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How is the New Service To SJU by BA and DE doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:14 am

I was wondering if anyone knew how the new service to SJU by BA and Condor was doing? Also, how is the VIrgin Atlantic charter doing?

Lastly, I have read that the PR Port Authority has been trying to get more airlines to serve the island, especially from Latin America. Anyone have new developments on this?

Thanks!
 
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How is the New Service To SJU by BA and DE doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting b757pilot (Thread starter):
Lastly, I have read that the PR Port Authority has been trying to get more airlines to serve the island, especially from Latin America. Anyone have new developments on this?

Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that as visitors from Latin American countries would require a visa issued by the USA, and the visa system is horribly broken - waits of months (and even years) are not uncommon, not to mention the usual indignities that applicants have to suffer at U.S. embassies during the visa interview (being treated like criminals and less than human by visa officers).

All these things will likely cause any attempt at drawing Latin American visitors to Puerto Rico to fail.
 
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How is the New Service To SJU by BA and DE doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that as visitors from Latin American countries would require a visa issued by the USA, and the visa system is horribly broken - waits of months (and even years) are not uncommon, not to mention the usual indignities that applicants have to suffer at U.S. embassies during the visa interview (being treated like criminals and less than human by visa officers).

All these things will likely cause any attempt at drawing Latin American visitors to Puerto Rico to fail.

I don't know whether the situation is quite as dire as you describe, but Puerto Rico should think about instituting a milder access policy, similar to what they do on Guam to stimulate tourism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Wa...ariana_Islands_Visa_Waiver_Program
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How is the New Service To SJU by BA and DE doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that as visitors from Latin American countries would require a visa issued by the USA, and the visa system is horribly broken - waits of months (and even years) are not uncommon, not to mention the usual indignities that applicants have to suffer at U.S. embassies during the visa interview (being treated like criminals and less than human by visa officers).

All these things will likely cause any attempt at drawing Latin American visitors to Puerto Rico to fail.

I don't know whether the situation is quite as dire as you describe, but Puerto Rico should think about instituting a milder access policy, similar to what they do on Guam to stimulate tourism:

Nope, it really is awful. Really. If I recall, the DHS is still working on cases from the 1980s that are just now being processed.
 
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How is the New Service To SJU by BA and DE doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):

the thing is: SJU is more "national territory" than guan or marianas, you won't need to go through customs or immigration again once you fly SJU JFK for example, they'd lose more if they changed that.... due to humans/drugs trafficking etc etc.... Puerto Rico is a known route in the caribbean for that...
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that as visitors from Latin American countries would require a visa issued by the USA, and the visa system is horribly broken - waits of months (and even years) are not uncommon, not to mention the usual indignities that applicants have to suffer at U.S. embassies during the visa interview (being treated like criminals and less than human by visa officers).

However, Mr. Obama announced a few days ago that changes are going to be made to streamline issuance of visas, focusing initially on China and Brazil which are among the fastest-growing sources of U.S. visitors.
http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...rists-to-get-visas/?xid=gonewsedit

[Edited 2012-01-22 11:27:14]
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
However, Mr. Obama announced a few days ago that changes are going to be made to streamline issuance of visas, focusing initially on China and Brazil which are among the fastest-growing sources of U.S. visitors.

Forget it, the end result will be no improvement. The way the Congress wrote the Immigration Law (which was then interpreted by the bureaucrats and put into regulations), the visa officer at the embassy conducting the interview has the sole discretion as to whether or not to grant the visa.

The President can't "rewrite" or "reinterpret" the law, nor can anyone put pressure on the visa officers. Not the President, not a U.S. Senator, not a lawyer and certainly not a member of the public who actually pays the salaries of these sadistic individuals.

Typically, they'll do a "soft denial" by putting the poor applicant into something they call "Administrative Processing" and sending them away with a stern warning of "don't contact us, we'll contact you" and then it becomes a game of running out the clock with the hope (by the visa officer) that the applicant will just give up after a year or two of being in "Administrative Processing."
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that as visitors from Latin American countries would require a visa issued by the USA, and the visa system is horribly broken - waits of months (and even years) are not uncommon, not to mention the usual indignities that applicants have to suffer at U.S. embassies during the visa interview (being treated like criminals and less than human by visa officers).

well maybe the Visa system is not the best but I can not complain about any treatment to my Colombian wife who requested a US visa some 10 months ago in Lima / Peru. She received the embassy apointment within 1 week
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:18 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
She received the embassy apointment within 1 week

How long did it take for her to get the visa after the appointment?
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
How long did it take for her to get the visa after the appointment?

well the Visa was approved during the interview, and the passport was back 1 week later.
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:22 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
well the Visa was approved during the interview, and the passport was back 1 week later.

