason it didn't work out and really a pity!!!

So there are no photos available or a link with a video?
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:21 pm

Congratulations to everyone involved. This is a milestone as this was the first commercial long haul commercial flight by the Dreamliner. The future of flight is here.

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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:36 pm

She's on her way back to Haneda as we speak, watching it on Flightradar24 now!

http://www.flightradar24.com/ANA204
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting HighlandExpress (Reply 9):
She's on her way back to Haneda as we speak, watching it on Flightradar24 now!

http://www.flightradar24.com/ANA204

allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

here: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=246293

[Edited 2012-01-21 12:03:15]
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.

By my calculations, B788 ends up with a 12% lower GSM(gallon seat mile) and 16% lower GTM(gallon ton mile) than B77W in the above ANA configuration on a 5,200nm trip(Tokyo-FRA). The cabin layouts may not be directly comparable and therefore the revenue side of the analysis may end up showing that B77W is a better aircraft on a dense route.

The above GSM and GTM numbers on a 5,200nm trip do not change much when I compare the B788 to B77W at marketing seat counts. For reference, A332 HGW has a 4% higher GSM than B77W on the same mission at marketing seat numbers.

B788 when fully mature should have the range of B77W. B787/A359 will certainly help in further fragmentation.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 10):
allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

here: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviatio...46293

Simply wonderful...... Thank you for the link!!!!!   

Hope that will see more and there might be soon something on youtube....
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Their "Inspiration of Japan" 777-300ERs seat as few as 215. So it looks like NH has identified how many people will always fly them and are willing to pay a premium to do so.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
This is supposed to be ANA's premuin international configured 787 with only 146 seats, and J class with 1-2-1 seating.


Agreed this is amazing. However, I've heard, from a source that would not know, that there are routes where the freight alone breaks even and that NRT is often one of the city pairs. If so, could this, in part explain their strategy?
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:37 pm

The 787 looks so good! Glad to see it in Europe so fast!

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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting LH7879 (Reply 10):
allright, the picture shown there is from FRA today!!

Looks fantastic! Congratulations to ANA and Boeing!

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
that there are routes where the freight alone breaks even

Perhaps that's one reason why some carriers are extremely excited to incorporate this specific a/c into their respective fleets.  
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:08 pm

I just love those lines in profile a petite lady of the sky, I wish SAS would get some 787-8s as the size fits ARN passenger volumes. I am sure it will be a usual sight in FRA over time and other hubs.
 
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting Hacku (Reply 16):
Pics!

That 2nd pic is great... you can't even see the fan blades spinning.  
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting Hacku (Reply 16):

Pics!

Simply wonderful and thank you for adding.... great to see 787 touching down on European Ground!!!!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32090718@N05/6738387341/in/photostream/

Two A380 Tails (one from SQ that is on the flight SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN route since a couple of days and a LH 744) But the 787 is just awesome really!!!!!!   
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:34 pm

This morning I was in FRA to take the morning Malev flight to BUD and was competely unprepared when I passed the NH checkin counter. a few desks were specially cut off for press. Next to them there were the regular check in counters with quite regular passengers as it seemed to me. Not sure if they were aware that this would be a special flight. They all got some kind of diploma and an ANA bag with probably souvenir. I overheard ANA staff talking about being ready to bring the second journalist group etc... Quite some airport security around as well...
Unfortunately my MA flight left before I could see the 787 land.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:51 pm

I happened to be passing by Frankfurt today and saw the plane:



(Sorry for the bad quality photo from the insides of a bus etc.)

I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 23):
I wondered about the fire truck, if the plane had a problem, but did not guess that it must have been part of the water cannon salute. Nice looking plane!

I guess the guys from the fire brigade wanted to take a look as well 

Looks nice. Looking forward to seeing it in FRA more often now.

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Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:30 am

I looked at getting a Y ticket on the 788 for my trip to Europe. Could book on the LH codeshare side for around 4000 euros, but was about 7000 Euros to book with NH - Four months out...
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:59 am

I wonder if we'll be fortunate enough to get a trip report out of the flight?

Any interviews by passengers per chance??
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 24):

I wonder if we'll be fortunate enough to get a trip report out of the flight?

Any interviews by passengers per chance??


Wasn't Madame Concorde supposed to be on this flight?

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Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:48 am

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 7):
Planned actually to go to FRA with a good friend and make the photos when the 787 arrives!!! For a work reason it didn't work out and really a pity!!!

So there are no photos available or a link with a video?

I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C. It wouldn't have helped having a camera as it was still dark when it landed.

Just a reshaped 767 really :-P  
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 26):
I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C. It wouldn't have helped having a camera as it was still dark when it landed.

Even it would be dark for photos or maybe filming I think that it's historic enough to say "I was there when it arrived"!!!  
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 24):

I wonder if we'll be fortunate enough to get a trip report out of the flight?
Any interviews by passengers per chance??

I still didn't find anything about this online!!! Find this little odd as it's a milestone not only for Boeing and ANA but the first commercial flight and simply nothing. Even on aero.de (that are really fast) there simply nothing on the headlines!!!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:30 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 3):
It arrived early in the morning in pretty rainy weather... And it departed already again.