Wow. Definitely NOT typical. But congratulations on your good luck!
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:16 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
The President can't "rewrite" or "reinterpret" the law, nor can anyone put pressure on the visa officers. Not the President, not a U.S. Senator, not a lawyer and certainly not a member of the public who actually pays the salaries of these sadistic individuals.

Well, not the President alone, no, but Congress could change the law if there was a majority for such a change. I cannot see that happening in the current political climate in Washington though.
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:04 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):
but Congress could change the law if there was a majority for such a change.

I can imagine this too, in politics everything stands and falls with getting the majority votes  

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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:23 pm

BA has attempted success in Puerto Rico several times. Simply there is no market there. Puerto Rico is an expensive place to go on vacation, the all-inclusive concept that Europeans love is not offered in Puerto Rico. Condor also flew to SJU years ago even when LH had scheduled flights to Puerto Rico. I cannot imagine DE succeeding either, the economy of Puerto Rico is awful.
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 am

I can't imagine BA and DE doing so hot in SJU, as mentioned above by PRAirbus tourism in Puerto Rico is very expensive when compared to the competition (Jamaica, DR, Cuba, Mexican Riviera etc. etc.). I am assuming these two carriers are bringing cruise ship passengers to San Juan but I doubt very little of them are staying on the island. Add to this a dramatic rise in crime and very little knowledge regarding Puerto Rico in the rest of the world and you get very few tourist visiting the island (outside of Americans).

Iberia serves the island and "thrives" on the route because there are historical ties btw the island and Spain, but beyond Spain it is a struggle. I doubt Iberia were ever to drop the route because they see a need to fly to almost every ex-Spanish colony in the Americas, as to the routes performance I have no clue. The current and past governments of the island have no clue how to market the island outside of the US so I don't see more international visitors/carriers landing in San Juan.. Unfortunately I see SJU in a downward spiral with no improvement in the foreseeable future.

Regards,

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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 14):
I am assuming these two carriers are bringing cruise ship passengers to San Juan but I doubt very little of them are staying on the island.

Yes, cruise ship pax are very important for both carriers' flights.
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:21 pm

Curious as to why BA is there in first place when they can easily funnel passengers via MAD on IB.
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):

I got my visa also after 1 week I was interviewed! I think you're talking about Immigrant visas, these ones can take years!
 
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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
Curious as to why BA is there in first place when they can easily funnel passengers via MAD on IB.

As flyingalex said, the majority (if not all) are cruise ship passengers so the flights are probably arranged flights by tour operators in the U.K. (and Germany for that matter).

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RE: How Is The New Service To SJU By BA And DE Doing?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:03 pm

With the BA flight being an add-on to their LGW-ANU service two days a week it would be very difficult to determine independently whether the service was successful or not.

It could be highly successful if it carried few if any passengers but the freight hold was full or nearly full. Is this possible? Certainly. On 26 February 2010 G-GSSA, a 744F then oprated by GSS exclusively on behalf of BA World Cargo was reported at SJU. So the idea of the LGW-ANU-SJU-ANU-LGW service operating with a full freight hold with most bound for or originating from SJU is not that fanciful.

On the other hand if the 26 February report was a special one-off, even if the passenger cabin of the LGW-ANU service when the flight has its SJU add-on is now regularly more than half full with passengers travelling to and from SJU, those passengers may have been tempted by fares that make the yields so low that at best the service could be described as a failure.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
Curious as to why BA is there in first place when they can easily funnel passengers

If it did not operate the add-on to SJU the aircraft would be unproductively sitting on the ground at ANU waiting for the return flight to LGW. Assuming that there is sufficient freight or the passenger yield is good enough, the add-on would clearly be the better option for BA, Note here that BA2157 operates 6 days a week LGW-ANU. The add-on to SJU operates twice a week. On two days there is an add-on to PUJ. On the other two days the add on is to SKB.