I was on board the first 787 long haul flight to Frankfurt which was considered by ANA as the true inaugural flight for the new aircraf type. All in all an excellent flying experience.

Sleepless over Siberia and through the whole flight, all near to perfect from point to point. On board service was near to perfection. Even without sleep and connecting from a Japanese domestic flight I did not feel tired when arriving in Frankfurt.

The very best part was deplaning from a remote stand at 5.00 AM which allowed us to get pictures of the aircraft under flood lights. I was the last passenger to leave the aircraft and go down the steps to the bus.

The reception at FRA for those leaving back to Haneda was really nice - better than the one at HND where they had no food feast.

FRAport did a really nice job the food feast was incredible. I did not food feast as I had a gigantic breakfast in the B pier new Senator Lounge. A few passengers did the round trip and went back on the plane to HND.

I have got heaps of pictures. A trip report is in the plans.
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:20 am

Which runway did it use at FRA?
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
I was on board the first 787 long haul flight to Frankfurt

I envy you but I guess you had a time of your life on the 787!!!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
Even without sleep and connecting from a Japanese domestic flight I did not feel tired when arriving in Frankfurt.

Did you notice a difference from the first A380 flight (or other's) that there was a change from the cabin pressure?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
I have got heaps of pictures. A trip report is in the plans.

Will be very happy to read your TR and photos that you will share with us!

Thank's
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:58 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 29):
Which runway did it use at FRA?
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 26):
I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):

Congrats. I hope you enjoyed the flight and it was a special experience. The 787 lanyard can be sold on ebay for quite some money   Or you simply keep it as a good memory.

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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:06 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 29):
Which runway did it use at FRA?
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 26):
I was there, and it landed at 0501 on RWY 25C. It wouldn't have helped having a camera as it was still dark when it landed.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
I have got heaps of pictures. A trip report is in the plans.

Yes please!


I was going to get up and watch the departure, but I had a look at the weather outside and thought to myself that FRA would be in fog and rain all day, like the last couple of days, so I missed out...

BTW, is the LH parking deck still the best place to spot, now that A+ is right in front of it?
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:25 am

One could expect that the first landing of one of the most modern and quiet airliners makes news in the local metro area press. I could not find a single report unfortunately. Once again, good news seem to be no news, not worth reporting.

The weekly protest of NIMBYs, shepherded into T1 by Airport security is dull and repeating but hits the news each Tuesday.
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 33):

One could expect that the first landing of one of the most modern and quiet airliners makes news in the local metro area press. I could not find a single report unfortunately. Once again, good news seem to be no news, not worth reporting.

I'm very much surprised about this also!!! even on FrankfurtAllgemeineZeitung www.faz.de there is nothing mentioned!!! Maybe after a couple of landings (tomorrow MON is the 2nd) there will be something in the media!!!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:38 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 33):
One could expect that the first landing of one of the most modern and quiet airliners makes news in the local metro area press. I could not find a single report unfortunately. Once again, good news seem to be no news, not worth reporting.

If it had been a nauseatingly monotonous whinging whine about noise it would have featured in the news...!!! Perhaps nobody heard it, and so it wasn't going to help the nfv petition?

Now der spiegel is saying that nwlandebahn is being used 'too much'....

I digress though.

I was surprised it was parked at a remote stand though... but offers snapshot oppos for the pax disembarking though... Glad it landed 25C as I was in the terminal to watch it - weather outside wasn't nice at all...
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 35):
Now der spiegel is saying that nwlandebahn is being used 'too much'....

The media also says that the center runway is not used at all any more. there's so much BS in the media by ill infoirmed people, it is disgusting.

They probably parked the 787 on a remote stand as they did not have time to practise at a gate position. Later in day light it was obviously towed to a gate position.
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:46 am

The 787 really does not capture the general publics imagination because it looks like any other plane really. The 388 captured the imagination of the media and the public because of it's size.

The 787 is just another plane in most peoples minds.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:20 am

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 30):
I envy you but I guess you had a time of your life on the 787!!!

I like being on board the true inaugural flights. Try a new aircraft type and bring home memories and a goodie bag.
I can't say I had the time of my life. Only Concorde afforded me the time of my life. I only love Concorde. All other aircrafts are sort of the same, all slow subsonics. I must say the 787 is different as it is an all carbon-fiber aircraft.

I even wondered if the "plastic plane" was able to fly and if it would fly us all the way without any hiccups.

I must say ANA flight deck crew did a really good job with their aircraft. We stayed at 40,000ft almost to the end and then started a steep descent on to FRA. We did a few turns and rounds over the area before landing. Maybe it was too early to land. I don't know.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 30):
Did you notice a difference from the first A380 flight (or other's) that there was a change from the cabin pressure?

Yes. I was in a window seat 23A last row of the 3 rows mini whY class cabin. I had the engine really close. The 787 Dreamliner is definitely noisy-er than the whalejet. Strange how the engines "scream" on start-up, sort of like sirens. This was a surprise when leaving the gate at Haneda.

Cabin comfort is excellent. Even sitting in whYclass they made it quite comfortable. I like how the new seats recline without moving the shell.

The overhead bins are huge. The self tint windows are another novelty although the cabin crew can darken the windows at will and then passengers cannot do anything with the system. The windows were blackened all through the flight, a total bummer as I could not see the wing during flight and no stars either.

The blue lavs (I named them the "blue room") all fitted with self cleaning toilets even the toilet seat remains clean. I think this is a wonderful idea. I took pictures of everything possible on the new plane in all two classes from one end to the other so I am sure there's some of that too.
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Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 30):
Will be very happy to read your TR and photos that you will share with us!

Give me a bit of time. I will work on some of it today. I have urgent things to take care of as I had a break-in during the time I was away. Nothing stolen but they made a mess and broke the metallic curtain and balcony window lock. Some furniture was moved.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 31):
The 787 lanyard can be sold on ebay for quite some money

Not selling this one for sure. I have got some nice goodies from the Frankfurt gate reception I can sell on fleabay including a couple of really nice unused saké wooden boxes and gate reception invites for the press. They had heaps of those so I asked for extras and was given a number of them.

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 35):
I was surprised it was parked at a remote stand

I love remote stands they are my joy every time especially when they happen on inaugurals and I must say the night remote parking with the flood lights was a special treat. I expected to see more people taking pictures. Only those who looked like they would belong to the Press with their big cameras were taking photos and a few passengers.

Most passengers on the flight were Japanese. Many of them did not fly specially for the 787. They just chanced on the inaugural flight. A lot of people just book flights to go from point A to point B. This was no fleabay sale like the HKG return flight that cost the two fleabay winners a real fortune. Gino Bertuccio paid 32,000 US Dollars for his package ticket to HKG with the domestic Business seat configuration. He was one of the Suites flyers on several Singapore 380 inaugurals including London.

    Wow!

I was surprised that there was no FlyerTalkers or Anetters on the HND-FRA first 787 inaugural. Seats went relatively cheap unless like myself you added a Japanese domestic flight which can add quite a bit to your return ticket.

The Lufthansa 346 FRA-NRT flight in whY class was a true disgrace from the lack of comfort point of view.

 

It made the 787 Dreamliner look like paradise on the return flight.

Got to see JA801 the first ANA 787 parked at a gate while waiting for my flight to Yonago. That is one really pretty aircraft and it has the rainbow colours in Economy which I would have liked to see. Can't have everything. The International configured 787 was good enough I must say. The Staggered Business seats look really great especially the ones in the very first mini cabin which could very easily grade for First Class.

No access was allowed to the flight deck after the flight. Security is one big thing with ANA. It was much easier to see the flight deck on the 380 flights. Got treated to a great visit by Air France on the first CDG-LHR return as one of the pursers remembered me from one of the last AF Concorde flights.

Never mind. I will try my chance for a flight deck visit during the Farnborough Air Show. I am sure a BA Concorde pilot or two will be able to help.

     
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 37):
The 787 really does not capture the general publics imagination because it looks like any other plane really. The 388 captured the imagination of the media and the public because of it's size.

The 787 is just another plane in most peoples minds.

True but Boeing already WOW'ed the world in the 70's with the 747. Now it is all about being practical and selling planes that will revolutionize air travel. I think 787 will be that game changer..

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Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 38):
The self tint windows are another novelty although the cabin crew can darken the windows at will and then passengers cannot do anything with the system. The windows were blackened all through the flight, a total bummer as I could not see the wing during flight and no stars either.

That would absolutely RUIN the flight for me, no matter how many onboard amenities were available.
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:21 am

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 39):
I think 787 will be that game changer..

Just out of interest, why?

What will it

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 39):
revolutionize

?
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 27):
Even on aero.de (that are really fast) there simply nothing on the headlines!!!

Now it's there:
http://www.aero.de/news-14311/ANA5.html
 
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 11):
By my calculations, B788 ends up with a 12% lower GSM(gallon seat mile) and 16% lower GTM(gallon ton mile) than B77W in the above ANA configuration on a 5,200nm trip(Tokyo-FRA). The cabin layouts may not be directly comparable and therefore the revenue side of the analysis may end up showing that B77W is a better aircraft on a dense route.

According to PIANO X based on a 123t DOW and 14.6t payload the block fuel used was 48.196t. Is this close to your calculation?
 
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:32 pm

And now on Spiegel online. Some nice pics.

http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,810791,00.html
 
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RE: 1st ANA 787 Commercial Landing In FRA 21-01-12

Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 44):
And now on Spiegel online. Some nice pics.

When the gate party was done and they had finished the boarding procedure at the gate, they offered to take the press and guests on busses to the runway after the aircraft had left the gate and was showered by the fire trucks.

I could have gone too if only for my connecting flight. At least I got to see the ANA 787 that took me to Frankfurt on this really nice inaugural long haul flight leaving the gate and taxiing to the runway. I had to go my own way and race to another gate in another terminal going through security. It was much too late to see them off the ground back to Haneda.
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